EU family and non EU father

[zaza7625]

we are family consisting of 6 members and out of them 5 members of my family are EU citizens.I have a marriage relationship with my wife which is affirmed by our marriage certificate and there is a my surname written on her EU passport due to our marriage.Besides, as I mentioned-above we have 4 EU citizen children together(holding EU passports). Unfortunately I am not an EU citizen and we are planning to move to Ireland together with our children from our residence (Georgia). I am applying for irish visa right now and the process is on but I don't know how it ends.
In case of refusal,would I be able to travel with all my family members without a visa, showing irish authorities all our documents mentioned-above? will I be separated at the border from my family?
thanks

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

I suggest you wait for the visa decision first.

[jeupsy]

I would had that given the fact that your are married to an EU citizen and have EU children, chances are your visa will be granted (they have to grant the application unless they have reasons to believe you provided a fake marriage certificate / birth certificates for your children, or they have serious reasons to think you are a security threat).

[Brigid from Ireland]

You should have no problems. Given that you have children together, it would be hard to argue that the marriage is false.

If she can't get a job as an employee, your wife should fill out the forms to declare herself self employed as soon as she arrives. The reason being that if she is employed or self employed you (her non-EU spouse) has the right to stay here with her, as she is then a worker. Also if she is employed or self employed she can claim child benefit at 130 euro per month per child. If you lived in rural Ireland the child benefit alone (with a very very small income from self employment) would be enough for a modest life here.

Once she has been self employed for a while, the EU citizen or her spouse can apply for other social welfare money. So for example she is self employed (therefore she has migrant worker rights) and her husband applies for jobseekers allowance.

[zaza7625]

You should have no problems. Given that you have children together, it would be hard to argue that the marriage is false.

If she can't get a job as an employee, your wife should fill out the forms to declare herself self employed as soon as she arrives. The reason being that if she is employed or self employed you (her non-EU spouse) has the right to stay here with her, as she is then a worker. Also if she is employed or self employed she can claim child benefit at 130 euro per month per child. If you lived in rural Ireland the child benefit alone (with a very very small income from self employment) would be enough for a modest life here.

Once she has been self employed for a while, the EU citizen or her spouse can apply for other social welfare money. So for example she is self employed (therefore she has migrant worker rights) and her husband applies for jobseekers allowance.

Thanks for reply brigid. please make me clear what self-employed means?
thanks

[zaza7625]

I would had that given the fact that your are married to an EU citizen and have EU children, chances are your visa will be granted (they have to grant the application unless they have reasons to believe you provided a bad quality marriage certificate / birth certificates for your children, or they have serious reasons to think you are a security threat).

cheers

[zaza7625]

You should have no problems. Given that you have children together, it would be hard to argue that the marriage is false.

If she can't get a job as an employee, your wife should fill out the forms to declare herself self employed as soon as she arrives. The reason being that if she is employed or self employed you (her non-EU spouse) has the right to stay here with her, as she is then a worker. Also if she is employed or self employed she can claim child benefit at 130 euro per month per child. If you lived in rural Ireland the child benefit alone (with a very very small income from self employment) would be enough for a modest life here.

Once she has been self employed for a while, the EU citizen or her spouse can apply for other social welfare money. So for example she is self employed (therefore she has migrant worker rights) and her husband applies for jobseekers allowance.

brigid, I just forget to outline that one of my child is an Irish citizen and holdes Irish passport. in the visa application form I wrote that I would like him to enroll at Irish school and one of the reason was it to move to ireland

[zaza7625]

You should have no problems. Given that you have children together, it would be hard to argue that the marriage is false.

If she can't get a job as an employee, your wife should fill out the forms to declare herself self employed as soon as she arrives. The reason being that if she is employed or self employed you (her non-EU spouse) has the right to stay here with her, as she is then a worker. Also if she is employed or self employed she can claim child benefit at 130 euro per month per child. If you lived in rural Ireland the child benefit alone (with a very very small income from self employment) would be enough for a modest life here.

Once she has been self employed for a while, the EU citizen or her spouse can apply for other social welfare money. So for example she is self employed (therefore she has migrant worker rights) and her husband applies for jobseekers allowance.

brigid, I just forget to outline that one of my child is an Irish citizen and holdes Irish passport. in the visa application form I wrote that I would like him to enroll at Irish school and one of the reason was it to move to ireland

So as fr as I understand we can travel together not having me irish entry visa. I was just reading the answer on euronews U-talk that if non eu family member shows the relation between his/her eu family members and holdes all necessary documents and they are travelling together, an entry visa would be issued on arrival on the spot. is that true?
thanks

[EUsmileWEallsmile]

So as fr as I understand we can travel together not having me irish entry visa. I was just reading the answer on euronews U-talk that if non eu family member shows the relation between his/her eu family members and holdes all necessary documents and they are travelling together, an entry visa would be issued on arrival on the spot. is that true?
thanks

Yes, if one can get to a border. No if an airline refuses to let one travel.

[Brigid from Ireland]

Employed = you have a boss who pays you a wage. Example you mind children in your employer's house or you work in their shop or factory.

Self employed = you have no boss but you charge a fee for a service. Example you mind children in your own house and charge a fee or you make clothes and sell them or you do garden work for other people and you charge a fee.

The important thing about self employment is not the amount of work you do or the amount of money you make. The important thing is that you contact the tax officials and tell them in writing that you are self employed, as this is the paperwork you use as proof that you are a migrant worker who is self employed. Then at the end of the year you complete more paperwork saying you made a small income from self employment and you pay tax and social insurance on the income.

If the income is from minding children (not your own children, someone else's children) in your home there is no tax so long as you charged less than 10,000 in the year, so in this case you only pay the social insurance cost (very small) and it means you qualify for child benefit because you are self employed.

[zaza7625]

Employed = you have a boss who pays you a wage. Example you mind children in your employer's house or you work in their shop or factory.

Self employed = you have no boss but you charge a fee for a service. Example you mind children in your own house and charge a fee or you make clothes and sell them or you do garden work for other people and you charge a fee.

The important thing about self employment is not the amount of work you do or the amount of money you make. The important thing is that you contact the tax officials and tell them in writing that you are self employed, as this is the paperwork you use as proof that you are a migrant worker who is self employed. Then at the end of the year you complete more paperwork saying you made a small income from self employment and you pay tax and social insurance on the income.

If the income is from minding children (not your own children, someone else's children) in your home there is no tax so long as you charged less than 10,000 in the year, so in this case you only pay the social insurance cost (very small) and it means you qualify for child benefit because you are self employed.

thanks. that's a very useful information

[IntegratedMigrant]

Employed = you have a boss who pays you a wage. Example you mind children in your employer's house or you work in their shop or factory.

Self employed = you have no boss but you charge a fee for a service. Example you mind children in your own house and charge a fee or you make clothes and sell them or you do garden work for other people and you charge a fee.

The important thing about self employment is not the amount of work you do or the amount of money you make. The important thing is that you contact the tax officials and tell them in writing that you are self employed, as this is the paperwork you use as proof that you are a migrant worker who is self employed. Then at the end of the year you complete more paperwork saying you made a small income from self employment and you pay tax and social insurance on the income.

If the income is from minding children (not your own children, someone else's children) in your home there is no tax so long as you charged less than 10,000 in the year, so in this case you only pay the social insurance cost (very small) and it means you qualify for child benefit because you are self employed.

For some reasons you bizarrely know the most conning/short cut way to get something @Brigid from Ireland. Thats a talent.

[Brigid from Ireland]

I am an under employed translator.

I get more work if I can explain to people WHY something was refused, rather than just translate the letter of refusal.

As you can imagine, I get even more work if I know how to appeal the refusal and successfully get whatever it is the person was applying for (residence, citizenship, tax refund, state subsidised housing, free education, support for disabled member of family,medical card...).

I spend more time reading Irish and EU legislation than most public servants. I also read the reports from bodies such as the Ombudsman. Very interesting stuff. My Irish spouse often knows the right way to appeal decisions - it seems to be a cultural thing, as the Irish method is odd to my way of thinking, but it always works if you appeal in the way that the Irish expect you to.

I would love to organise groups of immigrants into self supporting units - people don't realise that if they moved to Ireland as a group of ten families with two or more children each, those ten families could create enough work between themselves to make the move viable, without ever depending on an Irish employer for work.

Immigrants also need to cluster into groups - they have no power when there are only a few in each town and they are treated badly - immigrants should pick towns and focus on enough immigrants moving to a town to acquire political voice in one town rather than a few immigrants in all towns and no political voice as they are too dispersed.

The town where I live has enough Polish children to establish a Polish school - but the Polish kids are dispersed between 5 schools, so no teacher from Poland is hired. Therefore Polish kids create jobs for Irish teachers, not for Polish teachers.

Same if you look at faith - there are enough kids of a particular faith to establish their own school and hire a teacher of their own faith, but they are dispersed between 5 schools, so all the teachers are of the majority faith. Therefore kids spend hours every day silently in the classroom as the majority faith is taught. At this time of year religion is taught all day every day in some classes as religious ceremonies are pending.