Foreign Birth Registration?

[bluemoon2]

19 months ago application submitted , still in process , bastards are even not rejecting application to finish the play .

Yes... same here... they are not accepting and rejecting... just holding in air... there is no process of escalation unfortunately....

Did you give you any particular reason for delaying ?

Nope. they are saying since 9 months that it is under management review and we are checking the documents. did they provide you any particular reason?

Since March 2018 they are saying to me , we are consulting / inquiring with other Irish departments , I have no objection for their consultation as they can consult with anyone they want , my concern is time they are spending on consultation , in these days fast communication systems you can not spend 5 months in consultation , last Wednesday I was told same consultation process is ongoing .

[da_strike]

I thought I would post the timeline for my successful FBR application, in case there is anyone else waiting in similar circumstances to me (British citizen resident in Spain).

October 11th 2017: Online application submitted credit card payment made. The same day, I handed in all the supporting documentation by hand at the Irish embassy in Madrid. The man there checked all the documents and told me that my birth certificate was the “short form” one, not the “long form” one needed for the application. He told me that I could come back when I had the correct birth certificate and it would not delay the process. I asked him how long it might take and his exact words were: “At least six months. We’ve been inundated with applications from people like you” (British citizens living in Spain).

October 18th 2017: One week later, I handed in the correct birth certificate, which had arrived from the UK, at the embassy.

Nothing. Until…

July 4th 2018: I received an e-mail from the Irish Embassy in Madrid confirming that my application had been approved and that I would receive the certificate, along with all the original documents, in the following days.

July 12th 2018: The certificate arrived at my address in Madrid with passport application form and all original supporting documents. The date of registry in the FBR was June 19th 2018.

In total, eight months from application to entry in the registry. It is possible that my application may have taken longer due to the fact that my mother changed her name in the 1970s before I was born. Luckily, she did it by deed poll and had all the original documents (my mother's name on the FBR certificate is her birth name, not her current one).

I hope this info might be useful for anybody else in a similar situation, and good luck to all applying!

Aidan

[mattskilondon]

Posting my experience of the FBR in case it helps others in similar circumstances. My mother was born to an Irish father, but was then adopted by her maternal (English) grandparents. I applied through London (UK citizen and resident) on 3 July 2017 and received confirmation via email of Irish citizenship through FBR on 18 July 2018, i.e. 1 year and 2 weeks.

3 July 2017: submit online and send docs to London Embassy
11 October 2017: request from DFA for copy of court order relating to my mother's adoption (in 1941). This could not be sourced, but working through an adoption agency, I managed to get confirmation from the courts service of the lineage from my grandfather to my mother. This was a long process that needed a lot of pushing, and basically held things up for 6 months.
24 April 2018: confirmation of lineage from courts service forwarded to DFA
2 July 2018: requested update from DFA on progress
3 July 2018: email received from DFA confirming application still in process in Dublin
18 July 2018: confirmation of Irish citizenship through FBR received by email, and awaiting certificate and return of docs (stated as 2-3 weeks).

I hope that is of use/interest.

[james_mcfc]

Hi folks, I've submitted my FBR application (on the basis of my Irish grandparent) and will hopefully be posting all of the documents to the London embassy on Tuesday. Excited to finally be on the road to Irish citizenship after a good few years of meaning to do it

I've double and triple checked my documents and hopefully they don't need anything else from me; hoping I'm entered onto the register in time for me to have a passport by Brexit day!

[Mak2386]

Yes... same here... they are not accepting and rejecting... just holding in air... there is no process of escalation unfortunately....

Did you give you any particular reason for delaying ?

Nope. they are saying since 9 months that it is under management review and we are checking the documents. did they provide you any particular reason?

Since March 2018 they are saying to me , we are consulting / inquiring with other Irish departments , I have no objection for their consultation as they can consult with anyone they want , my concern is time they are spending on consultation , in these days fast communication systems you can not spend 5 months in consultation , last Wednesday I was told same consultation process is ongoing .

I have called them again today.... still same update.. under management review... and they dont know how much time more they need.... its totally a .................K

[bluemoon2]

Did you give you any particular reason for delaying ?

Nope. they are saying since 9 months that it is under management review and we are checking the documents. did they provide you any particular reason?

Since March 2018 they are saying to me , we are consulting / inquiring with other Irish departments , I have no objection for their consultation as they can consult with anyone they want , my concern is time they are spending on consultation , in these days fast communication systems you can not spend 5 months in consultation , last Wednesday I was told same consultation process is ongoing .

I have called them again today.... still same update.. under management review... and they dont know how much time more they need.... its totally a .................K

Mak , what base you applied on ? Irish Born parents or Irish born grandparents ?

[Mak2386]

Nope. they are saying since 9 months that it is under management review and we are checking the documents. did they provide you any particular reason?

Since March 2018 they are saying to me , we are consulting / inquiring with other Irish departments , I have no objection for their consultation as they can consult with anyone they want , my concern is time they are spending on consultation , in these days fast communication systems you can not spend 5 months in consultation , last Wednesday I was told same consultation process is ongoing .

I have called them again today.... still same update.. under management review... and they dont know how much time more they need.... its totally a .................K

Mak , what base you applied on ? Irish Born parents or Irish born grandparents ?

Heyy.. I applied based on Irish Grand parents.... all documents has been submitted almost 11 months ago. i dont know what they are checking.. still under review and same stupid reason. i dont know what to do. even they told me last time.. dont call us.. we will call you if we need anything from you ..... no words

[bluemoon2]

Since March 2018 they are saying to me , we are consulting / inquiring with other Irish departments , I have no objection for their consultation as they can consult with anyone they want , my concern is time they are spending on consultation , in these days fast communication systems you can not spend 5 months in consultation , last Wednesday I was told same consultation process is ongoing .

I have called them again today.... still same update.. under management review... and they dont know how much time more they need.... its totally a .................K

Mak , what base you applied on ? Irish Born parents or Irish born grandparents ?

Heyy.. I applied based on Irish Grand parents.... all documents has been submitted almost 11 months ago. i dont know what they are checking.. still under review and same stupid reason. i dont know what to do. even they told me last time.. dont call us.. we will call you if we need anything from you ..... no words

Very strange , I thought you might have non white naturalized Irish citizenship link as mostly people from this class are victims of discrimination by dfa , don,t worry you will get it soon , I bet you soon you will get it.

[Mak2386]

I have called them again today.... still same update.. under management review... and they dont know how much time more they need.... its totally a .................K

Mak , what base you applied on ? Irish Born parents or Irish born grandparents ?

Heyy.. I applied based on Irish Grand parents.... all documents has been submitted almost 11 months ago. i dont know what they are checking.. still under review and same stupid reason. i dont know what to do. even they told me last time.. dont call us.. we will call you if we need anything from you ..... no words

Very strange , I thought you might have non white naturalized Irish citizenship link as mostly people from this class are victims of discrimination by dfa , don,t worry you will get it soon , I bet you soon you will get it.

you are absolutely right... I have non white irish grand parents...could be one of the reason for delay.... i am feeling sorry for myself,. still the world is like this.. and thanks for encouraging me , i hope you too will get the result soon and will share your success story.. Thanks

[Kev918]

Although I posted my FRB timeline earlier, I thought I'd share my entire experience from FBR to passport, which I happily received today.

When I first applied for Irish citizenship, I was told it would take at least 6 months plus another 8 weeks or more to get my passport due to volume. Overall, my experience was both rather painless and a bit faster than anticipated. But based on all of the postings I've been reading over the past several months, two things stood out. One, timelines have been generally getting shorter, and two, both timelines and communications appear to be dependent on where the applications were originally processed.

For example, applying directly to the DFA in Dublin from the USA, I didn't receive any communications by email or otherwise about my FBR application status, unless I requested it or I was missing a document. I never received a notice that my application was approved. I just got the FBR in the post. Same for my passport, although I was able to track that progress online.

In any event, here's my total timeline:
January 31, 2018: FBR application received at DFA in Dublin.
May 11, 2018: Entry of foreign birth registry.
May 29, 2018: I received my FBR under a cover letter dated May 18, 2018 along with all of the original documents I had submitted with my application.
May 31, 2018: Passport application received by Irish Consulate in New York City.
June 7, 2018: Passport application appeared in passport tracking system.
July 16, 2018: Passport issued and printed.
July 27, 2018: Received my Irish passport via FedEx package from Irish Consulate in New York City.

So all told, from the date my Irish citizenship application/FBR was received in DFA until getting my Irish passport in hand, was just a few days under 6 months! And that included at least a one week delay for an additional document request for the FBR. I should mention that I had my passport application sent to me before getting my FBR and that I had my passport photos all prepared so when I did receive my FBR, all I had to do was package up all the necessary documents and send it overnight to the Irish Consulate.

FYI...I applied through descent as my paternal grandparents were born and married in Ireland.

As I said, overall, a very good experience and a great outcome!

Good luck everyone!

[bluemoon2]

Mak , what base you applied on ? Irish Born parents or Irish born grandparents ?

Heyy.. I applied based on Irish Grand parents.... all documents has been submitted almost 11 months ago. i dont know what they are checking.. still under review and same stupid reason. i dont know what to do. even they told me last time.. dont call us.. we will call you if we need anything from you ..... no words

Very strange , I thought you might have non white naturalized Irish citizenship link as mostly people from this class are victims of discrimination by dfa , don,t worry you will get it soon , I bet you soon you will get it.

you are absolutely right... I have non white irish grand parents...could be one of the reason for delay.... i am feeling sorry for myself,. still the world is like this.. and thanks for encouraging me , i hope you too will get the result soon and will share your success story.. Thanks

Here we go mate , when I replied you earlier I thought why haven,t you got your fbr sorted in 11 months even you applied through white Irish born grandparent as dfa really care about them and try to finish all process for them in 3/4 months , now you gave me the answer , you have non white Irish grandparents you applied through their link


there are many Donald trump style bureaucratics in Irish bureaucracy who don,t like us in Ireland , what a hypocrisy they have , pretending to fight for equality everywhere in all Irish departments and society , small people with big liar mouths .

[Mak2386]

Heyy.. I applied based on Irish Grand parents.... all documents has been submitted almost 11 months ago. i dont know what they are checking.. still under review and same stupid reason. i dont know what to do. even they told me last time.. dont call us.. we will call you if we need anything from you ..... no words

Very strange , I thought you might have non white naturalized Irish citizenship link as mostly people from this class are victims of discrimination by dfa , don,t worry you will get it soon , I bet you soon you will get it.

you are absolutely right... I have non white irish grand parents...could be one of the reason for delay.... i am feeling sorry for myself,. still the world is like this.. and thanks for encouraging me , i hope you too will get the result soon and will share your success story.. Thanks

Here we go mate , when I replied you earlier I thought why haven,t you got your fbr sorted in 11 months even you applied through white Irish born grandparent as dfa really care about them and try to finish all process for them in 3/4 months , now you gave me the answer , you have non white Irish grandparents you applied through their link


there are many Donald trump style bureaucratics in Irish bureaucracy who don,t like us in Ireland , what a hypocrisy they have , pretending to fight for equality everywhere in all Irish departments and society , small people with big liar mouths .

you are absolutely right.... i think this is the reason... they are just checking documents more then 11 months. ( i am curious how long they will take)..... unfortunately, there is no escalation process

[lwillia89]

My Foreign Birth Certificate has finally come through! I submitted my application to the Embassy in London, so just to give some up to date timelines from the UK.

For background, I applied through my Grandfather, who passed away last year, and the Embassy did not require any further documentation.

Some dates:

Submitted: 26.01.2018
Received: 29.01.2018
After e-mailing the DFA, they confirmed that my had been put forward for approval: 13.06.2018
Received: 28.07.2018

Application was dated 15th June, but was not received until the end of July. I have already submitted my passport application (which I was told to submit straight to the passport office in Cork). The DFA's website currently says 62 working days for a UK application, but as this one is going to Cork directly (not London), hoping turnaround will be quicker.

[PasadenaTom]

After e-mailing the DFA, they confirmed that my had been put forward for approval: 13.06.2018
Received: 28.07.2018

Application was dated 15th June, but was not received until the end of July.

I am assuming that you mean that your FBR certificate was dated 15th June.

Considering that your application receipt date was two days earlier than Kev918, it's puzzling that your application took about two months longer to process.

In any event, here's my total timeline:
January 31, 2018: FBR application received at DFA in Dublin.
May 11, 2018: Entry of foreign birth registry.
May 29, 2018: I received my FBR under a cover letter dated May 18, 2018 along with all of the original documents I had submitted with my application.

I wonder if submitting through London introduces some delay. Were the returned documents sent via London?

Or was there something about your documentation that you think may have resulted in additional review?

[Koolboy]

I applied for FBR on 16th July 2018 and sent my documents on 16 July 2018. which received by embassy in London on the 17 July 2018. I haven't received any acknowledgement by email as they usually send. today I called Irish embassy London and spoke to a very friendly lady. she told me that due to Large numbers of applications, they are not sending any acknowledgement emails. They will only contact the applicant if they require any additional or missing information. And time frame can be more than 6 months as they will be closing for some holidays. So good luck to everyone who is waiting for their certificate and congratulation to those who already got their. I will keep updating. Bye

[jpcti]

Applied for FBR based on Irish born grandparents (used grandfather), both of whom were born in 1891 and emigrated to USA in 1911 (on the Lusitania...!!!)... Timeline was as follows:

Dec 2017 document gathering and application completed with photos and witness signatures
Jan 09 2018 completed and paid and documents mailed with receipt proof. Proof delivered Dublin Jan 12
April 24, FBR and documents returned with FBR dated April 10

My documentation was meticulous, I made sure I had everything and it all crosschecked and met all requirements, even included a note explaining why my grandfather and father had no middle name on their birth certificate and later have middle names on several documents. Only issue I could not explain (and was never questioned..) was my grandfather birthday was the 14th on his Irish birth certificate and the 15th on all USA documents...no clue why other than the USA naturalization people misunderstood his Irish accent in recording his birth day for USA citizenship though they got the month correct... . I was never questioned by anyone nor did I ever receive any acknowledgements.

With the FBR I applied for my Irish passport and from start to finish that process took 5 weeks and 2 days.

So best of luck to all of you, I am still walking on air that I can retire this year and live in the EU and my only regret is that my grandparents, who were UK subjects when they left their homeland, and my father (born in USA in 1929), are no longer living and could not share in my Irish citizenship recognition.

[Mak2386]

Very strange , I thought you might have non white naturalized Irish citizenship link as mostly people from this class are victims of discrimination by dfa , don,t worry you will get it soon , I bet you soon you will get it.

you are absolutely right... I have non white irish grand parents...could be one of the reason for delay.... i am feeling sorry for myself,. still the world is like this.. and thanks for encouraging me , i hope you too will get the result soon and will share your success story.. Thanks

Here we go mate , when I replied you earlier I thought why haven,t you got your fbr sorted in 11 months even you applied through white Irish born grandparent as dfa really care about them and try to finish all process for them in 3/4 months , now you gave me the answer , you have non white Irish grandparents you applied through their link


there are many Donald trump style bureaucratics in Irish bureaucracy who don,t like us in Ireland , what a hypocrisy they have , pretending to fight for equality everywhere in all Irish departments and society , small people with big liar mouths .

you are absolutely right.... i think this is the reason... they are just checking documents more then 11 months. ( i am curious how long they will take)..... unfortunately, there is no escalation process

Hey Bluemoon....
did you get any feedback or update.
i have called them today and got same response.

[Lynn11]

I got my Irish passport today! Here is the info (slightly off topic but I'm sure still relevant to you all):

I'm in the US. I went to the NYC Consulate in person, dropped off application (they did not retain any of my original docs except the application and photos, they just verified and copied the birth cert., FRB, etc.) They did contact my witness within a day to verify the application.

June 14 dropped application off in person NYC Consulate.
June 18th my application showed up on the online tracking (it took a few days)
My status bar progressed pretty normally, every day it progressed until....
July 26th "Printing" stage
July 27th "Dispatched" stage
I paid the fee to have it sent to me from the Consulate rather than in person pickup (it looks like Dublin prints them and sends to the appropriate consulate and then the consulate mails or has in person pickup), it arrived today 8/8 to my home in the NYC suburbs via Fed Ex - they did require signature, thankfully I was home. Just under 8 weeks from application (in person) to delivery.

Best of luck to everyone on this forum! Slainte!

[bluemoon2]

you are absolutely right... I have non white irish grand parents...could be one of the reason for delay.... i am feeling sorry for myself,. still the world is like this.. and thanks for encouraging me , i hope you too will get the result soon and will share your success story.. Thanks

Here we go mate , when I replied you earlier I thought why haven,t you got your fbr sorted in 11 months even you applied through white Irish born grandparent as dfa really care about them and try to finish all process for them in 3/4 months , now you gave me the answer , you have non white Irish grandparents you applied through their link


there are many Donald trump style bureaucratics in Irish bureaucracy who don,t like us in Ireland , what a hypocrisy they have , pretending to fight for equality everywhere in all Irish departments and society , small people with big liar mouths .

you are absolutely right.... i think this is the reason... they are just checking documents more then 11 months. ( i am curious how long they will take)..... unfortunately, there is no escalation process

Hey Bluemoon....
did you get any feedback or update.
i have called them today and got same response.

No , I did not get any update sadly , planning to get them to court now to produce a decision, let’s see what my solicitor advise me when I see her in next few days as I am process of getting an appointment, what a pitty I need to go to court for a decision ? 18 months and no decision, what a disgrace thing .

[PasadenaTom]

Could the two of you consider not quoting so much of each other's posts, or consider breaking your conversation into a separate thread? The FBR thread is already 36 pages long. Quoting large portions makes it longer, which causes a lot of scrolling for everyone else. Thanks for giving it consideration.

[dmf90]

Hi guys, I've been following this thread for a few months now just to keep track of others progress.

I'm very stressed, I'm travelling Asia (Currently in South Korea) and I've received an email from the DFA dated 08/08/2018 asking for "Certified photographic identification for both Mother and Applicant as neither identifications were signed or dated by a valid witness from our list of approved professionals".

I wasn't aware the witness had to sign the photocopies of the passports?! Where does it state this, anyone know? I followed the guidelines:
✓ Fully complete Section E of your application form - 'Certificate of Identity'
✓ Sign your two passport-sized photographs (if under 18, parent must also sign the photographs)
✓ Witness you signing Section D of your application form
✓ Indicate on the form specifically whether they personally know you, or otherwise that you have been identified by a third party known to them.
✓ Provide a business/work address and contact number. Private addresses for witnessed are not accepted.

To make things more complicated, I've been given 28 days to sort this and I'm not going to be back in the UK until Mid October and my witness has moved church. Arghhh nightmare.

[PasadenaTom]

I've received an email from the DFA dated 08/08/2018 asking for "Certified photographic identification for both Mother and Applicant as neither identifications were signed or dated by a valid witness from our list of approved professionals".

I wasn't aware the witness had to sign the photocopies of the passports?! Where does it state this, anyone know? I

Sorry you missed it. But it is stated here in section 2. You must supply the following for yourself and your mother:

"Certified/Notarised copy of the photograph page of current passport or state issued identity document"

I don't think that means they need to be certified/notarised by the same person who witnessed your application (I hope not, because I used a notary for my passport copy, and an attorney to witness the application). I'd suggest you ask DFA. But my assumption is correct, I would think you would be able to do that without returning to the UK.

When did you apply? I am curious because I am wondering if my using a notary that was not my application witness will be an issue.

[Lynn11]

PasadenaTom, you're as stressed out about the process as I was, haha. I am still getting the notifications on here to my email and figured I could let you know in my experience, I had a different person (notary) witness my/my mother's IDs and an attorney witness my application and photos and it was totally fine that the same person didn't do both, I got my FBR cert without any questions or need to clarify. You should be fine

[PasadenaTom]

PasadenaTom, you're as stressed out about the process as I was, haha.

You are right about that!

Thanks for confirming that my assumption about the passport copies was correct and should cause me no problems. And thank you for your other helpful posts.

I expect this should also be helpful to dmf90. The UK embassy in Seoul states that it will make a certified copy of a UK passport. That might alleviate some of the stress of that 28 day deadline.

[jpauls]

Hi all, I've been following this thread for a while and decided to post my own update.

After a few trips to Ireland, I knew I needed to apply for my citizenship to one day live in that beautiful country! Upon returning from my most recent trip in May, I began gathering all of the necessary documents to apply via my maternal grandma (which was a pain since the only one I actually owned was my birth certificate). At the end of June, I received notice that my final document necessary was on it's way.

6/26/2018 -- filled out online application, paid fee
7/2/2018 -- mailed application to Dublin registered mail from the Carolinas
7/12/2018 -- DFA emailed confirmation of receipt of application

And now....I wait! I'm hopeful I'll have my certificate in my hands by Christmas

I'll update as I hear things as I know reading all these timelines has really helped ease my own anxitey!