News about Status of EU nationals in UK

[Connie86]

Hello,
Today I read this https://www.gov.uk/government/news/stat ... -in-the-uk
and I am confused. Is the permanent residence card still needed or not?

Let me know what you think

Thanks,

Connie

[noajthan]

Nothing has changed recently.

A confirmation of PR card is still optional.

If someone wishes to apply for citizenship (and they are on the EU migration route) they will need to have acquired PR and have such a PR card.

[Richard W]

Today I read this https://www.gov.uk/government/news/stat ... -in-the-uk and I am confused. Is the permanent residence card still needed or not?

There is actually very little in the statement that is not compatible with 'no change yet'. The UK bargaining position, which may be taken as a concession, is set out as:

When we do leave the EU, we fully expect that the legal status of EU nationals living in the UK, and that of UK nationals in EU member states, will be properly protected.

That really tells us noting about the future need for a DCPR. I'm struggling to see if it one permits one to delay applying for a DCPR until it becomes clear that one is needed. It will be needed in the future; a Polish passport will hardly be evidence that one had a right to work in the UK before the UK left the EEA.

Perhaps this is off-topic, but what I do find worrying is that the statement of intent says nothing about family members of EU nationals. It also says nothing about the EEA non-EU nationals.

[a.s.b.o]

"Irish nationals enjoy separate rights, under various pieces of legislation, which allow Irish nationals residing in the UK to be treated in the same way as British nationals in most circumstances. There is no change to this position"

will this mean that their family members will be migrated to UK-immigration path?

I concur with Richard W, applying as normal is not the same as 'their rights will be protected'

[Obie]

"Irish nationals enjoy separate rights, under various pieces of legislation, which allow Irish nationals residing in the UK to be treated in the same way as British nationals in most circumstances. There is no change to this position"

will this mean that their family members will be migrated to UK-immigration path?

I concur with Richard W, applying as normal is not the same as 'their rights will be protected'

I think that portion will go a long way to assisting Richard W, with whom i had a very contentious debate on the status of Ireland, few days ago.

[Richard W]

"Irish nationals enjoy separate rights, under various pieces of legislation, which allow Irish nationals residing in the UK to be treated in the same way as British nationals in most circumstances.

I think that portion will go a long way to assisting Richard W, with whom i had a very contentious debate on the status of Ireland, few days ago.

Most categories of British national have no right to reside in the UK! I don't think it's a very precise statement.

[Obie]

I find it incomprehensible that in the light of all the evidence, even from the British Government, you still maintain your position, and defending the indefensible.

[Richard W]

I find it incomprehensible that in the light of all the evidence, even from the British Government, you still maintain your position, and defending the indefensible.

The special rights of the Irish as regards immigration status derive from what is now called a 'qualifying CTA entitlement'. (The Irish already settled in the UK in 1971 automatically acquired ILR - IA 1971 Section 1(2).) They gain some additional, non-immigration rights from the law that the Republic of Ireland is not foreign, though I think most additional rights are now explicit. Not being foreign ceased to bestow immigration rights in 1962. Let me quote Bill Brett from when proposing a government amendment adding the 'qualifying CTA entitlement' to the Borders, Citizen and Immigration Bill (now the BCI 2009):

Our amendments also maintain the current position. At the moment, Irish nationals entering the UK from France do not have a CTA entitlement to re-enter this country. In most cases, however, they will have a right to enter under European law, and that situation will remain unchanged.

This statement is not compatible with the notion that the Irish can enter and stay in the UK because they are 'not foreign'.

[vinny]

The Qualifying CTA entitlement seems to be an irrationally convoluted concept, based on travel arrangements/routes, applied to Irish citizens who are not subject to immigration controls; possibly to people without evidence of UK entries or exits.