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Maha786
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by Maha786 » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:01 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:58 pm
Maha786 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:25 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:49 am
High court 7 years ruling came effect in April 2016 and Ho was refusing every body in 2015 in the base of 7 years rules. So now your child will get British citizen and Ho will not able to refuse because court ruling Zh Tanzania in supreme court and there is no any law to deport British child with parents. So just calm and chill it's only waiting game left for you. Be positive.
Hi munir i can see u helping every body i m new on this forum and so worried as today got assylum refusal i got 3 uk born kids 8 6 ans 1 but the problem is i have 2 year of gap and i went ireland my soipcitor is saying he w fight on it that my son was still in europe and had english studies even in ireland he was getting education in english wats the chance can u see so worried tnx
your case is much complicated and go to the court and fight , never give up. you have a chance but its up to the judge if he can understand your arguments and you did mistake to went Ireland and its affect your case about children private family in the UK and its very difficult to succeed on 7 years rules but go to the court and fight and try to fight on asylum ground as well.
did you get right of Appeal?
Tnx munir also can i apply septate application or add in my assylum if apply septate do i need to take my assulum case back tnx
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by hin » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:37 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:58 pm
Maha786 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:25 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:49 am
High court 7 years ruling came effect in April 2016 and Ho was refusing every body in 2015 in the base of 7 years rules. So now your child will get British citizen and Ho will not able to refuse because court ruling Zh Tanzania in supreme court and there is no any law to deport British child with parents. So just calm and chill it's only waiting game left for you. Be positive.
Hi munir i can see u helping every body i m new on this forum and so worried as today got assylum refusal i got 3 uk born kids 8 6 ans 1 but the problem is i have 2 year of gap and i went ireland my soipcitor is saying he w fight on it that my son was still in europe and had english studies even in ireland he was getting education in english wats the chance can u see so worried tnx
your case is much complicated and go to the court and fight , never give up. you have a chance but its up to the judge if he can understand your arguments and you did mistake to went Ireland and its affect your case about children private family in the UK and its very difficult to succeed on 7 years rules but go to the court and fight and try to fight on asylum ground as well.
did you get right of Appeal?
Hi minur I claimed asylum in the beginning of this year my younger sister was also claimed, my mother and two other siblings are British citizens, was sent latters for my susbatitive interview with biometrics and I did and I also did my interview but am waiting the decision for two weeks, the HO sent latter to my salictor days after my interview asking me to confirm(sighn) that he is my salictor
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by munirabid » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:57 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:37 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:58 pm
Maha786 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:25 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:49 am
High court 7 years ruling came effect in April 2016 and Ho was refusing every body in 2015 in the base of 7 years rules. So now your child will get British citizen and Ho will not able to refuse because court ruling Zh Tanzania in supreme court and there is no any law to deport British child with parents. So just calm and chill it's only waiting game left for you. Be positive.
Hi munir i can see u helping every body i m new on this forum and so worried as today got assylum refusal i got 3 uk born kids 8 6 ans 1 but the problem is i have 2 year of gap and i went ireland my soipcitor is saying he w fight on it that my son was still in europe and had english studies even in ireland he was getting education in english wats the chance can u see so worried tnx
your case is much complicated and go to the court and fight , never give up. you have a chance but its up to the judge if he can understand your arguments and you did mistake to went Ireland and its affect your case about children private family in the UK and its very difficult to succeed on 7 years rules but go to the court and fight and try to fight on asylum ground as well.
did you get right of Appeal?
Hi minur I claimed asylum in the beginning of this year my younger sister was also claimed, my mother and two other siblings are British citizens, was sent latters for my susbatitive interview with biometrics and I did and I also did my interview but am waiting the decision for two weeks, the HO sent latter to my salictor days after my interview asking me to confirm(sighn) that he is my salictor
what is your question?
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by hin » Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:15 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:57 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:37 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:58 pm
Maha786 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 10:25 pm
Hi munir i can see u helping every body i m new on this forum and so worried as today got assylum refusal i got 3 uk born kids 8 6 ans 1 but the problem is i have 2 year of gap and i went ireland my soipcitor is saying he w fight on it that my son was still in europe and had english studies even in ireland he was getting education in english wats the chance can u see so worried tnx
your case is much complicated and go to the court and fight , never give up. you have a chance but its up to the judge if he can understand your arguments and you did mistake to went Ireland and its affect your case about children private family in the UK and its very difficult to succeed on 7 years rules but go to the court and fight and try to fight on asylum ground as well.
did you get right of Appeal?
Hi minur I claimed asylum in the beginning of this year my younger sister was also claimed, my mother and two other siblings are British citizens, was sent latters for my susbatitive interview with biometrics and I did and I also did my interview but am waiting the decision for two weeks, the HO sent latter to my salictor days after my interview asking me to confirm(sighn) that he is my salictor
what is your question?
How I will receive my decision my post or through my salictor?
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by munirabid » Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:40 pm
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:15 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:57 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:37 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:58 pm
your case is much complicated and go to the court and fight , never give up. you have a chance but its up to the judge if he can understand your arguments and you did mistake to went Ireland and its affect your case about children private family in the UK and its very difficult to succeed on 7 years rules but go to the court and fight and try to fight on asylum ground as well.
did you get right of Appeal?
Hi minur I claimed asylum in the beginning of this year my younger sister was also claimed, my mother and two other siblings are British citizens, was sent latters for my susbatitive interview with biometrics and I did and I also did my interview but am waiting the decision for two weeks, the HO sent latter to my salictor days after my interview asking me to confirm(sighn) that he is my salictor
what is your question?
How I will receive my decision my post or through my salictor?
some time HO send to both
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by hin » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:28 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:40 pm
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:15 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:57 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:37 am
Hi minur I claimed asylum in the beginning of this year my younger sister was also claimed, my mother and two other siblings are British citizens, was sent latters for my susbatitive interview with biometrics and I did and I also did my interview but am waiting the decision for two weeks, the HO sent latter to my salictor days after my interview asking me to confirm(sighn) that he is my salictor
what is your question?
How I will receive my decision my post or through my salictor?
some time HO send to both
Thank you minur,am Also don’t understand why they asked me to have biometric and 4passaport pic before my interview,
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by munirabid » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:14 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:28 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:40 pm
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:15 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:57 am
what is your question?
How I will receive my decision my post or through my salictor?
some time HO send to both
Thank you minur,am Also don’t understand why they asked me to have biometric and 4passaport pic before my interview,
Ho taking pictures from every body and Ho update their record with recent pictures and HO also taking biometric from every body , so if HO want to grant you visa then they will send you biometric visa card without delay.
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by hin » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:36 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:14 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:28 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:40 pm
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 12:15 pm
How I will receive my decision my post or through my salictor?
some time HO send to both
Thank you minur,am Also don’t understand why they asked me to have biometric and 4passaport pic before my interview,
Ho taking pictures from every body and Ho update their record with recent pictures and HO also taking biometric from every body , so if HO want to grant you visa then they will send you biometric visa card without delay.
Thank you very much minur,my final question if I was granted, can I apply a travel document what ever I want or there is required time like to remain in the country 2 years or 2/half years?
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by munirabid » Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:59 am
hin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:36 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:14 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:28 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 2:40 pm
some time HO send to both
Thank you minur,am Also don’t understand why they asked me to have biometric and 4passaport pic before my interview,
Ho taking pictures from every body and Ho update their record with recent pictures and HO also taking biometric from every body , so if HO want to grant you visa then they will send you biometric visa card without delay.
Thank you very much minur,my final question if I was granted, can I apply a travel document what ever I want or there is required time like to remain in the country 2 years or 2/half years?
hi
open the link below and find how to apply travel documents, you can apply travel documents as soon as you get refugee status
https://www.gov.uk/apply-home-office-travel-document
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by hin » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:08 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:59 am
hin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:36 am
munirabid wrote: ↑Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:14 am
hin wrote: ↑Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:28 pm
Thank you minur,am Also don’t understand why they asked me to have biometric and 4passaport pic before my interview,
Ho taking pictures from every body and Ho update their record with recent pictures and HO also taking biometric from every body , so if HO want to grant you visa then they will send you biometric visa card without delay.
Thank you very much minur,my final question if I was granted, can I apply a travel document what ever I want or there is required time like to remain in the country 2 years or 2/half years?
hi
open the link below and find how to apply travel documents, you can apply travel documents as soon as you get refugee status
https://www.gov.uk/apply-home-office-travel-document
Very thankful for you minur and I will keep update if I get my decision and experience thank you again minor!!
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by 0534505244 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:12 am
Hi minur can you help me i just want to know i applied for asylum i have done both interview now i get a letter from ho they request 2 month more for decision and also ask if you have any further information related to your case then send it in liverpool can you tell me what can i do. Why they take long time for decsion or why they ask more documents which i already submit on my interview day plz help me thanks
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by munirabid » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:59 am
0534505244 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:12 am
Hi minur can you help me i just want to know i applied for asylum i have done both interview now i get a letter from ho they request 2 month more for decision and also ask if you have any further information related to your case then send it in liverpool can you tell me what can i do. Why they take long time for decsion or why they ask more documents which i already submit on my interview day plz help me thanks
hi
HO asking if you have any more documents then provide them , if you don't have any documents then you don't need to send .if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP.
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by hin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:19 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:59 am
0534505244 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:12 am
Hi minur can you help me i just want to know i applied for asylum i have done both interview now i get a letter from ho they request 2 month more for decision and also ask if you have any further information related to your case then send it in liverpool can you tell me what can i do. Why they take long time for decsion or why they ask more documents which i already submit on my interview day plz help me thanks
hi
HO asking if you have any more documents then provide them , if you don't have any documents then you don't need to send .if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP.
Hi munir the HO sent me the some latter to me too it says within 2 months we will decide what's your thoughts please,thank you
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by munirabid » Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:25 am
hin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:19 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:59 am
0534505244 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:12 am
Hi minur can you help me i just want to know i applied for asylum i have done both interview now i get a letter from ho they request 2 month more for decision and also ask if you have any further information related to your case then send it in liverpool can you tell me what can i do. Why they take long time for decsion or why they ask more documents which i already submit on my interview day plz help me thanks
hi
HO asking if you have any more documents then provide them , if you don't have any documents then you don't need to send .if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP.
Hi munir the HO sent me the some latter to me too it says within 2 months we will decide what's your thoughts please,thank you
its standard letter from Home Office. if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP..
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by hin » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:56 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:25 am
hin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:19 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:59 am
0534505244 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:12 am
Hi minur can you help me i just want to know i applied for asylum i have done both interview now i get a letter from ho they request 2 month more for decision and also ask if you have any further information related to your case then send it in liverpool can you tell me what can i do. Why they take long time for decsion or why they ask more documents which i already submit on my interview day plz help me thanks
hi
HO asking if you have any more documents then provide them , if you don't have any documents then you don't need to send .if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP.
Hi munir the HO sent me the some latter to me too it says within 2 months we will decide what's your thoughts please,thank you
its standard letter from Home Office. if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP..
Thank you, Munir, in my screening day my asylum was considered as Humanitarian protection my question is after my substantive interview would my Grant be am eligible for Refuge or it has to Be HP thank you?
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by 0534505244 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 1:34 am
Thanks for your help and really appreciated i m waiting i will do same as you instruct.hopefully the decision will be come in positive
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by munirabid » Tue Aug 21, 2018 3:04 pm
hin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:56 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Fri Aug 17, 2018 1:25 am
hin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:19 pm
munirabid wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:59 am
hi
HO asking if you have any more documents then provide them , if you don't have any documents then you don't need to send .if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP.
Hi munir the HO sent me the some latter to me too it says within 2 months we will decide what's your thoughts please,thank you
its standard letter from Home Office. if HO didn't give you decision within 2 months time, then involve you local MP..
Thank you, Munir, in my screening day my asylum was considered as Humanitarian protection my question is after my substantive interview would my Grant be am eligible for Refuge or it has to Be HP thank you?
i haven't seen your case and cant tell , so sorry
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by Vivian chi » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:06 pm
I just want to ask if there's anyone who have any idea of further submission asylum case. I did mine but it was rejected today 5/9/2018. Although I have a child under age 18months old but Home Office didn't consider her in my application. I do suffer from mental health problem which is the main thing I used for my application. But Home Office decision was they do believe I have a family back home my Nigeria. Which I do have a family but my mother has died and my father I don't no his where about. Right my solicitor want us to appeal against the home office decision. Just what to ask if there's any opportunity for me to win this case. The father of my child is a British citizen but because he didn't want me or my child he refused to help me and don't no his where about. I am really scared and sad. Don't no what to do again. Please any advice would be good for right now on what to do next.
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by munirabid » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:38 pm
Vivian chi wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:06 pm
I just want to ask if there's anyone who have any idea of further submission asylum case. I did mine but it was rejected today 5/9/2018. Although I have a child under age 18months old but Home Office didn't consider her in my application. I do suffer from mental health problem which is the main thing I used for my application. But Home Office decision was they do believe I have a family back home my Nigeria. Which I do have a family but my mother has died and my father I don't no his where about. Right my solicitor want us to appeal against the home office decision. Just what to ask if there's any opportunity for me to win this case. The father of my child is a British citizen but because he didn't want me or my child he refused to help me and don't no his where about. I am really scared and sad. Don't no what to do again. Please any advice would be good for right now on what to do next.
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when did you made further submission? and go for Appeal and put your all case front of Judge. If your child is British then Home office never deport him and You have strong case.
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by Vivian chi » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:08 am
Hi thanks for replying to me. I made the further submission on 9th of March 2018 and it was refused on 29th of August 2018. I was traffic from my country Nigeria to UK in 2011. I did apply for asylum on 2013 then.I was grants one year to remain then on renewing the application home office refused it as well. I went all my appeal but nothing good comes out of it. So last year 2017 I had my daughter and I was homeless because the father of my child didn't want us, and his name is not on the birth Certificate. Now his name is not on the birth Certificate home office didn't say anything about it. But they said am gonna be safe if I go back to Nigeria which is am not safe at all. Now am suffered from mental health problems and my daughter life is at risk with me, if I asked to go back to Nigeria. And only person I got is my mother and she just passed away last month of August this year. Right now am so confused because don't have evidence from Nigeria to prove am actually telling the truth because everything was changed when the man that trafficked me to uk.my date if birth and my Surname was changed as well. Told Home Office everything but they didn't believe me. Right now everything seems so had for me and my daughter. Do you think something good will come out this? I no your not the judge. but just don't no
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by munirabid » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:18 am
Vivian chi wrote: ↑Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:08 am
Hi thanks for replying to me. I made the further submission on 9th of March 2018 and it was refused on 29th of August 2018. I was traffic from my country Nigeria to UK in 2011. I did apply for asylum on 2013 then.I was grants one year to remain then on renewing the application home office refused it as well. I went all my appeal but nothing good comes out of it. So last year 2017 I had my daughter and I was homeless because the father of my child didn't want us, and his name is not on the birth Certificate. Now his name is not on the birth Certificate home office didn't say anything about it. But they said am gonna be safe if I go back to Nigeria which is am not safe at all. Now am suffered from mental health problems and my daughter life is at risk with me, if I asked to go back to Nigeria. And only person I got is my mother and she just passed away last month of August this year. Right now am so confused because don't have evidence from Nigeria to prove am actually telling the truth because everything was changed when the man that trafficked me to uk.my date if birth and my Surname was changed as well. Told Home Office everything but they didn't believe me. Right now everything seems so had for me and my daughter. Do you think something good will come out this? I no your not the judge. but just don't no
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did HO give you right of Appeal? if yes then go for Appeal and gather relevant evidence and seek legal advice from your solicitor.
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by Aksatear » Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:01 pm
Hello every one I am new here
I will really appreciate if anyone can help me
I came uk as dependent in uk in 2009 and I applied refugee in 2018 on basis of marring cousin which probited in Hindu religion n if I go back any thing can happen
I haven’t been to my back home since I came uk
I finished my main interview n biometric
interview went 2 hour long but it was was simple interview n he didn’t ask me any cross question n have submitted all required document
My concern is because interview went simple does it mean he is already prepare to reject me even thou I have send all prove that I will be in danger if I go back
I am really worried because I have 2year old baby n I am worried about his future
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by Aksatear » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:13 am
Hello every one
Sorry I don’t know how to post new topic so I just click reply post
I am new here
I will really appreciate if anyone can help me
I came uk as dependent in uk in 2009 and I applied refugee in 2018 on basis of marring cousin which probited in Hindu religion n if I go back any thing can happen
I haven’t been to my back home since I came uk
I finished my main interview n biometric
interview went 2 hour long but it was was simple interview n he didn’t ask me any cross question n have submitted all required document
My concern is because interview went simple does it mean he is already prepare to reject me even thou I have send all prove that I will be in danger if I go back
I am really worried because I have 2year old baby n I am worried about his future
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by Brsr » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:30 pm
hello everyone
I need help for my confusion, i have invited for aslyum claim interview next week, but before interview ask me to do biometric. What is this, what do i think. Please if someone know the answer reply me Asap. Thanks
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by CR001 » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:34 pm
Brsr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:30 pm
hello everyone
I need help for my confusion, i have invited for aslyum claim interview next week, but before interview ask me to do biometric. What is this, what do i think. Please if someone know the answer reply me Asap. Thanks
Biometric is to enroll your finger prints and photo at the Post office.
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