Application for PR card: no WRS; evidence required?

[tresgoya]

Hi all,

I'm newbie to this forum and about to send in my PR application as an EEA citizen next week.
I have a few question and would appreciate ur advice.

I'm from a 2004 accession country and moved to the UK in 2010 from Ireland where I had lived for many years prior. Been employed quite steadily since then as a full-timer but never did a WRS because I wasn't aware of it. However I know that now the 5 years have passed, so legally and technically it shouldn't be a base for refusal of the application. Does anyone know of the contrary? I'm a bit baffled that questions about WRS are still present on the form and i'm concerned they might try to use it as some excuse for refusal.

Re: evidence. I have seen many people complaining about getting a refusal because of 'not enough' evidence. I have most of my papers and play slips, but I mean, do I really need to submit 60 pages of play slips on top of my employment contracts and P60s and whatnot? I find it a tad ridiculous. Also, should i take photocopies of these documents? I've seen cases when home office lost them and they are kind of important documents.

Also, I had to quit my latest job because of the behaviour of my boss. So the termination wasn't 'involuntary', though this won't necessarily show on the documents I plan to include for proof. My contract had ended right before Christmas but then i was hired for another job by the middle of January and did a trial for it before NYE. I will provide email & play slip evidence of that, but will those be enough or should I include emails, proving of job search too, despite of the fact that in 2 weeks time of finishing employment I was again employed.I never registered with Job Center, just plain recruitment agencies when looking for work, as I work in a specific business for which Job Center wouldn't cater jobs for. Could that or the fact that I left my job be held against me? I would like to avoid getting together proof (which I have in the form of doctor's note etc) that I had to leave because of unbearable stress and bullying, especially that the company obviously acted as everything was my fault to save my boss's arse and tried to drag me to different meetings to show I was the one who didn't have proper conduct. I'd prefer not to open up that can of worms to be honest and just wanna include my P45 and then the proof of new employment, without not going into the details of how the employment ended. Do you think that would still suffice?

Your advice would be much appreciated.

[noajthan]

Welcome.

To avoid confusion & jumbled responses, I have moved your question to its own thread (this one).

[tresgoya]

I have the EEA (PR) form, but now I've read there was a shorter EEA3 form. Is it still possible to use the EEA3, is it still valid? That form never came up when originally querying the gov.co.uk site for PR application. Why are there 2 types of forms for EEA nationals to claim PR? Is there any difference in the processing times?

[noajthan]

I have the EEA (PR) form, but now I've read there was a shorter EEA3 form. Is it still possible to use the EEA3, is it still valid? That form never came up when originally querying the gov.co.uk site for PR application. Why are there 2 types of forms for EEA nationals to claim PR? Is there any difference in the processing times?

Yes, you can use any such form to apply for confirmation of PR.
Or, if you are feeling hardcore, you could simply apply by letter.

There's no mystery; there is the current 'monster' form and also earlier (simpler) versions of the form still to be found in the forum or else buried within the Gov UK archive website.

There should be no noticeable advantage or disadvantage to using any format of form;
all good as long as all necessary and relevant information, supporting documents/evidence, biometric information and correct fee is submitted.
(Some members mention in the timelines thread when they have used an earlier version of the form).

[tresgoya]

I have the EEA (PR) form, but now I've read there was a shorter EEA3 form. Is it still possible to use the EEA3, is it still valid? That form never came up when originally querying the gov.co.uk site for PR application. Why are there 2 types of forms for EEA nationals to claim PR? Is there any difference in the processing times?

Yes, you can use any such form to apply for confirmation of PR.
Or, if you are feeling hardcore, you could simply apply by letter.

There's no mystery; there is the current 'monster' form and also earlier (simpler) versions of the form still to be found in the forum or else buried within the Gov UK archive website.

There should be no noticeable advantage or disadvantage to using any format of form;
all good as long as all necessary and relevant information, supporting documents/evidence, biometric information and correct fee is submitted.
(Some members mention in the timelines thread when they have used an earlier version of the form).

Thanks for ur reply! Regarding Biometric information: do EEA nationals need to do that too? I thought not. Is there a waiting time for that? (sorry i did google it and it said to go to post office and all, but it's still not clear if there was a waiting time...I wanted to send in my PR application next week...

[noajthan]

Thanks for ur reply! Regarding Biometric information: do EEA nationals need to do that too? I thought not. Is there a waiting time for that? (sorry i did google it and it said to go to post office and all, but it's still not clear if there was a waiting time...I wanted to send in my PR application next week...

Not EEAs no - as they (you) should have a biometric passport.

[LilyLalilu]

Thanks for ur reply! Regarding Biometric information: do EEA nationals need to do that too? I thought not. Is there a waiting time for that? (sorry i did google it and it said to go to post office and all, but it's still not clear if there was a waiting time...I wanted to send in my PR application next week...

No. Only non-EEA nationals applying for PR need to enrol their Biometrics.

[ohara]

Have a look at this form: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/128 ... ple_v2.pdf

It was made specifically for EEA citizens by members of this board.

EEA citizens do not need to submit biometric data. All EEA passports have had machine readable facial images since 28th August 2006 and all Schengen country passports have had fingerprints digitally stored since 29th June 2009.

[tresgoya]

I'm in a bit of a pickle with job history.

I had a full-time job I left voluntarily. Things got very nasty with my boss, she was trying to drag me through disciplinary cause she didn't like me and I was under terrible stress (i have doctor letters deeming me unfit to work).

After quitting I found another job and started 3 weeks after this previous job I had quit ended. It was a full-time pub job and I only had stayed in it for 5 weeks, as after that I got a new job in my original line of work.

Question: I originally didn't plan on putting any info into my PR application re: this debacle, just attach the P45 form from the job I quit and then the proof of the interview for the new employment and the pay slips for that.
However in the employment history table they ask about the reason for leaving.
So now I'm in a pickle. Should I say I resigned (which is what happened, though I wouldn't have if it wasn't for my bitchy boss), or just put something neutral as 'job change', since I did get a job in 3 weeks time...

Does voluntary resignation have any effect on qualifying status, if I got new job in a few weeks' time anyway? I read that since a 2014 precedent even if u seek job after being employed for 1 year, you can retain status as job seeker, so that term doesn't just apply to new arrivals only. However I'm not sure if the fact of the resignation would cause trouble. It happened in the last year of me getting qualified so I would be royally screwed...
I can also provide proof I was looking for job while working in pub (that is how I ended up getting a client and becoming self employed, a job I've been doing ever since)

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[noajthan]

For such a short blip nothing to worry about really.
Anecdotally, and in some government guidance documents, it appears that very short gaps may be disregarded anyway.

A lot of the information on the 'monster' PR form is not legally required under EU law.
'Reason for job change' seems to fall into that category.

Ofcourse you should not lie or conceal information;
job change, career move, personal/family reasons, downsizing, upsizing, personal or "mind your own business" etc all sounds reasonable and should be fine as long as you can justify it (if ever asked).

In fact its not a legal or mandatory requirement to use the latest 'monster' PR form at all.
There are earlier (simpler) versions to be found in the forum (& within the Gov UK archives website) - if that floats your boat.

[tresgoya]

For such a short blip nothing to worry about really.
Anecdotally, and in some government guidance documents, it appears that very short gaps may be disregarded anyway.

A lot of the information on the 'monster' PR form is not legally required under EU law.
'Reason for job change' seems to fall into that category.

Ofcourse you should not lie or conceal information;
job change, career move, personal/family reasons, downsizing, upsizing, personal or "mind your own business" etc all sounds reasonable and should be fine as long as you can justify it (if ever asked).

In fact its not a legal or mandatory requirement to use the latest 'monster' PR form at all.
There are earlier (simpler) versions to be found in the forum (& within the Gov UK archives website) - if that floats your boat.

Thanks for ur swift help! I just really want to get this bundle out the door now.
One more thing if you don't mind. I did fill out the 'monster form' already, however yesterday I saw the old EEA3 form on the gov.co.uk site, updated in Jan 2014. The one which was about 40 pages (not the one made by one of the users, i have that one). Would u have a link to that original gov.co.uk EEa3 form? I've spent at least 30 minutes trying to find it but google doesn't spit it back, found one which I couldn't download and my browser history comes back empty handed as well. Would love to take a look at it.

[noajthan]

Thanks for ur swift help! I just really want to get this bundle out the door now.
One more thing if you don't mind. I did fill out the 'monster form' already, however yesterday I saw the old EEA3 form on the gov.co.uk site, updated in Jan 2014. The one which was about 40 pages (not the one made by one of the users, i have that one). Would u have a link to that original gov.co.uk EEa3 form? I've spent at least 30 minutes trying to find it but google doesn't spit it back, found one which I couldn't download and my browser history comes back empty handed as well. Would love to take a look at it.

Don't forget to keep scans & copies of all docs and form plus payment details and any cover letter - for your records & in case of any dispute.

Here you are - an EEA4:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... /eea41.pdf

- enjoy.

Or search Gov UK web archive:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... ce.gov.uk/
- have a nosey under the European nationals links on the left-side of each page for a specific date (then drill down through the pages).

For eg:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov. ... ropeanlaw/

Or did you mean you want a sight of this little fella:
https://portal.mpsv.cz/eures/podminky/b ... /eea31.pdf

[tresgoya]

HI,

No I actually mean this one
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/ ... ome-office

Is this still valid? Why it only says though to pay £55?

[noajthan]

HI,

No I actually mean this one
https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/ ... ome-office

Is this still valid? Why it only says though to pay £55?

They are old forms. HO doesn't maintain them anymore.

Obviously you have to pay the current fee.
And send to the current address.
Both of which have changed since 201x.

See HO guidance on choice of form:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... s_v3_0.pdf
- page 8

That's why a member has helpfully mashed up a version with the correct current fee and address details.

[tresgoya]

Application has gone in this morning.

Would like to say a huge thanks to this board for all the advice and help given, especially to noajthan!

The only thing I'm dreading now - besides possible issues with the application itself - is a Brexit and its potential effects on pending PR applications..but finger's crossed all will be good.

Thanks again and good luck to everyone who is waiting for a reply or just about to have a go at it!

[noajthan]

Good luck!