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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by jrdx » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:55 am

..ok, i have had a quick look though these posts and it seems a bit of a catch 22...has anyone been through this and come out the end with a solution..?

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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 2:13 am

jrdx wrote:..ok, i have had a quick look though these posts and it seems a bit of a catch 22...has anyone been through this and come out the end with a solution..?
Did you surf the links, including this one:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/notarial-an ... ecognition
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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by jrdx » Fri Jul 01, 2016 3:49 am

... i have looked through lots of the posts... its late and I'm getting tired and can't see the wood for the trees!

in the last link you sent it states :""Your spouse will need this to get a Spanish residence card from the Spanish Foreigners’ Office (Extranjería). Both you and your spouse will need to attend an appointment at your nearest British Consulate in Spain to get the certificate, and will need to make separate declarations.""

meaning that we must be in spain to get the "Certificate of Foreign Marriage Recognition". but i can not get her the visa to get into spain in the first place until we have the marriage certificate recognised....

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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:47 am

jrdx wrote:... i have looked through lots of the posts... its late and I'm getting tired and can't see the wood for the trees!

in the last link you sent it states :""Your spouse will need this to get a Spanish residence card from the Spanish Foreigners’ Office (Extranjería). Both you and your spouse will need to attend an appointment at your nearest British Consulate in Spain to get the certificate, and will need to make separate declarations.""

meaning that we must be in spain to get the "Certificate of Foreign Marriage Recognition". but i can not get her the visa to get into spain in the first place until we have the marriage certificate recognised....
I just linked the page to show you there is at least some sort of process to hook into.
If it is Spain-specific (just as UK has certain UK-specific EU requirements eg col test) then I don't know how mature a process it is.

And it seems all sorts of foreign documents to be used in Spain need to be treated in this way, for all sorts of reasons, (not just entry), so people could be there by other means.

That document is evidently based on people in Spain.
You need to find out if it applies across the world.

This seems to be a prerequisite:
If the country where you married is part of the Hague Convention, the legalisation office in that country will place a stamp or vignette called “The Hague Apostille” (Apostilla de la Haya) on the back of the document.

Check the list of countries that are part of the Hague Convention.

If not, you’ll need to do both of the following:
  • contact the authority where your marriage was registered and get a stamp or signature to validate your marriage certificate
    take your marriage certificate to the Spanish embassy in the country you got married in so they can recognise the stamp/signature of the issuing authority
Worst case can you go to Portugal instead?
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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:27 am

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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by jrdx » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:20 am

i looked through many many posts last night and looked into / read-up on the apostille system and saw that senegal has not yet signed up to this although morocco snd turkey have. at 3am i was considering flying us to morroc or turkey to re marry there have the certificate "apostillesed" and move forward from there... so i thought i had better sleep!

i will have some time to look into things again in a couple of hours. but im interested in why you said "worst case could you go to portugal" because tbh portugal would be an option...
really, thanks for your help on this..i will look at the latest links shortly...

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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by jrdx » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:24 am

...also, yes i plan to go the the town hall here and have all relating documents stamped: legalised, recognised etc... and everything officially translated to English and Spanish, as they are currently in french.

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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by noajthan » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:58 am

jrdx wrote:i will have some time to look into things again in a couple of hours. but im interested in why you said "worst case could you go to portugal" because tbh portugal would be an option...
really, thanks for your help on this..i will look at the latest links shortly...
Only on basis that Portugal is next door to Spain. I don't know if they need apostilled documents too, maybe they do not.

Stand by for other members too, I know some of them know about Hispanic document requirements.
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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by Casa » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:17 pm

You can't 're-marry' in Morocco or Turkey as you are already legally married in Senegal. Also, marriage in Morocco is a long drawn out and complicated process for non residents. Within the paperwork, as a male you would need to obtain a notarised statement of religious denomination. However, as in my opening sentence, you are unable to marry twice.
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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by jrdx » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:29 pm

Casa wrote:You can't 're-marry' in Morocco or Turkey as you are already legally married in Senegal. Also, marriage in Morocco is a long drawn out and complicated process for non residents. Within the paperwork, as a male you would need to obtain a notarised statement of religious denomination. However, as in my opening sentence, you are unable to marry twice.
yes.. i realise that now, it was nearly 4am by that stage and id lost the capacity for reasoned thought.. (

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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by Casa » Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:32 pm

jrdx wrote:
Casa wrote:You can't 're-marry' in Morocco or Turkey as you are already legally married in Senegal. Also, marriage in Morocco is a long drawn out and complicated process for non residents. Within the paperwork, as a male you would need to obtain a notarised statement of religious denomination. However, as in my opening sentence, you are unable to marry twice.
yes.. i realise that now, it was nearly 4am by that stage and id lost the capacity for reasoned thought.. (
Not surprising. It happens to us all!
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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by jrdx » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:57 pm

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Not surprising. It happens to us all!
..what, even the moderators on this inimitable site..??

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Re: advice needed to bring my wife and baby to uk

Post by Casa » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:01 pm

jrdx wrote:(
Not surprising. It happens to us all!
..what, even the moderators on this inimitable site..??
Especially us ...but generally with time to edit the post :wink:
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