Permanent Resident - Annex B,Evidence that business active

[max1100]

Hello everyone,

I am collecting the documents to be enclosed in the Application form.

I am a self-employed dentist and since my arrival to the UK (over 7.5 years ago) I have been working for 2 different dental practices as an associate. I do not trade as a limited company and do not own any of the businesses!

I am now lost with :

3. Evidence that the business is/was actively trading
At least two of the following:
 copies of invoices for services provided
 contracts to provide services
 receipts for purchase of tools or business equipment
 testimonials or references from clients, with their contact details (note: we will verfy these
documents)
 examples of business advertising (such as flyers, online advertising, listing in Yellow Pages,
listing in trade magazines or on trade websites)
 any other relevant evidence.

-So firstly, they mean "at least two" per year I guess ?
-Any suggestions to what to enclose, as I do not trade directly as a business!
"Actively" trading .... I get every month a payment from the practice I work at, but I will be including that as "Proof of earnings from self-employed"

Many thanks
Max

[noajthan]

Hello everyone,

I am collecting the documents to be enclosed in the Application form.

I am a self-employed dentist and since my arrival to the UK (over 7.5 years ago) I have been working for 2 different dental practices as an associate. I do not trade as a limited company and do not own any of the businesses!

I am now lost with :

3. Evidence that the business is/was actively trading
At least two of the following:
...

-So firstly, they mean "at least two" per year I guess ?
-Any suggestions to what to enclose, as I do not trade directly as a business!
"Actively" trading .... I get every month a payment from the practice I work at, but I will be including that as "Proof of earnings from self-employed"

Many thanks
Max

You must have some sort of contract with 'employer'.
You must submit some sort of invoices.
You must have bought some sort of supplies or equipment.
Or are you really an employee but just didn't realise it?

[max1100]

Thanks.
I have a contract....
Some equipment....
So 2 per year?

I guess, and it says on the contract and on tax returns, that I am self-employed!

Many thanks noahjtan

[max1100]

Medical indemnity? Registration to Dental Council?
Courses that i paid for?

Can they be acceptable under this category ?

[noajthan]

Medical indemnity? Registration to Dental Council?
Courses that i paid for?

Can they be acceptable under this category ?

You can only use what you have got.
You need rock-solid supporting evidence as you will not be 'waved through' or given benefit of doubt.

Get up to speed on qualified persons here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _clean.pdf
- see page 18+

Pro tip: always look ahead to your next application, and the next, (in immigration context);
identify and understand requirements;
engineer your life to generate the necessary papertrail, cultivate professional contacts/referees & etc

[max1100]

Thanks Noajthan !
I will check that link

[max1100]

Hello everyone,

3. Evidence that the business is/was actively trading
At least two of the following:
 copies of invoices for services provided
 contracts to provide services
 receipts for purchase of tools or business equipment
 testimonials or references from clients, with their contact details (note: we will verfy these
documents)
 examples of business advertising (such as flyers, online advertising, listing in Yellow Pages,
listing in trade magazines or on trade websites)
 any other relevant evidence.

I wonder if this is for a limited company / business or for a self-employed. I am a provider working for a different companies...I do not do direct advertisement for example...

Also, they ask for "At least two of the following:" rather than "at least two for each relevant year". Which one should I consider ?

Thank you

[Wanderer]

Hello everyone,

3. Evidence that the business is/was actively trading
At least two of the following:
 copies of invoices for services provided
 contracts to provide services
 receipts for purchase of tools or business equipment
 testimonials or references from clients, with their contact details (note: we will verfy these
documents)
 examples of business advertising (such as flyers, online advertising, listing in Yellow Pages,
listing in trade magazines or on trade websites)
 any other relevant evidence.

I wonder if this is for a limited company / business or for a self-employed. I am a provider working for a different companies...I do not do direct advertisement for example...

Also, they ask for "At least two of the following:" rather than "at least two for each relevant year". Which one should I consider ?

Thank you

You are self employed you said so in your inital post.

Also you should be wary of IR35 (Disguised employment) too, if you are treated like an employee and working practices back that up, you should pay tax as a employer which is normally higher than self-employment.

[max1100]

Hello everyone,

3. Evidence that the business is/was actively trading
At least two of the following:
 copies of invoices for services provided
 contracts to provide services
 receipts for purchase of tools or business equipment
 testimonials or references from clients, with their contact details (note: we will verfy these
documents)
 examples of business advertising (such as flyers, online advertising, listing in Yellow Pages,
listing in trade magazines or on trade websites)
 any other relevant evidence.

I wonder if this is for a limited company / business or for a self-employed. I am a provider working for a different companies...I do not do direct advertisement for example...

Also, they ask for "At least two of the following:" rather than "at least two for each relevant year". Which one should I consider ?

Thank you

You are self employed you said so in your inital post.

Sorry I do not understand : so do I need to provide "Evidence that the business is/was actively trading" i your opinion?

Also you should be wary of IR35 (Disguised employment) too, if you are treated like an employee and working practices back that up, you should pay tax as a employer which is normally higher than self-employment.

Definitely self-employed (No benefits of employees!)

[Wanderer]

If you're are self employed you must keep records of income and expenditure and that means issuing invoices, it's not a choice, it's a legal requirment.

Also the IR35 legislation was brought in to catch those gaining a tax advantage (by claiming self-employment) when in fact they are effectively employees, ie people doing exaclty the same work as a employee in the same business.

I don't know if you are caught by this, and it's not really for this forum, but best to be aware of it.

WRT to the crux of the issue, I expect the case-workier will want to see sales invoices, purchase receipts, accounts, bank statements and records of drawing etc. I would get your accountant to provide these.

[noajthan]

If you're are self employed you must keep records of income and expenditure and that means issuing invoices, it's not a choice, it's a legal requirment.

...

WRT to the crux of the issue, I expect the case-workier will want to see sales invoices, purchase receipts, accounts, bank statements and records of drawing etc. I would get your accountant to provide these.

+1

HO won't be interested in the nuances of dental business structures and working practice.
A caseworker will simply assess and weigh up the case based on the HO guidance already posted;
so they will be looking for the types of documentation detailed in that guidance.

Pro tip: for immigration matters, always look ahead to the next application (and the next);
engineer your life so as to generate the necessary papertrail, cultivate necessary potential referees and etc.

Think of it as a documentary flossing if you will, one that relieves the risk of painful problems months or years later.

[max1100]

Thank you guys. I asked the accountant to help with the documentation too (plenty of them after all)

Although the topic in here is to prove 7.5 + year of permanent residence, I can confirm that I am self-employed (as much as I would like to enjoy benefits of employment like job-security or in case of illness, paternity leave, etc. - but I am afraid I don't!). Thanks for mentioning it though!


Noajthan, I always like your metaphors....after the ducks, now the flossing

In regards to the HO guidance, they mention "At least two of the following:" rather than "at least two for each relevant year". I know it is safer to do 2x year (I am always doing 3) but...

thank you in advance