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You could try your luck. And update us on the outcome. There are a lot of people who would benefit from your interpretation/understanding being actually applied. And who knows, you may have been right all along.NeedHelpThisTime wrote:Thanks for your responses.
I have just spoken to two solicitors and additionally confirmed the *debated* point re. absences / delayed entry with a colleague who has got his ILR stamped a week back.
wpilr_nov12: Pg 12 reads "The period between entry clearance being issued and the applicant entering the UK may be counted toward the qualifying period, as long as it does not exceed 90 days. This can occur if the applicant is delayed travelling to the UK. Provided the period of delay does not exceed 90 days, it will not be counted as an absence."
so it doesn't say what your statement says "If your first entry is after 90 days of visa stamp, then your count begins from entry date. Page 12 of the earlier referred document."
uksettlement/Sohel: "Also, the 180 days permitted out of the country is for absence and not for delayed entry. Delayed entry is allowed for 90 days." This interpretation is questionable as there are no words such as 'allowed' used in the UKBA doc. If you were to reword the last line, which is:"Provided the period of delay does not exceed 90 days, it will not be counted as an absence" it could also mean: if the period of delay exceeds 90 days, it will be counted as absence. But that wording is questionable again!
As confirmed to me by the two solicitors and the colleague (who was 112 days delayed in entering UK from the date of stamping), according to their experiences:
1. a max of 180 days absences are allowed in a year TRUE and
2. if the period between the date of stamping to date of entry exceeds 90 days, it is counted as absence, which again could be a max of 180 days NOT SO SURE.
Don't know how true this is, but I am just playing devil's advocate here.
Thanks!
I would be interested to find out the outcome of your application, if you do consider the time between EC & date of first entry towards your 5 year residence.NeedHelpThisTime wrote:Thanks for your responses.
I have just spoken to two solicitors and additionally confirmed the *debated* point re. absences / delayed entry with a colleague who has got his ILR stamped a week back.
wpilr_nov12: Pg 12 reads "The period between entry clearance being issued and the applicant entering the UK may be counted toward the qualifying period, as long as it does not exceed 90 days. This can occur if the applicant is delayed travelling to the UK. Provided the period of delay does not exceed 90 days, it will not be counted as an absence."
so it doesn't say what your statement says "If your first entry is after 90 days of visa stamp, then your count begins from entry date. Page 12 of the earlier referred document."
uksettlement/Sohel: "Also, the 180 days permitted out of the country is for absence and not for delayed entry. Delayed entry is allowed for 90 days." This interpretation is questionable as there are no words such as 'allowed' used in the UKBA doc. If you were to reword the last line, which is:"Provided the period of delay does not exceed 90 days, it will not be counted as an absence" it could also mean: if the period of delay exceeds 90 days, it will be counted as absence. But that wording is questionable again!
As confirmed to me by the two solicitors and the colleague (who was 112 days delayed in entering UK from the date of stamping), according to their experiences:
1. a max of 180 days absences are allowed in a year and
2. if the period between the date of stamping to date of entry exceeds 90 days, it is counted as absence, which again could be a max of 180 days.
Don't know how true this is, but I am just playing devil's advocate here.
Thanks!
Before you consider the "absence", look at the basic requirement for ILR : "the applicant must have spent a continuous period of 5 years lawfully in the UK"NeedHelpThisTime wrote: 2. if the period between the date of stamping to date of entry exceeds 90 days, it is counted as absence, which again could be a max of 180 days.
As it has been mentioned quite a few time on this forum not all solicitors are always right so please be careful when selecting the solicitor to represent yourselfNeedHelpThisTime wrote: As confirmed to me by the two solicitors and the colleague (who was 112 days delayed in entering UK from the date of stamping), according to their experiences:
As you know, my initial entry was 3 months + 1 day after my visa stamped. My solicitor said he sees no problem applying directly for ILR as my total absences from the UK including the late entry was less than 180 days but this is my game to apply for 2nd extension or ILR. I wanted to be safe so am applying for second extention this week.madhumesh wrote:Please share your results, I am on same boat and my delay was due to compasionate reason don't know whether I can avoid another extension
I don't know how your solicitor interpret the law, I have the same situation and ask home office directly to explain and here is the responsemah wrote:As you know, my initial entry was 3 months + 1 day after my visa stamped. My solicitor said he sees no problem applying directly for ILR as my total absences from the UK including the late entry was less than 180 days but this is my game to apply for 2nd extension or ILR. I wanted to be safe so am applying for second extention this week.madhumesh wrote:Please share your results, I am on same boat and my delay was due to compasionate reason don't know whether I can avoid another extension
Regards,
Mah
I got the same reply from UKBA and I decided not to apply for ILR, but still the solicitor believes that the UKBA email is not by immigration officers but by some admin people.go2khurram wrote:I don't know how your solicitor interpret the law, I have the same situation and ask home office directly to explain and here is the responsemah wrote:As you know, my initial entry was 3 months + 1 day after my visa stamped. My solicitor said he sees no problem applying directly for ILR as my total absences from the UK including the late entry was less than 180 days but this is my game to apply for 2nd extension or ILR. I wanted to be safe so am applying for second extention this week.madhumesh wrote:Please share your results, I am on same boat and my delay was due to compasionate reason don't know whether I can avoid another extension
Regards,
Mah