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Transitional Agreement question- wording

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by zimba » Fri Apr 13, 2018 4:53 pm

sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:44 pm
Thank you.

Are printouts of payslips acceptable?
Do I need to stamp them?
All payslips are printouts :? No need to stamp them
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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:50 pm

Thank you, Zimba.

There's a section in the ILR form about how much income the applicant makes per month.
Should I work out the average for the last year (since the salary I take out varies every month), or should I just put in last month's figure?

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by zimba » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:29 am

sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:50 pm
Thank you, Zimba.

There's a section in the ILR form about how much income the applicant makes per month.
Should I work out the average for the last year (since the salary I take out varies every month), or should I just put in last month's figure?
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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:20 pm

The payroll software that I use is not showing the pay after deducting pensions in the FPS. It is only showing Net Pay and Other Deductions (the amount of pension contributed by the employee is listed here). There is no employer's contribution to pension listed in the FPS report either. This information and the pay after pension deductions is only showing on the payslip. Is this something that is acceptable or should the full pension breakdown be on the FPS. I imagine the lack of details has to do with the fact that the FPS goes to the HMRC and not the Pensions Regulator.

My payroll software is the same as the one I used at the time of extension but at that time there were no pensions to consider.

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by marcnath » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:06 pm

sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:20 pm
The payroll software that I use is not showing the pay after deducting pensions in the FPS. It is only showing Net Pay and Other Deductions (the amount of pension contributed by the employee is listed here). There is no employer's contribution to pension listed in the FPS report either. This information and the pay after pension deductions is only showing on the payslip. Is this something that is acceptable or should the full pension breakdown be on the FPS. I imagine the lack of details has to do with the fact that the FPS goes to the HMRC and not the Pensions Regulator.

My payroll software is the same as the one I used at the time of extension but at that time there were no pensions to consider.
The FPS requirement is "These must show every payment made to each settled worker as well as any deductions."

It appears, from your description, that the requirement is met.
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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:33 pm

marcnath wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:06 pm
sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:20 pm
The payroll software that I use is not showing the pay after deducting pensions in the FPS. It is only showing Net Pay and Other Deductions (the amount of pension contributed by the employee is listed here). There is no employer's contribution to pension listed in the FPS report either. This information and the pay after pension deductions is only showing on the payslip. Is this something that is acceptable or should the full pension breakdown be on the FPS. I imagine the lack of details has to do with the fact that the FPS goes to the HMRC and not the Pensions Regulator.

My payroll software is the same as the one I used at the time of extension but at that time there were no pensions to consider.
The FPS requirement is "These must show every payment made to each settled worker as well as any deductions."

It appears, from your description, that the requirement is met.
Hi Marcnath

Thank you for replying.
The actual payment made by bank transfer is not on the FPS.
The Net Pay on the FPS is before the pension deduction.
And right under that it says Other Deductions, which shows the employee's pension contribution.
The pay after deducting this contribution is not listed.
And the employer's pension contribution is not on the FPS, but only on the payslips.
Should I try another software? Not sure if it's worth all the hassle it will cause.

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by marcnath » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:46 pm

sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:33 pm
marcnath wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:06 pm
sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:20 pm
The payroll software that I use is not showing the pay after deducting pensions in the FPS. It is only showing Net Pay and Other Deductions (the amount of pension contributed by the employee is listed here). There is no employer's contribution to pension listed in the FPS report either. This information and the pay after pension deductions is only showing on the payslip. Is this something that is acceptable or should the full pension breakdown be on the FPS. I imagine the lack of details has to do with the fact that the FPS goes to the HMRC and not the Pensions Regulator.

My payroll software is the same as the one I used at the time of extension but at that time there were no pensions to consider.
The FPS requirement is "These must show every payment made to each settled worker as well as any deductions."

It appears, from your description, that the requirement is met.
Hi Marcnath

Thank you for replying.
The actual payment made by bank transfer is not on the FPS. ==> That is immaterial
The Net Pay on the FPS is before the pension deduction. ==> Meets the requirement
And right under that it says Other Deductions, which shows the employee's pension contribution. ==> Meets the requirement
The pay after deducting this contribution is not listed. ==> That is immaterial
And the employer's pension contribution is not on the FPS, but only on the payslips. ==> That is immaterial. It is not payment to employee.
Should I try another software? Not sure if it's worth all the hassle it will cause.
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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:57 pm

marcnath wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 9:46 pm
sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:33 pm
marcnath wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:06 pm
sm12 wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:20 pm
The payroll software that I use is not showing the pay after deducting pensions in the FPS. It is only showing Net Pay and Other Deductions (the amount of pension contributed by the employee is listed here). There is no employer's contribution to pension listed in the FPS report either. This information and the pay after pension deductions is only showing on the payslip. Is this something that is acceptable or should the full pension breakdown be on the FPS. I imagine the lack of details has to do with the fact that the FPS goes to the HMRC and not the Pensions Regulator.

My payroll software is the same as the one I used at the time of extension but at that time there were no pensions to consider.
The FPS requirement is "These must show every payment made to each settled worker as well as any deductions."

It appears, from your description, that the requirement is met.
Hi Marcnath

Thank you for replying.
The actual payment made by bank transfer is not on the FPS. ==> That is immaterial
The Net Pay on the FPS is before the pension deduction. ==> Meets the requirement
And right under that it says Other Deductions, which shows the employee's pension contribution. ==> Meets the requirement
The pay after deducting this contribution is not listed. ==> That is immaterial
And the employer's pension contribution is not on the FPS, but only on the payslips. ==> That is immaterial. It is not payment to employee.
Should I try another software? Not sure if it's worth all the hassle it will cause.
Thank you again.
I was considering asking my accountant to help me prepare manual reports but I think I'll skip that as the above seems to meet the requirement.

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:13 pm

For the start date of an employee who joined during the initial leave, I have a printout of the FPS but it's slightly damaged and there's some issue with generating it again.

Would it be acceptable to prepare a manual report for that FPS based on the printout?

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by marcnath » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:06 am

sm12 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:13 pm
For the start date of an employee who joined during the initial leave, I have a printout of the FPS but it's slightly damaged and there's some issue with generating it again.

Would it be acceptable to prepare a manual report for that FPS based on the printout?
There is no requirement to have start date in the FPS any more.
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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:57 pm

marcnath wrote:
Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:06 am
sm12 wrote:
Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:13 pm
For the start date of an employee who joined during the initial leave, I have a printout of the FPS but it's slightly damaged and there's some issue with generating it again.

Would it be acceptable to prepare a manual report for that FPS based on the printout?
There is no requirement to have start date in the FPS any more.
Thank you.
So do we need to provide any proof of the start date at all?

I'm sending:
FPS for months claimed
Passport copies
Payslips
Proof I was director of the company during this period


Is there anything in missing from the employment documents?

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Tue May 01, 2018 12:23 am

I am applying for ILR in about a week so would appreciate it if someone could please look at my list of documents and let me know whether I have missed anything:

Passport(s)
Biometric Permit
Application Form
2 Photos
Payment Details
Cover Letter

For employment requirement:
FPS
Payslips
Copies of proof to work
(Does the start date only have to be on the application form now, as the guidance doesn't specifically state that it has to be on FPS anymore?)

Engaged in business:
Current Appointment Report
Tax registration
Business bank statement or business bank letter

For the finances section:
Personal Bank Statements
Three months of payslips (and FPS?)

Life in the UK Test Results
UK Degree Certificate

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by zimba » Tue May 01, 2018 12:25 am

sm12 wrote:
Tue May 01, 2018 12:23 am
I am applying for ILR in about a week so would appreciate it if someone could please look at my list of documents and let me know whether I have missed anything:

Passport(s)
Biometric Permit
Application Form
2 Photos
Payment Details
Cover Letter

For employment requirement:
FPS
Payslips
Copies of proof to work
(Does the start date only have to be on the application form now, as the guidance doesn't specifically state that it has to be on FPS anymore?)

Engaged in business:
Current Appointment Report
Tax registration
Business bank statement or business bank letter

For the finances section:
Personal Bank Statements
Three months of payslips (and FPS?)

Life in the UK Test Results
UK Degree Certificate
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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Tue May 01, 2018 12:35 am

Hi Zimba,

I have posted my question on the ILR forum now.

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Re: Transitional Agreement question- wording

Post by sm12 » Thu May 03, 2018 10:11 pm

Does the start date have to be on any other document if it's not required on the FPS?
Also, do I need to provide photocopies of every document?

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