EUROSTAR UKBA is NOT considered a port of entry: Singh

[SRAQAI]

A useful story:

My friends cousin is also married to a Pakistani citizen like myself and she set up a business in France and established residency there, as a way to bring her husband through the Singh route to the UK. She is a British Citizen. Her and her husband arrived at the Eurostar Paris port yesterday, with all documents, marriage certificate, metock case stating her husband didnt need previous residency in EU (he didnt apply for a carte de sejour and has been in France for under 3 months on a Schengan 'visit visa'), directive 2004/38/ec and evidence of self employment in France. There was no EEA Family Permit. There was a death in the family and they needed to travel to the UK ASAP.

Both if them were put to the side, were told that they were familiar with Singh route and that they had a Venezualian and British couple before who tried and were refused entry. They were told to sit and wait. Immigration officer then came back and asked them a loado questions.... To her Pakistani husband. Why he wants to enter UK, how long for, why they didnt apply for a UK Spouse visa. They then asked the British national if they had been living in France, for how long and why they wernt registered with the Prefecture. I didnt know EU citizens needed to register! Anyway. Friends cousin was told that they have to get a family permit and that this is NOT a port... They do not have the facilities or ability to deal with cases like this, as this is just a 'check in-check out' facility at Paris. The officer mentioned to them that if they attempted to apply for a residence card in the UK without a family permit, it would be rejected.

Is what they have done legal? They wouldnt stamp them with an a1 code stamp... Even though the couple showed the officer the handbook which states they shud do this. They said this is only applicable to ports and they are not a port.

Me and my hubby want to do the same in terms of traveling with eurostar under Singh... But now with their experience we are having second thoughts. We are here in France now and although we plan to travel with a family permit back to the UK it might be easier to do a port entry without one - is what happened to my friend right? By the way, my friends cousin and her husband live near Le Havre in France and they tried to check in for the ferry journey to Portsmouth. There are no UKBA officers or any form of UK control at the Le Havre Port, so they were turned away for travel by LD Lines from there, before trying their luck in Paris.

[sierra]

eu citizen should be registerd with local commune and should get right of residence certificate .
to do so local commune checks under what capacity eu national is exercising treaty right employed self employed student etc.
after checking all requirements and tenancy agreement job letter etc local commune issues right of residence to eu citizen.
this is what happens in italy i think same in france also . that confirms that eu citizen is exercising treaty right after getting right of residence non eu family member applies for residence card under article 10.
if eu citizen got no right of residence and non eu family did not apply for residence .
it means eu citizen is not exercising treaty rights. so in that case i dont think so they can use surinder singh route as .singh route is only applicable if eu citizen has exercised treaty right in other member state as empolyed or self empolyed.
and what port they tried to get entry to uk is it eurostar train france to london.

[sierra]

what route they tried eurostar trains paris to london .or eurocoaches.
tell them to try claise ferry route .
i think they had problem to prove that they are surinder singh .as they could not satisfy the immigration officers that they exercised the treaty right.

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

How long had your UK friend been working in France?

You can definitely enter at one of the "juxtaposed controls", the others being Lille, Brussels, and Calais.

Check http://www.ilpa.org.uk/data/resources/1 ... pector.pdf

Also, SRAQAI, did your friends get a formal refusal letter from UKBA? What exactly did it say?

[SRAQAI]

How long had your UK friend been working in France?

You can definitely enter at one of the "juxtaposed controls", the others being Lille, Brussels, and Calais.

Check http://www.ilpa.org.uk/data/resources/1 ... pector.pdf

Also, SRAQAI, did your friends get a formal refusal letter from UKBA? What exactly did it say?

I think they have been here for about 7 months and she is self employed working for her UK business over here.

I just spoke to her, and she said that the UKBA insisted that they were not as well equiped to deal with cases like this, like an airport is. They insisted that they are not a 'port' and the Border Manual didnt apply to them.

There was a standard form filled out, stating refusal entry due to incorrect travel document. A tickbox 'other' was ticked and next to it was written that an EEA Family Permit was needed

[SRAQAI]

what route they tried eurostar trains paris to london .or eurocoaches.
tell them to try claise ferry route .
i think they had problem to prove that they are surinder singh .as they could not satisfy the immigration officers that they exercised the treaty right.

I dont think surinder singh was an issue, otherwise they wouldnt have suggested to apply for a family permit. They attempted Eurostar train to London.

I dont think this registration of right to excerise treaty rights exists here in France. I went to the prefecture yesterday and they said I didnt need to do anything.

[sierra]

hi if they have exercised treaty rights than claise is the route i read on forum about 3 diffeent succes stories from claise to dover route.
and someone else tried from brussles midi to london eurostar and they got through also .
so its worth trying either from claise or brussles midi belgium i recently been in belgium also i had in my mind to see immigration officer to confirm is it possible from brussles to use singh return route but due to short time could not do it.
as we are planing to use either claise or belgium too for singh return so please keep updating outcome if your friend try either from claise or brussles midi route eurostar.
and from claise they have to book ticket for ferry and they should arrive early so immigartion officer can deal with them in enough time same for brussles midi they should arrive in early so immigratrion officer can deal with them
as we live far from rome we will not be applying eea f permit too .
either claise or brussles midi route we will take these are the routes people on forum tried .
it was good to share paris route also for information of others who want to use singh return route.

[ukforever]

hi if they have exercised treaty rights than claise is the route i read on forum about 3 diffeent succes stories from claise to dover route.
and someone else tried from brussles midi to london eurostar and they got through also .
so its worth trying either from claise or brussles midi belgium i recently been in belgium also i had in my mind to see immigration officer to confirm is it possible from brussles to use singh return route but due to short time could not do it.
as we are planing to use either claise or belgium too for singh return so please keep updating outcome if your friend try either from claise or brussles midi route eurostar.
and from claise they have to book ticket for ferry and they should arrive early so immigartion officer can deal with them in enough time same for brussles midi they should arrive in early so immigratrion officer can deal with them
as we live far from rome we will not be applying eea f permit too .
either claise or brussles midi route we will take these are the routes people on forum tried .
it was good to share paris route also for information of others who want to use singh return route.

hi guys,can anyone supply any links of threads regarding successful entry to the uk through calais (the surrinder singh cases )with the code 1A stamp..??

[SRAQAI]

hi if they have exercised treaty rights than claise is the route i read on forum about 3 diffeent succes stories from claise to dover route.
and someone else tried from brussles midi to london eurostar and they got through also .
so its worth trying either from claise or brussles midi belgium i recently been in belgium also i had in my mind to see immigration officer to confirm is it possible from brussles to use singh return route but due to short time could not do it.
as we are planing to use either claise or belgium too for singh return so please keep updating outcome if your friend try either from claise or brussles midi route eurostar.
and from claise they have to book ticket for ferry and they should arrive early so immigartion officer can deal with them in enough time same for brussles midi they should arrive in early so immigratrion officer can deal with them
as we live far from rome we will not be applying eea f permit too .
either claise or brussles midi route we will take these are the routes people on forum tried .
it was good to share paris route also for information of others who want to use singh return route.

I'm not sure why they didn't try the Calais route... I'll need to ask them. MelC is the forum member who went via Calais.

hi guys,can anyone supply any links of threads regarding successful entry to the uk through calais (the surrinder singh cases )with the code 1A stamp..??

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[SRAQAI]

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[aiza]

That's a lot of info. Thumbs up to the person who researched this.

[KJS]

Hi There

Please can someone clarify visa free travel, I am Indian National living and residing with my British Wife In Netherlands. Recently I have received my Resident Card stating Family member of EU/EEA Citizen. We wish to travel to UK:
1.Do I require Visa and .
2 what stamp will be given in midi brussels.

There is lot of confusion, regarding this matter.

Thanks
KS