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loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:10 pm

Please I need urgent help!!!
My wife has lost her chance to apply for PR ( she was here on EEA family permit) as I became British citizen this year. I called Home Office and they told me that we are no longer under EU low but UK low now and she has to leave UK to apply for spouse visa and re enter UK again.
But truly She can't leave as we have 2 years old daughter who has allergy problems and is still being breastfed. My daughter is also British Citizen.
please can anybody tell me how she could apply from inside UK and not outside.
She is from Ukraine and if she takes our child there where is general unrest due to war.

Please can you help me and advise on how to apply from inside UK

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 5:54 pm

I mean not EU family permit, but EU family member residence document for 5 years. Sorry for confusion

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by seagul » Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:11 pm

Were you an EU national and have you given up your EU nationality upon British nationalization??
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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by CR001 » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:44 pm

What date did she apply for her residence card?
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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:12 am

She has not replied for PR yet. But she obtained 5 year residence in 2013.

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:13 am

I have not given my EU as I still hold my original first citizenship of EU country.

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by CR001 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:33 am

What date did she APPLY for the card??

The reason I asked the date was due to the transitional provisions in place for RC applications before 16th July 2012, which you clearly missed.

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:52 pm

Yes It is true. I agree. What to do to apply from inside for spouse visa now ?

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:46 pm

I found that if she wants to apply for a spouse visa in the UK then she needs to be on entry visa like 6 months.
The thing is that she has EEA residence permit which will end in June but home Office said it is no longer valid and she has to leave to apply from outside and re enter.
Can she apply for spouse visa in the UK without leaving the country somehow?

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Richard W » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:55 pm

CR001 wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:33 am
The reason I asked the date was due to the transitional provisions in place for RC applications before 16th July 2012, which you clearly missed.
That's not right. That is the deadline for a successful application for a family permit; an application for a family permit is successful if an entry is made within 6 months of the date of issue. It's possible that Navaro2's wife met that deadline.

Otherwise, for the benefit of others, the basic requirement is to have had a right of residence on that date. If it was a right of permanent residence, that suffices. Otherwise, there is also the requirement that a residence card must have been successfully applied for by 16 October 2012. The provisions are Schedule 6 Paragraph 9.

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Richard W » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:17 pm

Navaro2 wrote:
Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:46 pm
I found that if she wants to apply for a spouse visa in the UK then she needs to be on entry visa like 6 months.
The thing is that she has EEA residence permit which will end in June but home Office said it is no longer valid and she has to leave to apply from outside and re enter.
Can she apply for spouse visa in the UK without leaving the country somehow?
I believe she can. The immediate problem is the immigration status requirements for 'further' leave to remain:
Immigration status requirements wrote: E-LTRP.2.1. The applicant must not be in the UK-
(a) as a visitor; or
(b) with valid leave granted for a period of 6 months or less, unless that leave is as a fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner, or was granted pending the outcome of family court or divorce proceedings

E-LTRP.2.2. The applicant must not be in the UK –
(a) on temporary admission or temporary release, unless:
(i) the Secretary of State is satisfied that the applicant arrived in the UK more than 6 months prior to the date of application; and
(ii) paragraph EX.1. applies; or
(b) in breach of immigration laws (except that, where paragraph 39E of these Rules applies, any current period of overstaying will be disregarded), unless paragraph EX.1. applies.
Note that if she had leave to remain, it would have to have been granted for more than 6 months.
Section EX: Exceptions to certain eligibility requirements for leave to remain as a partner or parent wrote: EX.1. This paragraph applies if

(a) (i) the applicant has a genuine and subsisting parental relationship with a child who-
(aa) is under the age of 18 years, or was under the age of 18 years when the applicant was first granted leave on the basis that this paragraph applied;
(bb) is in the UK;
(cc) is a British Citizen or has lived in the UK continuously for at least the 7 years immediately preceding the date of application ;and
(ii) taking into account their best interests as a primary consideration, it would not be reasonable to expect the child to leave the UK; or
(b) the applicant has a genuine and subsisting relationship with a partner who is in the UK and is a British Citizen, settled in the UK or in the UK with refugee leave or humanitarian protection, and there are insurmountable obstacles to family life with that partner continuing outside the UK.

EX.2. For the purposes of paragraph EX.1.(b) “insurmountable obstacles” means the very significant difficulties which would be faced by the applicant or their partner in continuing their family life together outside the UK and which could not be overcome or would entail very serious hardship for the applicant or their partner.
You would satisfy the immigration status requirement by quoting EX.1(a). It may be worth pointing out that the relationship between mother and daughter was formed while your wife was lawfully resident in the UK, i.e. before you became British. The application form is FLR(M) - it looks from the Immigration Rules as though you may actually qualify for the 5-year route, rather than being forced down to the 10-year route, though the alleged internal guidance seems to say you should be on the 10-year route.

It will be interesting to see the rules for the settled status for EU nationals. If they be as described, then your will wife will qualify for settlement under those new rules. There's also a reasonable hope that the eagerly awaited Toufik Lounes judgement will mean that your wife is still lawfully resident in the UK.

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:06 pm

Thanks a lot for this useful info. It makes a real sense and hope. I just would like to ask in any case she would be considered as illegal eventually how to explained when applying that she has overstayed a couple of months and actually is still here.

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Re: loosing EEA family permit due to family member's naturalisation for BC

Post by Navaro2 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:30 pm

Thanks a lot for all this information.

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