Renouncing British Citizenship to use EEA FP route

[Angie D]

Aw, thanks Clive!

[Angie D]

Hi Clive, gonna do the FPs this weekend. Couple of questions regarding form.
Accommodation:
Do I have to fill this part?
How many bedrooms
Who owned property (that will be me)
EEA nationals current finances and employment:
Monthly income after tax
Savings
Income from other sourced
How much is given from income to family
How much spent on living costs
Was under the impression the financial questions were not relevant to EEA national exercising treaty rights?

[chaoclive]

Hi Clive, gonna do the FPs this weekend. Couple of questions regarding form.
Accommodation:
Do I have to fill this part?
How many bedrooms
Who owned property (that will be me)
EEA nationals current finances and employment:
Monthly income after tax
Savings
Income from other sourced
How much is given from income to family
How much spent on living costs
Was under the impression the financial questions were not relevant to EEA national exercising treaty rights?

Hiya; I didn't fill in any of these parts for my partner's FP. Not sure if the form has changed since we applied in May or June time. I was able to put "n/a" in most of the places. If they're figures I think I put "00000" (can't remember to be honest).

You don't need to prove accommodation or savings but since they will be staying with you anyway, you might want to write a letter stating that they can stay with you. That wouldn't do any harm.

Are they applying for the visa to 'join' or 'accompany'? This will affect the evidence you need to provide. Make sure you're clear about that

[Angie D]

It will be accompany as my Son and I will fly out and bring them back!

[Angie D]

Clive, now son his Irish and applying for FP for his family, will he need to apply for PR for himself also once they are here?

[Angie D]

Sorry Clive, I meant 5 year residence card!

[chaoclive]

Sorry Clive, I meant 5 year residence card!

He doesn't need to apply for anything. However, I applied for eea1 registration cert as that means they validate your employment in advance of the eea2 RC application. That should speed things up (in theory). My eea1 took 29 days.

It's not essential though.

[Angie D]

Cheers, thanks!

[Angie D]

Hi Clive, so here we go then! Daughter in law picks up FP decision tomorrow morning! Took 3 days for a decision!! Nervous is an understatement!

[chaoclive]

Hi Clive, so here we go then! Daughter in law picks up FP decision tomorrow morning! Took 3 days for a decision!! Nervous is an understatement!

Hehe. It will be good news
Let us all know!

[Angie D]

Yeeees, we did it! Family permits granted. So damned happy right now. Clive. Thank you so much for your invalued support and guidance, I am sure I will have further questions once they are here in UK. Xx

[chaoclive]

Yeeees, we did it! Family permits granted. So damned happy right now. Clive. Thank you so much for your invalued support and guidance, I am sure I will have further questions once they are here in UK. Xx

Great; no surprises though

Try to get her to the UK asap and get the documents ready to submit an EEA2 application. Have your son prepare his contract of employment/pay slips or a letter from his employer and proofs of his residence. If he wants to, he could apply for EEA1 (registration certificate) to prove that he is exercising treaty rights in the UK and that he is a European citizen. My EEA1 took 29 days.

He will also need to get his wife some bills with her name on it. The fastest for us was the TV license (which I paid for the day before he arrived), add her name to the electricity/gas. Then she will need to apply for a national insurance number (call to request a form: 0845 6000643) and open a bank account. The Cooperative Bank gave my partner a basic bank account (called Cashminder) with his TV license and passport. After a month of using this, he was able to open a normal full bank account from Ulster Bank here in Belfast (part of RBS Group).

[Angie D]

Hi Clive,
Difficult regarding bills as they will be living with me and all bills are paid through my account via direct debit and all in my name! Only thing I can think if us getting her a contract mobile?

[chaoclive]

Hi Clive,
Difficult regarding bills as they will be living with me and all bills are paid through my account via direct debit and all in my name! Only thing I can think if us getting her a contract mobile?

Don't think a mobile contract will be enough. Most places don't seem to view a mobile contract as a formal proof (e.g. banks don't often accept it when opening a new account). No way you can put at least one bill in their joint name? Best would be gas/elec/water. The panic will kinda be over when she gets a bank account in her name and starts receiving statements.

Get your son on the electoral roll if he isn't already as well as this is proof that he is resident in the UK and, as an Irish citizen, he has the right to vote in all UK elections. His wife won't be able to get on it though.

Keep thinking about proofs you can get for her. Obviously she will have to register with a doctor. There's a special form for people who were not born in the UK to fill in.

[Angie D]

Yes your right regarding mobile phone! My Son has a bank account already so may be able to get her on the same one! Have decided to move the gas and electric account in both their names that way they have proof of address! Son is already on the electoral role but as a Brit, next time the card pops through the door I will change the nationality to Irish. Will pop up my Docs and get a form regarding registering them all. We fly out on 29th to bring them back to UK, landing on 11th Feb!

Can't think of anything else we need to do at the moment but I am sure there will be plenty to keep me busy!

[chaoclive]

Yes your right regarding mobile phone! My Son has a bank account already so may be able to get her on the same one! Have decided to move the gas and electric account in both their names that way they have proof of address! Son is already on the electoral role but as a Brit, next time the card pops through the door I will change the nationality to Irish. Will pop up my Docs and get a form regarding registering them all. We fly out on 29th to bring them back to UK, landing on 11th Feb!

Can't think of anything else we need to do at the moment but I am sure there will be plenty to keep me busy!

Indeed there will be a lot to keep your busy, but I'm glad to report that my partner got the RC today!

We can relax for a while now.

[Angie D]

Fantastic Clive, congratulations on the RC.

[Angie D]

Clive, will a welcome letter from British gas suffice as I am on pay as you go and don't receive Bills. It's unlikely that they will transfer to my sin and wife on a direct debit basis as they do a credit check and son will have a low credit rating due to no other direct debits. He will probably have to take over the gas account on pay as you go!

[Angie D]

Scrap my last post Clive, just spoke with British gas and they said son and wife can request monthly payment summery if requested, so job done!

[chaoclive]

Scrap my last post Clive, just spoke with British gas and they said son and wife can request monthly payment summery if requested, so job done!

Good. That's a good start. However, I don't know if a bank will accept that for opening an account though. Might want to check first.

[Angie D]

Update: DIL had niño and bank account, school application form submitted, Child benefit applied for today! Next step, working families tax credits and RC. Coming along nicely although not looking forward to filling in the new 139 page RC application!!!

[White Emerald]

No worries Clive! Will get copy of his Fathers passport!

Hi Angie, Did you end up getting this? I'm in the same boat as you were now. I have had my Irish passport since 2008 and want to bring my wife over on an EEA FP. However, unfortunately I have dual British citizenship which I going to renounce. All the documents are ready, I'm just wondering do I need to scan a copy of my father's Irish passport first? I qualified through descent as I wasn't born in Ireland. I nearly sent off for my wife's EEA FP before I read about the dual citizenship rule ((( major delays now. If anyone could get back to me on this I'd be greatful. ))

[Angie D]

So sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I had problems logging back in! All going well, COA arrived within 2 weeks of providing biometrics, now waiting for RC. If you have not already done so then yes, supply a copy of your fathers Irish passport. You have probably already done this by now though?

[Angie D]

Oh, and by the way, I did not use the 137 page RC application form. I wrote a covering letter and just filled in the personal section and biometric page!!!

[White Emerald]

So sorry it has taken me so long to reply but I had problems logging back in! All going well, COA arrived within 2 weeks of providing biometrics, now waiting for RC. If you have not already done so then yes, supply a copy of your fathers Irish passport. You have probably already done this by now though?

Hi Angie, thanks for taking the time to reply. I sent my RN application off on 17th July only for them to reply that my application FOR british Citizenship was under consideration. I was in shock and replied immediately wasting more money on recorded delivery saying it was to renounce. Honestly, how could they make such a mistake? Anyway, a few days later I got a letter from the Home Office dated 29.07.15 saying that they had received the RN application for rnouncement and proceeded to take the money from my account for the correct amount. Honestly, it's so frustrating waiting and not being able to contact them.

It's about 6 weeks now since I sent them the application and I'm starting to get nervous as it says it can take up to 6 months [my wife doesn't know this]; I know many people here says it takes 2 on average but i'm getting stressed. Our marriage is under great strain due to the delays and bureaucracy [part of which is my own fault for not spotting the dual nationality rule earlier].

In addition, I received a criminal conviction [just a fine] over 20 years ago and it says on the form that it could be one of the reasons they can't process the form. This has me worried most of all. By the way, what is COA and RC? And what were the biometrics for? Thanks again