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Most unfortunate.happy4ever wrote:My Son is 9 years old held a 5 year noon EEA family member visa. Before expiring I've tried to renew but it was denied on basis that now, me (his mother) became a British Citizen. Therefore UK Law applies.
Now I'd like to apply for ILR but the Home Office has kept his passport.
My son has lived here for 7 years. The whole family has got British citizenship apart from him.
Please help. Does he need a visa before applying for ILR? please?
Son will need to have been in UK on UK visa (5 years) before he can get ILR.happy4ever wrote:thank you for your replay here are more information.
I've been naturalised for 3 years.
No, by the time I naturalised my son had been here for 4 years on noon EEA family member visa.
Also I've applied for his British Citizenship together with mine, but his was denied because he was out of the country at the time of the application.
He has no father on his birth certificate so his father nationality wouldn't make any difference.
Now do you think I can apply for a ILR and been successful?
So do you know what visa should I apply for him please?noajthan wrote:Son will need to have been in UK on UK visa (5 years) before he can get ILR.happy4ever wrote:thank you for your replay here are more information.
I've been naturalised for 3 years.
No, by the time I naturalised my son had been here for 4 years on noon EEA family member visa.
Also I've applied for his British Citizenship together with mine, but his was denied because he was out of the country at the time of the application.
He has no father on his birth certificate so his father nationality wouldn't make any difference.
Now do you think I can apply for a ILR and been successful?
Does anyone in the family still have an EEA nationality? If, on 16 October 2012, your son had a residence card, or had applied for one that he ultimately received, or had arrived in the UK using a 'family permit', and the EEA national whose family member he was is still alive and has remained an EEA national, then EEA free movement law still applies.happy4ever wrote:My Son is 9 years old held a 5 year noon EEA family member visa. Before expiring I've tried to renew but it was denied on basis that now, me (his mother) became a British Citizen. Therefore UK Law applies.
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My son has lived here for 7 years. The whole family has got British citizenship apart from him.
Unfortunately...Richard W wrote:Does anyone in the family still have an EEA nationality? If, on 16 October 2012, your son had a residence card, or had applied for one that he ultimately received, or had arrived in the UK using a 'family permit', and the EEA national whose family member he was is still alive and has remained an EEA national, then EEA free movement law still applies.happy4ever wrote:My Son is 9 years old held a 5 year noon EEA family member visa. Before expiring I've tried to renew but it was denied on basis that now, me (his mother) became a British Citizen. Therefore UK Law applies.
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My son has lived here for 7 years. The whole family has got British citizenship apart from him.
Unless you were that national, your becoming British should have had no effect on your son's application for a new residence card.
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The son had a "non-EEA family member visa" which seems to have recently expired. He holds a passport. Now, while it is possible that the mother had been an EEA dual national (but not British) but had not transmitted her EEA nationality to her son, I was wondering if he had been sponsored by a stepfather.noajthan wrote:Unfortunately...Richard W wrote: ....
Unless you were that national, your becoming British should have had no effect on your son's application for a new residence card.
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- No father.
The whole family has got British citizenship apart from son;
No mention of child having RC as EFM of anyone else (why would they have one);
Yes my son had a non EEA family member visa which expired. No I dont hold an EEA nationality. When I applied for my son's visa I was holding a PR visa at the time (after my divorce).Richard W wrote:The son had a "non-EEA family member visa" which seems to have recently expired. He holds a passport. Now, while it is possible that the mother had been an EEA dual national (but not British) but had not transmitted her EEA nationality to her son, I was wondering if he had been sponsored by a stepfather.noajthan wrote:Unfortunately...Richard W wrote: ....
Unless you were that national, your becoming British should have had no effect on your son's application for a new residence card.
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- No father.
The whole family has got British citizenship apart from son;
No mention of child having RC as EFM of anyone else (why would they have one);
What was nationality of your joint sponsor? (ex-husband? / step-father?)happy4ever wrote:Yes my son had a non EEA family member visa which expired. No I dont hold an EEA nationality. When I applied for my son's visa I was holding a PR visa at the time (after my divorce).
There was never a joint sponsor it was just me (mother) I acquitted my PR after my divorce. The time I've applied for my son non EEA family member visa.noajthan wrote:What was nationality of your joint sponsor? (ex-husband? / step-father?)happy4ever wrote:Yes my son had a non EEA family member visa which expired. No I dont hold an EEA nationality. When I applied for my son's visa I was holding a PR visa at the time (after my divorce).
Was son dependent on this person when son's original RC was issued?
What is relation/connection of son to this person now?
What is nationality/immigration status and location of this person now?
So where is the Union citizen in all of this? There must have been one at some time.happy4ever wrote:There was never a joint sponsor it was just me (mother) I acquitted my PR after my divorce. The time I've applied for my son non EEA family member visa.
After a divorce my ex nationality or his where abouts changes nothing.
My ex husband was EEA citizen which I've divorced more than 10 years ago. Like I mention before my son hasn't got a father on his birth certificate.noajthan wrote:So where is the Union citizen in all of this? There must have been one at some time.happy4ever wrote:There was never a joint sponsor it was just me (mother) I acquitted my PR after my divorce. The time I've applied for my son non EEA family member visa.
After a divorce my ex nationality or his where abouts changes nothing.
The point is, if there is a Union citizen and he has any relationship to son then that's your last chance for son on EU route.
Otherwise you're back to switching son to UK visa route. Either from in-country or from some home country.
On what basis did you acquire your PR? Was it solely on the basis of your first husband being a qualified person, or was it partly on the basis of your being like a qualified person? For example, you may have got PR by working after the divorce.happy4ever wrote:There was never a joint sponsor it was just me (mother) I acquitted my PR after my divorce. The time I've applied for my son non EEA family member visa.
Well soon after I was married with ex I was on non EEA family member, then divorced, then right of residency, then I got my PR. I didnt know that my PR couldnt not pass to my son at all. Even though the Home Office issued him a non EEA family member visa. My son was born in 2006 and I got divorced in 2008, but by that time me and my ex were separated and my son stayed with my mom back home until I sorted this situation out.Richard W wrote:On what basis did you acquire your PR? Was it solely on the basis of your first husband being a qualified person, or was it partly on the basis of your being like a qualified person? For example, you may have got PR by working after the divorce.happy4ever wrote:There was never a joint sponsor it was just me (mother) I acquitted my PR after my divorce. The time I've applied for my son non EEA family member visa.
On what basis was your son allowed into the UK seven years ago? If I understand you correctly, you had no evidence of PR at the time. Did he have a 'family permit'? Did he have a settlement visa? Did he have some other type of visa? Was he allowed in because the immigration office thought you were still married to your first husband?
Now, if your son had been born before your divorce, and living in the UK at the time, he would have had a 'retained right of residence', and so would have been allowed to enter without any stamp in his passport. However, I'm wondering if he might have been treated that way for some reason. If he did have a retained right of residence, and you have remained a 'worker' since the divorce, he may well have achieved PR.
Why did you think your son was entitled to renew his residence card? A non-EEA national's having permanent residence does not entitle his family members to reside in the UK.
If you must use the UK immigration route, the only way within the rules I can see for your son to stay in the UK requires him to temporarily leave the UK. From abroad, he can then apply for indefinite leave to enter (ILE) - this gives him ILR as soon as he is admitted to the UK.
I've applied to renew his non EEA family member which was denied. It took 6 months to get a response, I entered with a appeal and just lost his appeal about 2 weeks ago.noajthan wrote:Unclear how son was issued with RC in the first place.
Its unclear who son's EEA sponsor was as you were already divorced when son came to UK.
Someone with ROR (eg you) retains residence on a personal basis. They cannot sponsor other family members.
In any case a RC is not a visa.
It seems likely son's RC was issued in error and son has been an overstayer since the initial visit visa expired.
It's unclear how you could apply with any real confidence to register son as a citizen without him having settled status, as for a foreign-born child, registration is at discretion of Home Secretary under s 3(1) of BNA;
child's future is expected to be in UK and settled status is normally required.
Did question of first RC come up?happy4ever wrote:I've applied to renew his non EEA family member which was denied. It took 6 months to get a response, I entered with a appeal and just lost his appeal about 2 weeks ago.
So yes is overstaying for 2 weeks!
No. Not at all. My son did not leave as he is back to school.noajthan wrote:Did question of first RC come up?happy4ever wrote:I've applied to renew his non EEA family member which was denied. It took 6 months to get a response, I entered with a appeal and just lost his appeal about 2 weeks ago.
So yes is overstaying for 2 weeks!
Its hard to see on what basis it was issued to start son off on EU migration route.
Son may not have had any leave since visit visa expired.
It seems as though someone were following free-movement directive, Directive 2004/38/EC, rather than the (British) EEA Regulations! The son was born a family member of the OP's first husband, and all that's stopped him retaining a right of residence is that he wasn't residing in the UK when the divorce occurred (Regulation 10(5)(b)). Regulation 10(5)(b) has to be deduced from the general tenor of the directive; the requirement is not there explicitly in the directive (and I'm not sure it's there at all).noajthan wrote:Unclear how son was issued with RC in the first place.
Its unclear who son's EEA sponsor was as you were already divorced when son came to UK.
Someone with ROR (eg you) retains residence on a personal basis. They cannot sponsor other family members.
English is confusing here. The noun leave can also mean 'permission', and in this context it refers to permission to remain or permission to enter. EU immigration law generally works in terms of rights, while British immigration law generally works in terms of permissions.happy4ever wrote:No. Not at all. My son did not leave as he is back to school.
Regulation 10 can be availed by family member of a Non EEA national who qualifies for residence under Regulation 10.noajthan wrote:Unclear how son was issued with RC in the first place.
Its unclear who son's EEA sponsor was as you were already divorced when son came to UK.
Someone with ROR (eg you) retains residence on a personal basis. They cannot sponsor other family members.