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Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by dangerboy » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:07 am

I have my uncle and aunt residing in the UK as permanent citizens. I wish to go to the UK for my MS in Computer Science. However looking at the fees for international student (me being an Indian citizen) I was baffled as they charge quite high tuition fees. But I read on UK Visa and Immigration site that I can get a UK resident card qualifying as an EFM to an UK national which has 5 year validity. So I wanted to know whether I would then be charged 'home' fees if I go to the UK for study with this residence card. There is info. about this on their website but it seemed quite confusing to me. Can anyone answer my doubt?

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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by Casa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:31 am

How are you going to prove that you are dependent on your Uncle and Aunt before coming to the UK? Have you been relying on their financial support while you are living in India?

I believe you will find that even direct family members of an EEA citizen will need 3 years of residence before qualifying for home fees.
You would be an extended family member.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by secret.simon » Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:35 am

You most likely do not qualify as an EEA-EFM.

To start with, the sponsor (your uncle and aunt) must be non-British EEA citizens. It is unclear if that is the case.

Secondly, you need to demonstrate that you are dependent on them.

Do you meet these two criteria? Then we can explore your situation further.

I did a university course while working in the UK and I was charged the full overseas rate, even though I was in the UK on a work visa.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by noajthan » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:27 am

See UKCISA website regarding fee status but, as intimated above, it appears you are unlikely to be categorised as an EFM of an EEA national.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by dangerboy » Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:59 am

Casa wrote:How are you going to prove that you are dependent on your Uncle and Aunt before coming to the UK? Have you been relying on their financial support while you are living in India?

I believe you will find that even direct family members of an EEA citizen will need 3 years of residence before qualifying for home fees.
You would be an extended family member.
For proving to be a dependent, can't I show that they are sponsoring my MS?

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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by Casa » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:08 pm

NO. You need to prove that you are relying on their financial support for your day to day living costs in India. Stumping up the fees for your Computer course doesn't equate to dependence as an extended family member.

It's simply showing generosity as your Uncle and Aunt. :idea:
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by CR001 » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:09 pm

dangerboy wrote:
Casa wrote:For proving to be a dependent, can't I show that they are sponsoring my MS?
No.

What are your uncle and aunts nationalities??

When you say 'UK Permanent Residence', do you mean ILR?
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by noajthan » Tue Nov 08, 2016 12:13 pm

dangerboy wrote:For proving to be a dependent, can't I show that they are sponsoring my MS?
To get a steer on what an EFM is (and what dependency actually means) in the EU migration context see:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... als_v3.pdf

Note there is no UK resident card available to the EFM of an UK national unless such a sponsor has undergone the SS route.
And even that route is just about to be barred to EFMs.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by dangerboy » Mon Nov 14, 2016 3:54 pm

CR001 wrote:
dangerboy wrote:
Casa wrote:For proving to be a dependent, can't I show that they are sponsoring my MS?
No.

What are your uncle and aunts nationalities??

When you say 'UK Permanent Residence', do you mean ILR?
They have dual citizenships of both India and the UK.

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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by CR001 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:02 pm

dangerboy wrote:They have dual citizenships of both India and the UK.
India doesn't allow dual citizenship. So which one is it?

It they are British, they cannot sponsor anyone for EEA FM.

If they are India with Indefinite Leave to Remain, they cannot sponsor you at all.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by noajthan » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:04 pm

British citizens cannot normally sponsor family members on EU migration route as the British citizen is not treated as an EEA national in this context.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by secret.simon » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:50 pm

CR001 wrote:
dangerboy wrote:They have dual citizenships of both India and the UK.
India doesn't allow dual citizenship. So which one is it?
India does not allow dual citizenship. I am guessing that the OP meant British citizenship with OCI.

If s/he means Indian citizenship with ILR, then they have absolutely no scope of sponsoring you at all as they are not EEA citizens at all.

To the OP, British citizens can not sponsor EFMs, even on the Surinder Singh route.

Only non-British EEA citizens residing in the UK can do so.

However, if they are willing, they can move to the Netherlands or Germany and exercise treaty rights there (typically by working) and then sponsor you to that country (not the UK). Many reputable universities in the EU, particularly the Netherlands and Germany, teach in English and you may wish to look at their courses. They are cheaper than the UK too.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by CR001 » Mon Nov 14, 2016 4:54 pm

secret.simon wrote:However, if they are willing, they can move to the Netherlands or Germany and exercise treaty rights there (typically by working) and then sponsor you to that country (not the UK). Many reputable universities in the EU, particularly the Netherlands and Germany, teach in English and you may wish to look at their courses. They are cheaper than the UK too.
Still challenging and difficult given that OP is an extended family member of his aunt and uncle.
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Re: Application as 'Home' Student on EEA-EFM Resident Card

Post by dangerboy » Mon Nov 14, 2016 5:21 pm

secret.simon wrote:
CR001 wrote:
dangerboy wrote:They have dual citizenships of both India and the UK.
India doesn't allow dual citizenship. So which one is it?
India does not allow dual citizenship. I am guessing that the OP meant British citizenship with OCI.

If s/he means Indian citizenship with ILR, then they have absolutely no scope of sponsoring you at all as they are not EEA citizens at all.

To the OP, British citizens can not sponsor EFMs, even on the Surinder Singh route.

Only non-British EEA citizens residing in the UK can do so.

However, if they are willing, they can move to the Netherlands or Germany and exercise treaty rights there (typically by working) and then sponsor you to that country (not the UK). Many reputable universities in the EU, particularly the Netherlands and Germany, teach in English and you may wish to look at their courses. They are cheaper than the UK too.
Thanks for the advice and clearing out my doubt. But I would rather pay international fees than disturbing someone's lives by asking them to move somewhere.

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