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Family ties in the UK

Post by Mystery84 » Mon May 02, 2016 5:16 pm

Hello everyone,
I am a new Comer. Please I would like to find out more about the family ties in the UK. More like what's the age bracket to apply and also its requirements. All suggestions would be highly appreciated. Many thanks

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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by Wanderer » Mon May 02, 2016 5:22 pm

Needs more info than that.
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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by geriatrix » Mon May 02, 2016 5:29 pm

If you are abroad and 18 or above, family ties in UK have no relevance.
If you aren't, what sort of family ties are you referring to - parents, or uncles & aunts or siblings or ...?
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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by MyGodisable » Mon May 02, 2016 6:52 pm

@Mystery84,

Since you are an adult over 18 years. Your family ties is the family life you enjoyed with your family here in the UK. For you, your family may be your father, mother and siblings. It can also be your extended family. But it is the family you enjoy family life with are people you have family ties with.

Please take note of the word "family life" very important in identifying who you have family ties with.

[b]ALSO. I will like to point out that people should stop misleading others in this forum that whenever an adult want to apply for an application and seek advise on who he/she have a family ties with, the next answer will be since he was an adult, he/she doesn't have family life or family ties in this country (UK). This assertion is very, very wrong like the one posted by someone called "geriatrix". This is not good and please stop misleading people.[/b]

If someone doesn't know anything, it will be better if such a person keep quiet than misleading people. Remember this is a lifre of someone we are talking about. It is not good to add to peoples problem.

There is a lot of caselaw that still proof it that an adult still have a family ties in this country (UK).

Thank you.

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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by Casa » Mon May 02, 2016 7:18 pm

@MyGodisable To avoid confusion, the OP hasn't actually said what age they are. :|
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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by geriatrix » Mon May 02, 2016 7:38 pm

MyGodisable wrote:There is a lot of caselaw that still proof it that an adult still have a family ties in this country (UK).
For an adult who has never been to UK or is outside the UK? Please point me to those, I would love to know.
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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by MyGodisable » Mon May 02, 2016 7:56 pm

Well, it is the way you post your answer in the board that makes me to reply.

Anyways, whether an adults or children is in the UK or outside the UK, so far their family is in the UK and they are dependent on them they still enjoy family life.

If you want to know what constitutes a family life for an adults/children whether or not they are living in this country and whether or not their family are residing here. Please go to this site and type "adult dependent" and read the caselaw yourself.

The site is: tribunalsdecisions.service.gov.uk. You will find caselaw and decisions relation to adult who are dependent on their family here in the UK and they are residing in their home country.

The only problem will be if only one of the family members is here in the UK while others are still living with him/her in their home country and also the person involve is not having medical conditions that can consider exceptional.

But if the adult involved is living in this country with his/her family, he/she doesn't have to be sick or have medical conditions before he/she has to enjoy family life because adult with family life in this country there situation is no more recognised by the new rules promulgated by the SSHD> Therefore they may still have an arguable case outside the provision of the rules.

Please note: for all article 8 relating to adults/children whether they are living here/outside here with their family or one family is here and others are still in their home country, caselaw relating to:

MF(Nigeria) v sshd still apply for all and every cases. There is still other cases and decisions that still apply check the site I gave you above.

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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by Casa » Mon May 02, 2016 8:48 pm

Before members hopes are raised, it should be made clear that the route to settlement for adult dependent relatives has been virtually closed. This cogent article explains it clearly:
https://www.freemovement.org.uk/out-with-the-old/
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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by MyGodisable » Mon May 02, 2016 9:06 pm

Thank you Casa.

I agree that the route to settlement for adult dependents are closed but there are still some routes open to them to settled.

Also, we have to be aware that there are 2 different categories of adult dependents.

1. Adult dependent that are living outside the UK.
They can apply to reside in the UK under adult dependent category relating to Medical Condition. if
they don't have medical condition, the next rout for them is to apply to join their relative here through:

(B) Visits or Studies (which is the important route for them).

(C) If they apply under the above categories from their home country and their case are refused by the
Entry clearance officer, the law still say they the ECO still have to consider their own article 8 rights
outside the provisions of that rule. That is, why the refusal of their leave to enter won't breach their
article 8 rights, which is the second stage in MF(Nigeria) v SSHD

2. After the adult dependent have joined their family in the UK through the above route. All adults whether
they have been living here or they just come to UK. Their family situations are all the same.

3. The for all of them in the UK to extend their leave to remain, they may have to apply under the following:

(A) Adult dependent route relating to Medical condition for those that were granted leave to enter under
that category. For others they apply under:

(B) Paragraph 276 ade (vi) very significant obstacle

(C) if they don't meet the requirement of all the above route, their case will still have to be determined
outside the rule, which is their own article 8 rights (family life rights) with the family they have here
in the UK.

That is where MF(Nigeria) v SSHD, Ghising (family life), Kugathas v SSHD and others comes in. Their case cannot just be refused like that and you say they don't enjoy family life here in the UK that they should go to their home country. This is unlawful.

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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by MyGodisable » Mon May 02, 2016 9:13 pm

Please note my point in number 2 and 3 (a,b&C) is for all adult dependents who have been granted leave to enter to the UK and they are already here including those that have been here for a long time and wishes to remain/want to continue to remain with their families here in the UK.

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Re: Family ties in the UK

Post by Casa » Mon May 02, 2016 9:31 pm

Everything can only be hypothetical at the moment as the OP hasn't given any details of their situation.
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