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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by kb1234 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:00 pm

kb1234 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:54 am
Hi all - this board has been very helpful/informative so thank you for that. I am a first time applicant with 43 points (non shortage, 43K salary) and based on everything I have accepted that this is not my month, although I have yet to receive a response. My employer may be open to increasing salary so we can have a stronger application next month, but I wonder about having to re-do the Labor Market Test. My current LMKT did not list a specific salary band, but instead listed the salary as "competitive" so I am a bit confused about how that works. Would we have to re-do test to increase to say 50K? Or to 55K? Thanks in advance!
RLMT*

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by worldlukie » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:21 pm

kb1234 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:54 am
Hi all - this board has been very helpful/informative so thank you for that. I am a first time applicant with 43 points (non shortage, 43K salary) and based on everything I have accepted that this is not my month, although I have yet to receive a response. My employer may be open to increasing salary so we can have a stronger application next month, but I wonder about having to re-do the Labor Market Test. My current LMKT did not list a specific salary band, but instead listed the salary as "competitive" so I am a bit confused about how that works. Would we have to re-do test to increase to say 50K? Or to 55K? Thanks in advance!
your employer would have to re advertise the job at a higher rate!

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by hopeful4000 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:33 pm

krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:37 am
If you have advertised for 47-49 it doesn't make that much difference to increase the salary. Even the 30% start doing that you ll have a big blockage. And there are companies like mine don't advertise the range they advertise it as 'Conpetetive salary' so they can increase the salary to the maximum band of that particular role.
the problem is that 45 to 49999 is one bracket - so within that bracket maximum people are waiting - so this is a puzzle no one can solve

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by kb1234 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:35 pm

worldlukie wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:21 pm
kb1234 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:54 am
Hi all - this board has been very helpful/informative so thank you for that. I am a first time applicant with 43 points (non shortage, 43K salary) and based on everything I have accepted that this is not my month, although I have yet to receive a response. My employer may be open to increasing salary so we can have a stronger application next month, but I wonder about having to re-do the Labor Market Test. My current RLMT did not list a specific salary band, but instead listed the salary as "competitive" so I am a bit confused about how that works. Would we have to re-do test to increase to say 50K? Or to 55K? Thanks in advance!
your employer would have to re advertise the job at a higher rate!
The RLMT advertisement didn't have a monetary value associated with it, just "competitive salary." If they re-advertised they then again would not attach a number, but continue using "competitive salary" so I guess I am confused as to how re-advertising would change anything? Maybe I am missing something...

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by worldlukie » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:49 pm

kb1234 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:35 pm
worldlukie wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:21 pm
kb1234 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:54 am
Hi all - this board has been very helpful/informative so thank you for that. I am a first time applicant with 43 points (non shortage, 43K salary) and based on everything I have accepted that this is not my month, although I have yet to receive a response. My employer may be open to increasing salary so we can have a stronger application next month, but I wonder about having to re-do the Labor Market Test. My current RLMT did not list a specific salary band, but instead listed the salary as "competitive" so I am a bit confused about how that works. Would we have to re-do test to increase to say 50K? Or to 55K? Thanks in advance!
your employer would have to re advertise the job at a higher rate!
The RLMT advertisement didn't have a monetary value associated with it, just "competitive salary." If they re-advertised they then again would not attach a number, but continue using "competitive salary" so I guess I am confused as to how re-advertising would change anything? Maybe I am missing something...

It’s because readvertising at a higher rate and then allocating at a higher salary gives you more points

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by noble2004 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm

Just got update from HO website Minimum point score for successful applications in April is 46

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by tej_san » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:17 pm

noble2004 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm
Just got update from HO website Minimum point score for successful applications in April is 46

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Something is weird.

25 certificates have been borrowed from next month, but it's not mentioned!

If it's borrowed, then cut-off should b 50, but it shows 46!!

This time certificates not used in last 3 months is 0!

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by worldlukie » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:19 pm

tej_san wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:17 pm
noble2004 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm
Just got update from HO website Minimum point score for successful applications in April is 46

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Something is weird.

25 certificates have been borrowed from next month, but it's not mentioned!

If it's borrowed, then cut-off should b 50, but it shows 46!!

This time certificates not used in last 3 months is 0!
I’m on RMLT, with £50k salary but still pending. What is going on??

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by star25 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:44 pm

tej_san wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:17 pm
noble2004 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm
Just got update from HO website Minimum point score for successful applications in April is 46

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Something is weird.

25 certificates have been borrowed from next month, but it's not mentioned!

If it's borrowed, then cut-off should b 50, but it shows 46!!

This time certificates not used in last 3 months is 0!
Also noticed the 25 borrowed from May which it just scary thinking about the number of applications that must be backlogged if that only covered down to 50 points.

Excluding Milk-Round (and how many people actually fall into that category) 46-50 points is all the same group of applicants so likely they went with 46 as it looks more positive just as they did with 56-60 last month saying the cutoff was 56. 45 will have been the first points band to have missed out this month.

Returned/Unused certificates from other allocation years (April->March) cannot be carried forward into a new allocation year as it can make exceed the 20700 annual limit by the end of the year in March.

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by Hopeful_256 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:51 pm

noble2004 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm
Just got update from HO website Minimum point score for successful applications in April is 46

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Thanks noble2004. Good getting some closure! First time applicant here (45 points - refused Apr 18)...this forum is really useful! fingers crossed for the next

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by star25 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:53 pm

worldlukie wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:19 pm
tej_san wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:17 pm
noble2004 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:55 pm
Just got update from HO website Minimum point score for successful applications in April is 46

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Something is weird.

25 certificates have been borrowed from next month, but it's not mentioned!

If it's borrowed, then cut-off should b 50, but it shows 46!!

This time certificates not used in last 3 months is 0!
I’m on RMLT, with £50k salary but still pending. What is going on??
I believe pending can sometimes mean that they are still checking over all the details of your application to make sure it meets the requirements. They may ask your employer for more information & if everything is then all good it can sometimes make the application get dragged over into the next months allocation meeting if it isn’t rejected for having an error in the application.

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by sptula » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:08 pm

tej_san wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:21 am
asakya wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:48 am
hopeful4000 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:29 pm
can anyone guess how many are in the 45 range ---- 500 plus?
Long time reader first time poster. Will be applying next month for COS with 45 points. Looks bad. By my calculations there will be roughly 600 people on 45 points which makes it tough for the cut-off to drop to that in May. Why 600? Well in February the cut-off was 46 despite the fact that there were 201 certificates left over in Feb. That means we can assume let's say 250 people were on 45 (which is building up since Dec). Add in let's say another 150 new applicants on 45 for March. Same for April. Same for May. All these people + the 250 from February will be applying in May. if we subtract out the people from December since their RLMT would expire, it would still leave close to 600 people on 45 points. Could even be more but don't think it can be less. To clear all those 600 people on 45 in May it means they will have to reach down to 46 and have 500 certificates still left. What are the odds on that?
Check my earlier posts on the same. 250 can't be on 45 in Feb, it will be more than 201+100 at least.

in Feb, applicants in 45 band would be far more than 301 (more than 350 in fact), as 201 certificates carried over with 46 cut-off. This means 45 band could not be clear even after borrowing 100 certificates + a few on exceptional bases (350 approx).

In Jan, 115 carried over which means at least 250+ are in 45 band.

45 points band is not clear since December, i.e. 5 months!

Dec - approx. 150
Jan - approx.150 > 300
Feb - approx. 200 > 500 (from this month, employer started applying with higher salary)
Mar - approx. 200 > 700
Apr - approx. 200 > 900

So, I assume 45 band is badly stuck with 900+ applicants at least.

Usually, applicants are more at lower salary. So, think about how many applicants between 21 to 45 who are stuck since December!

I assume backlog is more than 5000 now, which is very difficult to clear in coming 6 months even unless HO can take some steps.

As per an article earlier, if they are planning to launch temporary worker scheme (max 2 years stay) for some 5500 NHS staff, it can be helpful.

NHS has to be removed from Restricted category, else all other industries will have challenges.

I assume there could be around 1000-1200+ applicants waiting since December with 45 points

Clearing 45 band will be a challenge , not sure if that will happen in next 3-4 months

Unless some employer asks HO to issue the number of cerificates issued by each Points band wise in April, we dont really know the volume of Shortage applications coming through..... Shortage applications are the ones causing this problem

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by AshleyEB40 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:15 pm

sptula wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:08 pm
tej_san wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:21 am
asakya wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:48 am
hopeful4000 wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 9:29 pm
can anyone guess how many are in the 45 range ---- 500 plus?
Long time reader first time poster. Will be applying next month for COS with 45 points. Looks bad. By my calculations there will be roughly 600 people on 45 points which makes it tough for the cut-off to drop to that in May. Why 600? Well in February the cut-off was 46 despite the fact that there were 201 certificates left over in Feb. That means we can assume let's say 250 people were on 45 (which is building up since Dec). Add in let's say another 150 new applicants on 45 for March. Same for April. Same for May. All these people + the 250 from February will be applying in May. if we subtract out the people from December since their RLMT would expire, it would still leave close to 600 people on 45 points. Could even be more but don't think it can be less. To clear all those 600 people on 45 in May it means they will have to reach down to 46 and have 500 certificates still left. What are the odds on that?
Check my earlier posts on the same. 250 can't be on 45 in Feb, it will be more than 201+100 at least.

in Feb, applicants in 45 band would be far more than 301 (more than 350 in fact), as 201 certificates carried over with 46 cut-off. This means 45 band could not be clear even after borrowing 100 certificates + a few on exceptional bases (350 approx).

In Jan, 115 carried over which means at least 250+ are in 45 band.

45 points band is not clear since December, i.e. 5 months!

Dec - approx. 150
Jan - approx.150 > 300
Feb - approx. 200 > 500 (from this month, employer started applying with higher salary)
Mar - approx. 200 > 700
Apr - approx. 200 > 900

So, I assume 45 band is badly stuck with 900+ applicants at least.

Usually, applicants are more at lower salary. So, think about how many applicants between 21 to 45 who are stuck since December!

I assume backlog is more than 5000 now, which is very difficult to clear in coming 6 months even unless HO can take some steps.

As per an article earlier, if they are planning to launch temporary worker scheme (max 2 years stay) for some 5500 NHS staff, it can be helpful.

NHS has to be removed from Restricted category, else all other industries will have challenges.

I assume there could be around 1000-1200+ applicants waiting since December with 45 points

Clearing 45 band will be a challenge , not sure if that will happen in next 3-4 months

Unless some employer asks HO to issue the number of cerificates issued by each Points band wise in April, we dont really know the volume of Shortage applications coming through..... Shortage applications are the ones causing this problem

I was expecting to see about 500 carried over this month but the borrowing is very concerning! It almost makes me think the same thing, that this will take months to get through just to 45 category.

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by Albagroup » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:20 pm

https://petition.parliament.uk/sponsors ... tBErQwP8Mv



Hi all – Please send these words via email, letter, social media to everyone and politiciuans/news.

Also – here is a link to the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... 2tKekrlMXL

Dear Reader

By hindering prospective NHS medical practitioners to provide primary/secondary healthcare, the public’s wellbeing and health is being sacrificed by the UK Government. Regardless of one's opinions on Brexit, the Government’s policy decisions on immigration and the NHS are posing a major risk to the health of society and the future of UK businesses. We are at a crucial juncture as skilled, overseas Doctors and General Dentists, those required to support a stricken NHS are being turned away.
Since December 2017, businesses (and inevitably taxpayers) have had to fund the 261.9% increase in salary required for front-line overseas NHS medical practitioners to enter and deliver core primary/secondary health services. For the first time in years the immigration cap has been met. Moreover, for the first time in history the cap has been met for five months in a row. Those required to provide crucial work at the time they are needed the most to meet basic, societal health requirements are prohibited from entering the health system
Action is required in order for businesses to survive and the economy to feel the benefits from professionally skilled high-earners. Of greater importance is that these skilled workers are required to ensure adequate health care is provided, thus:
- Those jobs falling under ‘shortage occupation’ have to be considered out with the annual allocation of Restricted (Tier-2 Non-EU/Overseas) Certificate of Sponsorship

As a sponsoring employer, I have first-hand experience with the successes of previous immigration processes having sponsored many vitally skilled dentists who contribute to the health and wellbeing of society, whilst benefitting the economy in abundance. Since December, I cannot stand idly by whilst patient wellbeing is drastically suffering upon strategic policy decisions overseen by the UK Government and The Rt. Hon. Caroline Nokes MP (Immigration Minister).
The details are as follows. Per Annum, there are 20,700 restricted certificates of sponsorship for employers to sponsor non-EU workers under Tier-2 (General) Visas. The Post-Brexit shortfall of nurses has led to the nursing profession being rightly placed on the shortage occupation list. With the NHS severely under-staffed and under-funded, there is also a major shortage of many medical occupations. So, to declare that the requirements of the shortage occupation list have to be within the total quota is dangerously perilous. The Government’s attempt to rationalise and propagate better immigration numbers comes at the sacrifice to UK businesses, the UK economy, and of gravest concern to myself the wellbeing of society.
This skewed process fundamentally lacks a cogent logic or correlation with the shortage occupation list and the need for other skilled NHS staff. The detrimental impact on UK businesses, employers, the NHS, millions of patients, and the wider public is perilous.


Month
Total Points Required
Salary Required (non-shortage occupation)
Increase in Salary from November 2017
November 2017
21
£21,000
N/A
December 2017
55
£55,000
£34,000
January 2018
46
£46,000
£25,000
February 2018
45
£45,000
£24,000
March 2018
56
£56,000
£35,000

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Current issues concerning the Windrush Generation reflect the level of insecurity and polarised hostility engulfing politics and society. Placing patient care at risk is unpalatable. To quote a prospective NHS worker from Canada:
’ I understand why this system is in place. Every country wants to protect its borders and control flow of immigration. This is fine. I have no issues with that. My issue is that I work for the NHS. Very few make >50K. Especially newly qualified staff. Everyone knows the NHS is short-staffed and in a crises across the board and in particular winter months. It's getting much worse and will continue to do so as EU citizens are leaving the UK at record numbers. Who's going to suffer? At the end of the day it is the patients’
Sincerely,
A Concerned Business-Owner and Citizen

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by cali1234 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:40 pm

Would be good if this issue was also in the lime light similar to the wind rush situation that has happened recently.

I am not sure why the media is not covering the Tier 2 crisis story more intensely, as there is no doubt that the NHS is going to suffer and so are many other UK businesses.
Removing the shortage occupation from the monthly allocation would be good idea . Even if this was too be done for only 3-4 months that would have been enough to fix the problem and help clear the backlog of Tier 2 applications.

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by cali1234 » Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:42 pm

Idiot spammer wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:20 pm
https://petition.parliament.uk/sponsors ... tBErQwP8Mv



Hi all – Please send these words via email, letter, social media to everyone and politiciuans/news.

Also – here is a link to the petition: https://petition.parliament.uk/petition ... 2tKekrlMXL

Dear Reader

By hindering prospective NHS medical practitioners to provide primary/secondary healthcare, the public’s wellbeing and health is being sacrificed by the UK Government. Regardless of one's opinions on Brexit, the Government’s policy decisions on immigration and the NHS are posing a major risk to the health of society and the future of UK businesses. We are at a crucial juncture as skilled, overseas Doctors and General Dentists, those required to support a stricken NHS are being turned away.
Since December 2017, businesses (and inevitably taxpayers) have had to fund the 261.9% increase in salary required for front-line overseas NHS medical practitioners to enter and deliver core primary/secondary health services. For the first time in years the immigration cap has been met. Moreover, for the first time in history the cap has been met for five months in a row. Those required to provide crucial work at the time they are needed the most to meet basic, societal health requirements are prohibited from entering the health system
Action is required in order for businesses to survive and the economy to feel the benefits from professionally skilled high-earners. Of greater importance is that these skilled workers are required to ensure adequate health care is provided, thus:
- Those jobs falling under ‘shortage occupation’ have to be considered out with the annual allocation of Restricted (Tier-2 Non-EU/Overseas) Certificate of Sponsorship

As a sponsoring employer, I have first-hand experience with the successes of previous immigration processes having sponsored many vitally skilled dentists who contribute to the health and wellbeing of society, whilst benefitting the economy in abundance. Since December, I cannot stand idly by whilst patient wellbeing is drastically suffering upon strategic policy decisions overseen by the UK Government and The Rt. Hon. Caroline Nokes MP (Immigration Minister).
The details are as follows. Per Annum, there are 20,700 restricted certificates of sponsorship for employers to sponsor non-EU workers under Tier-2 (General) Visas. The Post-Brexit shortfall of nurses has led to the nursing profession being rightly placed on the shortage occupation list. With the NHS severely under-staffed and under-funded, there is also a major shortage of many medical occupations. So, to declare that the requirements of the shortage occupation list have to be within the total quota is dangerously perilous. The Government’s attempt to rationalise and propagate better immigration numbers comes at the sacrifice to UK businesses, the UK economy, and of gravest concern to myself the wellbeing of society.
This skewed process fundamentally lacks a cogent logic or correlation with the shortage occupation list and the need for other skilled NHS staff. The detrimental impact on UK businesses, employers, the NHS, millions of patients, and the wider public is perilous.


Month
Total Points Required
Salary Required (non-shortage occupation)
Increase in Salary from November 2017
November 2017
21
£21,000
N/A
December 2017
55
£55,000
£34,000
January 2018
46
£46,000
£25,000
February 2018
45
£45,000
£24,000
March 2018
56
£56,000
£35,000

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Current issues concerning the Windrush Generation reflect the level of insecurity and polarised hostility engulfing politics and society. Placing patient care at risk is unpalatable. To quote a prospective NHS worker from Canada:
’ I understand why this system is in place. Every country wants to protect its borders and control flow of immigration. This is fine. I have no issues with that. My issue is that I work for the NHS. Very few make >50K. Especially newly qualified staff. Everyone knows the NHS is short-staffed and in a crises across the board and in particular winter months. It's getting much worse and will continue to do so as EU citizens are leaving the UK at record numbers. Who's going to suffer? At the end of the day it is the patients’
Sincerely,
A Concerned Business-Owner and Citizen


signed it ... although the second one is only for British citizens , I have signed the petition via the first link

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by asakya » Fri Apr 20, 2018 5:59 pm

AshleyEB40 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 4:15 pm
sptula wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:08 pm
tej_san wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:21 am
asakya wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:48 am


Long time reader first time poster. Will be applying next month for COS with 45 points. Looks bad. By my calculations there will be roughly 600 people on 45 points which makes it tough for the cut-off to drop to that in May. Why 600? Well in February the cut-off was 46 despite the fact that there were 201 certificates left over in Feb. That means we can assume let's say 250 people were on 45 (which is building up since Dec). Add in let's say another 150 new applicants on 45 for March. Same for April. Same for May. All these people + the 250 from February will be applying in May. if we subtract out the people from December since their RLMT would expire, it would still leave close to 600 people on 45 points. Could even be more but don't think it can be less. To clear all those 600 people on 45 in May it means they will have to reach down to 46 and have 500 certificates still left. What are the odds on that?
Check my earlier posts on the same. 250 can't be on 45 in Feb, it will be more than 201+100 at least.

in Feb, applicants in 45 band would be far more than 301 (more than 350 in fact), as 201 certificates carried over with 46 cut-off. This means 45 band could not be clear even after borrowing 100 certificates + a few on exceptional bases (350 approx).

In Jan, 115 carried over which means at least 250+ are in 45 band.

45 points band is not clear since December, i.e. 5 months!

Dec - approx. 150
Jan - approx.150 > 300
Feb - approx. 200 > 500 (from this month, employer started applying with higher salary)
Mar - approx. 200 > 700
Apr - approx. 200 > 900

So, I assume 45 band is badly stuck with 900+ applicants at least.

Usually, applicants are more at lower salary. So, think about how many applicants between 21 to 45 who are stuck since December!

I assume backlog is more than 5000 now, which is very difficult to clear in coming 6 months even unless HO can take some steps.

As per an article earlier, if they are planning to launch temporary worker scheme (max 2 years stay) for some 5500 NHS staff, it can be helpful.

NHS has to be removed from Restricted category, else all other industries will have challenges.

I assume there could be around 1000-1200+ applicants waiting since December with 45 points

Clearing 45 band will be a challenge , not sure if that will happen in next 3-4 months

Unless some employer asks HO to issue the number of cerificates issued by each Points band wise in April, we dont really know the volume of Shortage applications coming through..... Shortage applications are the ones causing this problem

I was expecting to see about 500 carried over this month but the borrowing is very concerning! It almost makes me think the same thing, that this will take months to get through just to 45 category.

Yeah the backlog could be anything between 600 to over a 1000. The interesting thing though is that the backlog cannot really grow any more as every new month's incoming applications at 45 will be matched by the 6 month back ones expiring. So in May we'll have new applications at 45 but December backlog will drop out. So I foresee 46 point cut-off again in May with maybe 400 certificates or so unused and carried into June. And then in June maybe there would be a 1000 or so spare certificates available beyond 46 and 45 will finally be able to get through.

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by krimurthy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:11 pm

hopeful4000 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:33 pm
krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:37 am
If you have advertised for 47-49 it doesn't make that much difference to increase the salary. Even the 30% start doing that you ll have a big blockage. And there are companies like mine don't advertise the range they advertise it as 'Conpetetive salary' so they can increase the salary to the maximum band of that particular role.
the problem is that 45 to 49999 is one bracket - so within that bracket maximum people are waiting - so this is a puzzle no one can solve
Ya am aware of that after applying 4 times now. I just said it's easy to make it 50 onve it's 47 or 49 as it may not affect the large firms that much.

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by asakya » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:29 pm

krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:11 pm
hopeful4000 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:33 pm
krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:37 am
If you have advertised for 47-49 it doesn't make that much difference to increase the salary. Even the 30% start doing that you ll have a big blockage. And there are companies like mine don't advertise the range they advertise it as 'Conpetetive salary' so they can increase the salary to the maximum band of that particular role.
the problem is that 45 to 49999 is one bracket - so within that bracket maximum people are waiting - so this is a puzzle no one can solve
Ya am aware of that after applying 4 times now. I just said it's easy to make it 50 onve it's 47 or 49 as it may not affect the large firms that much.
So if I have a 45k offer and RLMT lists salary as 'competitive' can I get my firm to increase my offer to 50 and try for RCOS in May on the basis of the same RLMT, or would they have to re-do the RLMT?

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by krimurthy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:45 pm

kb1234 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:35 pm
worldlukie wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:21 pm
kb1234 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:54 am
Hi all - this board has been very helpful/informative so thank you for that. I am a first time applicant with 43 points (non shortage, 43K salary) and based on everything I have accepted that this is not my month, although I have yet to receive a response. My employer may be open to increasing salary so we can have a stronger application next month, but I wonder about having to re-do the Labor Market Test. My current RLMT did not list a specific salary band, but instead listed the salary as "competitive" so I am a bit confused about how that works. Would we have to re-do test to increase to say 50K? Or to 55K? Thanks in advance!
your employer would have to re advertise the job at a higher rate!
The RLMT advertisement didn't have a monetary value associated with it, just "competitive salary." If they re-advertised they then again would not attach a number, but continue using "competitive salary" so I guess I am confused as to how re-advertising would change anything? Maybe I am missing something...
Hey are you from Big 4?

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by krimurthy » Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:47 pm

asakya wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:29 pm
krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:11 pm
hopeful4000 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:33 pm
krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:37 am
If you have advertised for 47-49 it doesn't make that much difference to increase the salary. Even the 30% start doing that you ll have a big blockage. And there are companies like mine don't advertise the range they advertise it as 'Conpetetive salary' so they can increase the salary to the maximum band of that particular role.
the problem is that 45 to 49999 is one bracket - so within that bracket maximum people are waiting - so this is a puzzle no one can solve
Ya am aware of that after applying 4 times now. I just said it's easy to make it 50 onve it's 47 or 49 as it may not affect the large firms that much.
So if I have a 45k offer and RLMT lists salary as 'competitive' can I get my firm to increase my offer to 50 and try for RCOS in May on the basis of the same RLMT, or would they have to re-do the RLMT?
It should be fine as long as the amount paid to you is the highest bracket for that role.
Again are you applying to a big 4?

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by DhirajG » Fri Apr 20, 2018 7:11 pm

krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:47 pm
asakya wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:29 pm
krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:11 pm
hopeful4000 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:33 pm

the problem is that 45 to 49999 is one bracket - so within that bracket maximum people are waiting - so this is a puzzle no one can solve
Ya am aware of that after applying 4 times now. I just said it's easy to make it 50 onve it's 47 or 49 as it may not affect the large firms that much.
So if I have a 45k offer and RLMT lists salary as 'competitive' can I get my firm to increase my offer to 50 and try for RCOS in May on the basis of the same RLMT, or would they have to re-do the RLMT?
It should be fine as long as the amount paid to you is the highest bracket for that role.
Again are you applying to a big 4?
My employer is one of the big 4 . And yes they do put competitive salary when advertising for the role. You can ask them to increase your salary and try your luck for the month of may.

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by canadarox » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:55 pm

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Dear Reader

By hindering prospective NHS medical practitioners to provide primary/secondary healthcare, the public’s wellbeing and health is being sacrificed by the UK Government. Regardless of one's opinions on Brexit, the Government’s policy decisions on immigration and the NHS are posing a major risk to the health of society and the future of UK businesses. We are at a crucial juncture as skilled, overseas Doctors and General Dentists, those required to support a stricken NHS are being turned away.
Since December 2017, businesses (and inevitably taxpayers) have had to fund the 261.9% increase in salary required for front-line overseas NHS medical practitioners to enter and deliver core primary/secondary health services. For the first time in years the immigration cap has been met. Moreover, for the first time in history the cap has been met for five months in a row. Those required to provide crucial work at the time they are needed the most to meet basic, societal health requirements are prohibited from entering the health system
Action is required in order for businesses to survive and the economy to feel the benefits from professionally skilled high-earners. Of greater importance is that these skilled workers are required to ensure adequate health care is provided, thus:
- Those jobs falling under ‘shortage occupation’ have to be considered out with the annual allocation of Restricted (Tier-2 Non-EU/Overseas) Certificate of Sponsorship

As a sponsoring employer, I have first-hand experience with the successes of previous immigration processes having sponsored many vitally skilled dentists who contribute to the health and wellbeing of society, whilst benefitting the economy in abundance. Since December, I cannot stand idly by whilst patient wellbeing is drastically suffering upon strategic policy decisions overseen by the UK Government and The Rt. Hon. Caroline Nokes MP (Immigration Minister).
The details are as follows. Per Annum, there are 20,700 restricted certificates of sponsorship for employers to sponsor non-EU workers under Tier-2 (General) Visas. The Post-Brexit shortfall of nurses has led to the nursing profession being rightly placed on the shortage occupation list. With the NHS severely under-staffed and under-funded, there is also a major shortage of many medical occupations. So, to declare that the requirements of the shortage occupation list have to be within the total quota is dangerously perilous. The Government’s attempt to rationalise and propagate better immigration numbers comes at the sacrifice to UK businesses, the UK economy, and of gravest concern to myself the wellbeing of society.
This skewed process fundamentally lacks a cogent logic or correlation with the shortage occupation list and the need for other skilled NHS staff. The detrimental impact on UK businesses, employers, the NHS, millions of patients, and the wider public is perilous.


Month
Total Points Required
Salary Required (non-shortage occupation)
Increase in Salary from November 2017
November 2017
21
£21,000
N/A
December 2017
55
£55,000
£34,000
January 2018
46
£46,000
£25,000
February 2018
45
£45,000
£24,000
March 2018
56
£56,000
£35,000

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ponsorship
Current issues concerning the Windrush Generation reflect the level of insecurity and polarised hostility engulfing politics and society. Placing patient care at risk is unpalatable. To quote a prospective NHS worker from Canada:
’ I understand why this system is in place. Every country wants to protect its borders and control flow of immigration. This is fine. I have no issues with that. My issue is that I work for the NHS. Very few make >50K. Especially newly qualified staff. Everyone knows the NHS is short-staffed and in a crises across the board and in particular winter months. It's getting much worse and will continue to do so as EU citizens are leaving the UK at record numbers. Who's going to suffer? At the end of the day it is the patients’
Sincerely,
A Concerned Business-Owner and Citizen
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Once it's improved i'll get it posted to various groups and get the word out! The more that people know the better!

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by asakya » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:35 am

krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:47 pm
asakya wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:29 pm
krimurthy wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 6:11 pm
hopeful4000 wrote:
Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:33 pm

the problem is that 45 to 49999 is one bracket - so within that bracket maximum people are waiting - so this is a puzzle no one can solve
Ya am aware of that after applying 4 times now. I just said it's easy to make it 50 onve it's 47 or 49 as it may not affect the large firms that much.
So if I have a 45k offer and RLMT lists salary as 'competitive' can I get my firm to increase my offer to 50 and try for RCOS in May on the basis of the same RLMT, or would they have to re-do the RLMT?
It should be fine as long as the amount paid to you is the highest bracket for that role.
Again are you applying to a big 4?
No idea what is the bracket for the role.

Not big 4 but a large consulting firm yes

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Re: April 2018 Restricted COS

Post by cali1234 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 8:21 am

can people please write to the BBC ... and tell them your stories best would be if everyone wrote to them so that this issue is in the lime light as well similar to the wind rush issue ..
Everyone should do this

http://www.bbc.com/news/10725415

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