Visa Refused VO and Market Research

[marcnath]

Dear CR001, sorry if I offended you by my mistakes it is typo error using my phone. But i know where you coming from and what you mean. Aabdul thanks for you suggestion of sending supporting documents.
When i applied extension i had attached photos of my wesite page where my staff was working, dealing with clients orders and drlivering goods for my business.
I have two van on lease on my business name with company name written on them. These photos also send with lease documents of my Vans.
Should i send them again or just refer this when write my AR.

Just refer to documents already submitted.

[Amnaamna]

Dear CR001, sorry if I offended you by my mistakes it is typo error using my phone. But i know where you coming from and what you mean. Aabdul thanks for you suggestion of sending supporting documents.
When i applied extension i had attached photos of my wesite page where my staff was working, dealing with clients orders and drlivering goods for my business.
I have two van on lease on my business name with company name written on them. These photos also send with lease documents of my Vans.
Should i send them again or just refer this when write my AR.

Just refer to documents already submitted.

Thanks Marc. What should i say abt VO? I will send the wherehouse (Stock Room) picture. They are two massively big with sorting shelves especially designed for my business at my home address. Should i say this was my trading address and VO is my meeting & greeting address with clients. I am confused on this point. They were expecting me to have all my assets & furniture and IT computer at VO that was not possible. But i had all at my home. I have freeehold property on my name i dont need to sign rent agreement with my business. Your comments please.

[miumiuuk]

These refusal reasons are completely ridiculous. Don't be afraid, go for AR, at the same time, do make a complaint to this foolish CO if you got his/her name in your refusal letter.Just send an email to the complaints department.These misleading and confusing reasons reflect this cast officer has no acknowledged about running a business and abuses genuine entrepreneur test. Request HO to explain this immigration officer's education background and his/her work experiences. From what aspects of him/her can support himself/herself to make such clueless judgements? Request home office to offer a proper business training to their immigration offices who are dealing with entrepreneur casts. We entrepreneurs are paying thousands on application fees. We deserve quality services accordingly.The home office is just playing and torching entrepreneurs since appeal right have been recalled.

1-Marketing Research
Marketing research is not necessary at all for a company that has been running over 3 years. This is a T1e extending application, not an initial application.


2-Business Investment Funds not invested in 10 instalments from a personal account that leads home office my business in no Genuine.

Agreed with moni, the most fun part.I presume many applicants invested their money over 10 instalments have had their visa approvals. Worth to write a complaint letter to this incompetent CO. A genuine entrepreneur knows the best manner to use and allocate his money. Actually, it is just meaningless the surplus cash sits in a business account for a long time. Seriously, I really doubt this CO was just borrowed from other irrelevant departments because of staff shortages.

Did you apply with director loan or share capital for investments?

[Dytto]

Your story seems genuine to me. I would add photos of your warehouse (don't spell it like you did above )

Your driver and his van full of stuff etc to your AR

how can i provide this to home-office? there is no attachment option online For AR.?
My website already include the video and all these pictures. My Vans, Staff with some of my clients. They can check this from there before refusing my application

You can add one line paragraph at the end of the AR and write to Them you have send the supporting documents to them. Please don’t forget to write the refrence number of the royal mail post. When you send supporting documents please also attach your refusal letter copy as well. This will help identify your case file to HO. Good luck

I don’t know what’s wrong with CR001
His first priority is to sort it out the right post for right topic,we all are in frustration and need help but i had seen too many times he is doing don’t ask ,don’t reply this topic has been discussed too many times Bla Bla instead of this try to give positive advice if you can’t then stay calm
Thanks

[marcnath]

I don’t know what’s wrong with CR001
His first priority is to sort it out the right post for right topic,we all are in frustration and need help but i had seen too many times he is doing don’t ask ,don’t reply this topic has been discussed too many times Bla Bla instead of this try to give positive advice if you can’t then stay calm
Thanks

This is not really relevant to the OP or the main discussion of this topic.

But I can't help but step in to support CR001 and other moderators here.

Remember that the moderators and other contributors are all volunteers and doing their best.

This is one of the only non technical forums that I have seen where you don't see ridiculous, vulgar, irrelevant or insulting discussions. That is entirely to the credit of the moderators such as CR001.

Yes, sometimes they are a bit harsh - but those are more the exception than the rule. Even I have been at the receiving end.

Having said that, I just can't understand the criticism on this particular comment from CR001 - she was just pointing out what the impact of an inadvertent error would be.

[tier1entrepreneur-A]

I don’t know what’s wrong with CR001
His first priority is to sort it out the right post for right topic,we all are in frustration and need help but i had seen too many times he is doing don’t ask ,don’t reply this topic has been discussed too many times Bla Bla instead of this try to give positive advice if you can’t then stay calm
Thanks

This is not really relevant to the OP or the main discussion of this topic.

But I can't help but step in to support CR001 and other moderators here.

Remember that the moderators and other contributors are all volunteers and doing their best.

This is one of the only non technical forums that I have seen where you don't see ridiculous, vulgar, irrelevant or insulting discussions. That is entirely to the credit of the moderators such as CR001.

Yes, sometimes they are a bit harsh - but those are more the exception than the rule. Even I have been at the receiving end.

Having said that, I just can't understand the criticism on this particular comment from CR001 - she was just pointing out what the impact of an inadvertent error would be.

I totally agree with marcnath, this platform is one of the best platforms I have ever seen which help experts to share their experiences and advises and people have personal experience with others needing advice wrt UK visas.

Also I totally understand Amnaamna, as we always looking for an answer if we have any enquiry which will be followed by an action/plan from our side,

We are all at this platform support each other,

Thanks for all Moderators, experts and all members.

[sassybee]

Rejection based on genuineness seem to be getting a little more frequent, which is unfortunate.

I do not think it is unfortunate. We see many in-genuine entrepreneurs on this forum.

When there is an entrepreneurial team and one leaves the business as soon as gets alternate ILR*
When people fire employees during extension because, you don't get points for that period
When one asks "i have ILR now can I leave my business and get a job?"
And many more cases of high probability in-genuineness

All of these ingenuine entrepreneurs ruin it for the rest of us, all these delays and nitpicking on issues that don't matter and limited application of evidential flexibility are a lot the fault of the in-genuine.

T1e was not meant to be the route for all those "that don't have another visa route"

This does not in any way mean the OP in this specific case is ingenuine and if she/he furnish more details we can try and help her/him (though clearly with one employee not likely a "high flying" business, but that is not a mandatory attribute for T1e)


(* there are plenty of cases were the team member stays along in the business, that is something else)

I have deliberately decided not to respond to many of your posts even if I find quite a few of them condescending at the minimum. You are entitled to your opinion, which is fine. But it is clear that you somehow consider yourself superior and have your own definition of what an entrepreneur should be or what business they should be doing and make your comments without bothering to understand a full picture.

You now decided to comment on my post without reading the whole paragraph. HO (as this case seems to show) is not qualified to assess genuineness (in my opinion). The cases that have been rejected on this forum has almost always seem to point to them to suspect fraud. But, instead of taking the effort to dig into that, they seem to be using Genuineness as an easy reason. And that was the point of my overall paragraph if you had read the full thing.

Dear Marcnath,

Please don't get worked up over the above comment. You've been doing very well advicing. I personally always look out for your encouraging advice and valuable comments. Kindly ignore.

[Amnaamna]

These refusal reasons are completely ridiculous. Don't be afraid, go for AR, at the same time, do make a complaint to this foolish CO if you got his/her name in your refusal letter.Just send an email to the complaints department.These misleading and confusing reasons reflect this cast officer has no acknowledged about running a business and abuses genuine entrepreneur test. Request HO to explain this immigration officer's education background and his/her work experiences. From what aspects of him/her can support himself/herself to make such clueless judgements? Request home office to offer a proper business training to their immigration offices who are dealing with entrepreneur casts. We entrepreneurs are paying thousands on application fees. We deserve quality services accordingly.The home office is just playing and torching entrepreneurs since appeal right have been recalled.

1-Marketing Research
Marketing research is not necessary at all for a company that has been running over 3 years. This is a T1e extending application, not an initial application.


2-Business Investment Funds not invested in 10 instalments from a personal account that leads home office my business in no Genuine.

Agreed with moni, the most fun part.I presume many applicants invested their money over 10 instalments have had their visa approvals. Worth to write a complaint letter to this incompetent CO. A genuine entrepreneur knows the best manner to use and allocate his money. Actually, it is just meaningless the surplus cash sits in a business account for a long time. Seriously, I really doubt this CO was just borrowed from other irrelevant departments because of staff shortages.

Did you apply with director loan or share capital for investments?

Hi Dear, i have submitted my Business plan when applied initial Application.

I don’t need market Resersch same thing i have told in interview because i was already trading in market even two years before tier-1 application.

Tell me how can i do complain against caseworker ? Anyone got any idea??
I am worried abt all my investment and other stuff material, oversease Tradeing agreements, still two years to complete my 10 years.
Can i apply fresh application if once declare non genuine under section 245 on balance of probabilities?
How could i was declare non genuine?
Investmdnt made over 50k.
Business contracts/Invoices supplied.
3 British Born employees over 20 months
Investment my personal funds over 50k always in my personal account since day one before I transferred to Business account
Advertising evidence supplied
My own company logo name lease van documents & advertising supplied
License to import dentist medicine supplied
License to import non perishable goods supplied
Business visiting cards including employees business card supplied

[sassybee]

Dear CR001, sorry if I offended you by my mistakes it is typo error using my phone. But i know where you coming from and what you mean. Aabdul thanks for you suggestion of sending supporting documents.
When i applied extension i had attached photos of my wesite page where my staff was working, dealing with clients orders and drlivering goods for my business.
I have two van on lease on my business name with company name written on them. These photos also send with lease documents of my Vans.
Should i send them again or just refer this when write my AR.

Just refer to documents already submitted.

Thanks Marc. What should i say abt VO? I will send the wherehouse (Stock Room) picture. They are two massively big with sorting shelves especially designed for my business at my home address. Should i say this was my trading address and VO is my meeting & greeting address with clients. I am confused on this point. They were expecting me to have all my assets & furniture and IT computer at VO that was not possible. But i had all at my home. I have freeehold property on my name i dont need to sign rent agreement with my business. Your comments please.

Its unfortunate that you can't provide additional docs in AR. I also used VO as my address and provided pictures of my home office during the interview.When asked about why I had VO as my address I told them it help build some trust/credibility to prospective clients and it looks good on my business to have business address that is not my home address.

I will suggest re-iterating the photos you had provided during application in AR statement.

Also once you have submitted your AR I suggest you take some valuable time and draw a compliant about the CW who made the decision as these reasons are all so ridiculous and baseless.

To be honest

[marcnath]

Hi Dear, i have submitted my Business plan when applied initial Application.

I don’t need market Resersch same thing i have told in interview because i was already trading in market even two years before tier-1 application.

Tell me how can i do complain against caseworker ? Anyone got any idea??
I am worried abt all my investment and other stuff material, oversease Tradeing agreements, still two years to complete my 10 years.
Can i apply fresh application if once declare non genuine under section 245 on balance of probabilities?
How could i was declare non genuine?
Investmdnt made over 50k.
Business contracts/Invoices supplied.
3 British Born employees over 20 months
Investment my personal funds over 50k always in my personal account since day one before I transferred to Business account
Advertising evidence supplied
My own company logo name lease van documents & advertising supplied
License to import dentist medicine supplied
License to import non perishable goods supplied
Business visiting cards including employees business card supplied

Focus on getting your AR overturned. Complaining about the CW would be a different process and you can take that up after you have your Visa sorted.
For now, your AR is only about correcting what you believe are mistakes made by the CW.
Start the AR with the comment that you believe a mistake has been made in the decision.
Then go point by point of the points raised in the refusal letter.
e.g. Investment - The required investment has been made and the following evidence provided.
---
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Under the immigration rules, there is no schedule set out for how and when the investment should be made. There is no valid reason why splitting the investment over 10 instalments should be a test for genuineness as I have injected the money as required by the business.


And so on...

[tier1lah1]

This is the best platform that I have found. Thanks to all who contributed.

On the investment via 10 instalments, I do not see any problem on business sense. For Tier 1, if you can prove that these funds are available in your accounts and the instalments are from this fund or your personal funds, I do not see that as a problem.

However, CW may query if you have been taking salary or dividends from your company and the investment instalment are transferred from your salary account. If this happened, then CW may not be sure if the investment is from your fund or from salary taken from the company.

This is just my opinion.

[miumiuuk]

Hi Dear, i have submitted my Business plan when applied initial Application.

I don’t need market Resersch same thing i have told in interview because i was already trading in market even two years before tier-1 application.

Tell me how can i do complain against caseworker ? Anyone got any idea??
I am worried abt all my investment and other stuff material, oversease Tradeing agreements, still two years to complete my 10 years.
Can i apply fresh application if once declare non genuine under section 245 on balance of probabilities?
How could i was declare non genuine?
Investmdnt made over 50k.
Business contracts/Invoices supplied.
3 British Born employees over 20 months
Investment my personal funds over 50k always in my personal account since day one before I transferred to Business account
Advertising evidence supplied
My own company logo name lease van documents & advertising supplied
License to import dentist medicine supplied
License to import non perishable goods supplied
Business visiting cards including employees business card supplied

Focus on getting your AR overturned. Complaining about the CW would be a different process and you can take that up after you have your Visa sorted.
For now, your AR is only about correcting what you believe are mistakes made by the CW.
Start the AR with the comment that you believe a mistake has been made in the decision.
Then go point by point of the points raised in the refusal letter.
e.g. Investment - The required investment has been made and the following evidence provided.
---
---
Under the immigration rules, there is no schedule set out for how and when the investment should be made. There is no valid reason why splitting the investment over 10 instalments should be a test for genuineness as I have injected the money as required by the business.


And so on...

Agreed, focus on AR.The complaint is a separate and additional work, however, I suggest you take an action at the same time.Because your complaint is relevant to your AR, besides HO might not accept your complaint if you apply it later than 3 months after the date of incident happened.

just simply email your complaining to
complaints@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk

AR and complaints are the same departments, you cannot submit additional docs in AR, but you can attach the additional doc to complain procedure.

[Amnaamna]

I have done my AR and Also complained against the worker in writing and also via royal mail post with all supporting documents.
Thanks to Marc, Aabdul and others for drafting me AR.

Any ideas how many days it will take on AR?

[Ragbirmattu]

ragbir here, amnaamna how did u complaint to HI. My case is similar please guide me. How u send supporting documents?

[Amnaamna]

ragbir here, amnaamna how did u complaint to HI. My case is similar please guide me. How u send supporting documents?

Sorry to hear your refusal.

AR online.

Complain online/Email and also by sending the recorded delivery to the same address where i applied my extension visa with all my supporting documents.

File AR today. My email and complaint letter received them today. I quote this reference no with person who signed and time of delivery.

[Amnaamna]

Just to update.

I got reply from the HOME OFFICE. Confirming they had received my complained email and AR.

I also send the supporting documents in post. I do believe they will attached my email documents with my AR. They confirmed in email reply they have received both AR and email and can confirm my case is being treated as an urgent matter.

This email is from the same case worker team who refused my extension application.

[miumiuuk]

Just to update.

I got reply from the HOME OFFICE. Confirming they had received my complained email and AR.

I also send the supporting documents in post. I do believe they will attached my email documents with my AR. They confirmed in email reply they have received both AR and email and can confirm my case is being treated as an urgent matter.

This email is from the same case worker team who refused my extension application.

thank you for your updated post.
In my opinion, solid evidence should override evidential flexibility, they should take supporting doc. into account rather than their unprofessional consumption.If they recalled appeal right, evidential flexibility should not be applied.If they applied evidential flexibility, they should ensure the CO is eligible and credible to make such decisions.
wish you win your AR soon.

[heyaheya]

Just to update.

I got reply from the HOME OFFICE. Confirming they had received my complained email and AR.

I also send the supporting documents in post. I do believe they will attached my email documents with my AR. They confirmed in email reply they have received both AR and email and can confirm my case is being treated as an urgent matter.

This email is from the same case worker team who refused my extension application.

hello thanks for an update and good luck with ur AR,. i am sure u will be through .. how did u complain through common complain address which can be found on UKVI website.. and then u mentioned case workers name...
u said u attached the photos and more documents .. u posted the documents as well before sending AR and gave reference number of royal delivery + name of person who received it.
i am asking all these questions as so many ppl who have been rejected on these silly reasons can take this approach .. it will help them to make a complain and AR.
and did u receive email from caseworker himself or jus from complains department same email address but mentioning caseworkers name..
thanku indeed fr all your update and answers we all are praying for u ....

[nali78]

I have also VO because London offices cost effective and most of the time we work in the field. According to uk law and enterpreneur Guidance there is no requirement for office you can argue with them

[Amnaamna]

Just to update.

I got reply from the HOME OFFICE. Confirming they had received my complained email and AR.

I also send the supporting documents in post. I do believe they will attached my email documents with my AR. They confirmed in email reply they have received both AR and email and can confirm my case is being treated as an urgent matter.

This email is from the same case worker team who refused my extension application.

hello thanks for an update and good luck with ur AR,. i am sure u will be through .. how did u complain through common complain address which can be found on UKVI website.. and then u mentioned case workers name...
u said u attached the photos and more documents .. u posted the documents as well before sending AR and gave reference number of royal delivery + name of person who received it.
i am asking all these questions as so many ppl who have been rejected on these silly reasons can take this approach .. it will help them to make a complain and AR.
and did u receive email from caseworker himself or jus from complains department same email address but mentioning caseworkers name..
thanku indeed fr all your update and answers we all are praying for u ....

yes the same complaint address on the website I used two days before Submitting AR and attached all documents there.
I posted the same documents to UKVI
I got email reply on my complain and it was from the same team who refused my visa. The same team name was on my letter.

[heyaheya]

Just to update.

I got reply from the HOME OFFICE. Confirming they had received my complained email and AR.

I also send the supporting documents in post. I do believe they will attached my email documents with my AR. They confirmed in email reply they have received both AR and email and can confirm my case is being treated as an urgent matter.

This email is from the same case worker team who refused my extension application.

hello thanks for an update and good luck with ur AR,. i am sure u will be through .. how did u complain through common complain address which can be found on UKVI website.. and then u mentioned case workers name...
u said u attached the photos and more documents .. u posted the documents as well before sending AR and gave reference number of royal delivery + name of person who received it.
i am asking all these questions as so many ppl who have been rejected on these silly reasons can take this approach .. it will help them to make a complain and AR.
and did u receive email from caseworker himself or jus from complains department same email address but mentioning caseworkers name..
thanku indeed fr all your update and answers we all are praying for u ....

yes the same complaint address on the website I used two days before Submitting AR and attached all documents there.
I posted the same documents to UKVI
I got email reply on my complain and it was from the same team who refused my visa. The same team name was on my letter.

thats brilliant...i pray for ur success and all of us who are on same boat. you did great and refusing ur visa on these silly reasons is jus ridiculous.... inshallah evything will be fine.. keep us updated .. u sent AR on 2nd march so expecting a result by end of this month.. good luck... i think evyone should complain in detail about case workers negligence . ... take good care of yourself

[Amnaamna]

I have also VO because London offices cost effective and most of the time we work in the field. According to uk law and enterpreneur Guidance there is no requirement for office you can argue with them

I was using this address from last 6 years or so. I have import & Export Business and it is good for business impression & goodwill overseas . I missed the trap trick of HO. I have my where-house, own office at my home address where all my equipment, Computers and stock. Stupid HO case worker just refused on stupid reason. It is so painful at the end. Even though i got visa i wouldnt stay in this country we better move this business to other country. Canada or somewhere else. we had choose the wrong country.

[Amnaamna]

Just to update.

I got reply from the HOME OFFICE. Confirming they had received my complained email and AR.

I also send the supporting documents in post. I do believe they will attached my email documents with my AR. They confirmed in email reply they have received both AR and email and can confirm my case is being treated as an urgent matter.

This email is from the same case worker team who refused my extension application.

hello thanks for an update and good luck with ur AR,. i am sure u will be through .. how did u complain through common complain address which can be found on UKVI website.. and then u mentioned case workers name...
u said u attached the photos and more documents .. u posted the documents as well before sending AR and gave reference number of royal delivery + name of person who received it.
i am asking all these questions as so many ppl who have been rejected on these silly reasons can take this approach .. it will help them to make a complain and AR.
and did u receive email from caseworker himself or jus from complains department same email address but mentioning caseworkers name..
thanku indeed fr all your update and answers we all are praying for u ....

yes the same complaint address on the website I used two days before Submitting AR and attached all documents there.
I posted the same documents to UKVI
I got email reply on my complain and it was from the same team who refused my visa. The same team name was on my letter.

thats brilliant...i pray for ur success and all of us who are on same boat. you did great and refusing ur visa on these silly reasons is jus ridiculous.... inshallah evything will be fine.. keep us updated .. u sent AR on 2nd march so expecting a result by end of this month.. good luck... i think evyone should complain in detail about case workers negligence . ... take good care of yourself

Thanks for your prayers. It was terrible decision. I don't know about this for others if it would work for them or not but I had just done it. The HO office itself abusing the system by refusing people on silly reasons. Few people tell it will effect your application if you complain to home office. I dont know. I had strongly complained and challenged them.

[heyaheya]

hello thanks for an update and good luck with ur AR,. i am sure u will be through .. how did u complain through common complain address which can be found on UKVI website.. and then u mentioned case workers name...
u said u attached the photos and more documents .. u posted the documents as well before sending AR and gave reference number of royal delivery + name of person who received it.
i am asking all these questions as so many ppl who have been rejected on these silly reasons can take this approach .. it will help them to make a complain and AR.
and did u receive email from caseworker himself or jus from complains department same email address but mentioning caseworkers name..
thanku indeed fr all your update and answers we all are praying for u ....

yes the same complaint address on the website I used two days before Submitting AR and attached all documents there.
I posted the same documents to UKVI
I got email reply on my complain and it was from the same team who refused my visa. The same team name was on my letter.

thats brilliant...i pray for ur success and all of us who are on same boat. you did great and refusing ur visa on these silly reasons is jus ridiculous.... inshallah evything will be fine.. keep us updated .. u sent AR on 2nd march so expecting a result by end of this month.. good luck... i think evyone should complain in detail about case workers negligence . ... take good care of yourself

Thanks for your prayers. It was terrible decision. I don't know about this for others if it would work for them or not but I had just done it. The HO office itself abusing the system by refusing people on silly reasons. Few people tell it will effect your application if you complain to home office. I dont know. I had strongly complained and challenged them.


no amna it wont be effected .. trust me....i m not sure what did u write but i am sure it will be something like your AR. but this is right decision made by you to complain...!! you will be perfectly fine inshallah .. you dont have be scared that u made complain.

[nali78]

Don’t listen others always seniors members on this forum I’m sure you will be successful in your AR pray for you