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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by kcka » Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am

Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by meself2 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:13 pm

kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I'd assume DOB, EU passport number and child's age?
You can also go for a passport if you (as a EU citizen) lived in Ireland for 3 out of 4 years before child's birth, just in case you're applicable.
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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by kcka » Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:26 pm

meself2 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:13 pm
kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I'd assume DOB, EU passport number and child's age?
You can also go for a passport if you (as a EU citizen) lived in Ireland for 3 out of 4 years before child's birth, just in case you're applicable.
Thank you very much for your advice, It's just confusing as child never arrived in Ireland but was born in Ireland? We did not have 3 out of 4 years back then.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by meself2 » Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:23 pm

kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:26 pm
meself2 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:13 pm
kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I'd assume DOB, EU passport number and child's age?
You can also go for a passport if you (as a EU citizen) lived in Ireland for 3 out of 4 years before child's birth, just in case you're applicable.
Thank you very much for your advice, It's just confusing as child never arrived in Ireland but was born in Ireland? We did not have 3 out of 4 years back then.
If you wish, throw in a cover letter to explain it. The form is aimed to cater for most circumstances and it's used way more often in cases where child was born outside on the State compared to your situation.
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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by kcka » Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:32 pm

meself2 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 3:23 pm
kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 2:26 pm
meself2 wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:13 pm
kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I'd assume DOB, EU passport number and child's age?
You can also go for a passport if you (as a EU citizen) lived in Ireland for 3 out of 4 years before child's birth, just in case you're applicable.
Thank you very much for your advice, It's just confusing as child never arrived in Ireland but was born in Ireland? We did not have 3 out of 4 years back then.
If you wish, throw in a cover letter to explain it. The form is aimed to cater for most circumstances and it's used way more often in cases where child was born outside on the State compared to your situation.
You are a gent, much appreciate and thanks a mill.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by MarijanaVol » Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:31 am

kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I think you should check if Form 9 is for you, I think it might be Form 11 instead. I am not 100% sure, better to double check

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by kcka » Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:54 pm

MarijanaVol wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:31 am
kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I think you should check if Form 9 is for you, I think it might be Form 11 instead. I am not 100% sure, better to double check
Thanks for your input, I am already naturalized and only applying on behalf of my minor child on form 9.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by MarijanaVol » Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:06 pm

kcka wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:54 pm
MarijanaVol wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:31 am
kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I think you should check if Form 9 is for you, I think it might be Form 11 instead. I am not 100% sure, better to double check
Thanks for your input, I am already naturalized and only applying on behalf of my minor child on form 9.
Form 11 is also for minor.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by kcka » Thu Feb 09, 2023 4:37 pm

MarijanaVol wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 8:06 pm
kcka wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 3:54 pm
MarijanaVol wrote:
Wed Feb 08, 2023 11:31 am
kcka wrote:
Mon Feb 06, 2023 11:18 am
Please I need help/advice on what to write? Child was born in the state and has EU passport since birth.
Form 9 Naturalized adult on behalf of minor.
Questions: SECTION 4 (RESIDENCY DETAILS) MINOR
4:1 = Date of arrival in Ireland ?
4:2 = Passport number ?
4:3 = Number of years resident in state ?
I think you should check if Form 9 is for you, I think it might be Form 11 instead. I am not 100% sure, better to double check
Thanks for your input, I am already naturalized and only applying on behalf of my minor child on form 9.
Form 11 is also for minor.
Absolutely, Thanks. Like I mentioned as a naturalized citizen I can use either forms but I choose form 9 as I meet the criteria.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by chuchuyo » Sun Feb 12, 2023 5:33 pm

HI All, Checking if anyone received child naturalization approval this side of the year i.e. in 2023 ?

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by youngmoon » Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:03 pm

No one received any communications except the ones that approved the citizenship from October 2022. Not even the acknowledgment.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by MarijanaVol » Tue Feb 14, 2023 12:19 pm

youngmoon wrote:
Mon Feb 13, 2023 5:03 pm
No one received any communications except the ones that approved the citizenship from October 2022. Not even the acknowledgment.
We received acknowledgment letter today. Applied in August last year.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by kcka » Wed Feb 15, 2023 11:53 am

Hi all, Please do I need to fill out the PARENTAL CONSENT or just put N/A as my child is just thirteen. Any advice? :?:

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by vl9codw1eo » Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am

Hey guys, i am in a weird situation where me and my wife both got Irish passport recently and we applied for Kid's afterwards. It turns out Kid's existing Indian passport is due to expire this month end and when i applied to Embassy for a renewal they sent the application back stating it can't be done as none of the parents are Indian anymore.

It turns out Kid will be without a valid passport if situation remains the same and looking at posts a kid's application can take long time too.

Anyone have encountered similar situation or have any suggestions what our options are now?
Thanks in advance.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by chuchuyo » Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:19 pm

vl9codw1eo wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am
Hey guys, i am in a weird situation where me and my wife both got Irish passport recently and we applied for Kid's afterwards. It turns out Kid's existing Indian passport is due to expire this month end and when i applied to Embassy for a renewal they sent the application back stating it can't be done as none of the parents are Indian anymore.

It turns out Kid will be without a valid passport if situation remains the same and looking at posts a kid's application can take long time too.

Anyone have encountered similar situation or have any suggestions what our options are now?
Thanks in advance.
This is crazy, how can a child be stateless ? Currenly your child is indian citizen on it's own, not because he's your child, so his nationality has no link with yours . I suggest to visit Indian Embassy physically & check & explain.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by MarijanaVol » Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:12 pm

vl9codw1eo wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am
Hey guys, i am in a weird situation where me and my wife both got Irish passport recently and we applied for Kid's afterwards. It turns out Kid's existing Indian passport is due to expire this month end and when i applied to Embassy for a renewal they sent the application back stating it can't be done as none of the parents are Indian anymore.

It turns out Kid will be without a valid passport if situation remains the same and looking at posts a kid's application can take long time too.

Anyone have encountered similar situation or have any suggestions what our options are now?
Thanks in advance.
If you still have Indian citizenship I presume child can get passport under some special circumstances (child has no other passport). If you are not Indian citizens anymore, I’d say this is the case for Irish citizenship. Maybe you can send them a letter explaining your problem, they might take your child case as urgent

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by meself2 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:10 am

vl9codw1eo wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am
Hey guys, i am in a weird situation where me and my wife both got Irish passport recently and we applied for Kid's afterwards. It turns out Kid's existing Indian passport is due to expire this month end and when i applied to Embassy for a renewal they sent the application back stating it can't be done as none of the parents are Indian anymore.

It turns out Kid will be without a valid passport if situation remains the same and looking at posts a kid's application can take long time too.

Anyone have encountered similar situation or have any suggestions what our options are now?
Thanks in advance.
https://indiancitizenshiponline.nic.in/acquisition1.htm
A person born outside India on or after 3rd Decmber, 2004 shall not be a citizen of India, unless the parents declare that the minor does not hold passport of another country and his birth is registered at an Indian consulate within one year of the date of birth or with the permission of the Central Government, after the expiry of the said period.
Since the child had an Indian passport, I assume the declaration was submitted and child was registered? Then use it to state child isn't naturalized, so no other nationality for him is possible.
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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by meself2 » Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:18 am

MarijanaVol wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:12 pm
vl9codw1eo wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am
Hey guys, i am in a weird situation where me and my wife both got Irish passport recently and we applied for Kid's afterwards. It turns out Kid's existing Indian passport is due to expire this month end and when i applied to Embassy for a renewal they sent the application back stating it can't be done as none of the parents are Indian anymore.

It turns out Kid will be without a valid passport if situation remains the same and looking at posts a kid's application can take long time too.

Anyone have encountered similar situation or have any suggestions what our options are now?
Thanks in advance.
If you still have Indian citizenship I presume child can get passport under some special circumstances (child has no other passport). If you are not Indian citizens anymore, I’d say this is the case for Irish citizenship. Maybe you can send them a letter explaining your problem, they might take your child case as urgent
Indians cannot hold dual citizenship.
As child had an Indian passport, they should have been registered with consulate to get it. Citizenship doesn't usually disappear just because of the parents' status.
Not a qualified immigration adviser. Use links and references given to gain confirmation and/or extra information.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by MarijanaVol » Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:17 pm

meself2 wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:18 am
MarijanaVol wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:12 pm
vl9codw1eo wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am
Hey guys, i am in a weird situation where me and my wife both got Irish passport recently and we applied for Kid's afterwards. It turns out Kid's existing Indian passport is due to expire this month end and when i applied to Embassy for a renewal they sent the application back stating it can't be done as none of the parents are Indian anymore.

It turns out Kid will be without a valid passport if situation remains the same and looking at posts a kid's application can take long time too.

Anyone have encountered similar situation or have any suggestions what our options are now?
Thanks in advance.
If you still have Indian citizenship I presume child can get passport under some special circumstances (child has no other passport). If you are not Indian citizens anymore, I’d say this is the case for Irish citizenship. Maybe you can send them a letter explaining your problem, they might take your child case as urgent
Indians cannot hold dual citizenship.
As child had an Indian passport, they should have been registered with consulate to get it. Citizenship doesn't usually disappear just because of the parents' status.
I am sure child still has Indian citizenship, the only problem is that parents have to apply for his passport on behalf of their child. Since parents have no Indian citizenship anymore, they can’t apply. Child would be able to get passport if he is over 18, but under 18 parents apply for it.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by RCCar » Mon Feb 20, 2023 6:07 pm

What the approximate time minor application processed (form 9) - the same as adults?
And what's faster form 9 or form 11?

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by youngmoon » Tue Feb 21, 2023 11:29 am

More or less it is the similar timelines of adult applications. In comparison with Forms 9 and 11, form 9 is simple to fill out.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by vl9codw1eo » Tue Feb 21, 2023 1:15 pm

MarijanaVol wrote:
Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:17 pm
meself2 wrote:
Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:18 am
MarijanaVol wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:12 pm
vl9codw1eo wrote:
Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:28 am
Hey guys, i am in a weird situation where me and my wife both got Irish passport recently and we applied for Kid's afterwards. It turns out Kid's existing Indian passport is due to expire this month end and when i applied to Embassy for a renewal they sent the application back stating it can't be done as none of the parents are Indian anymore.

It turns out Kid will be without a valid passport if situation remains the same and looking at posts a kid's application can take long time too.

Anyone have encountered similar situation or have any suggestions what our options are now?
Thanks in advance.
If you still have Indian citizenship I presume child can get passport under some special circumstances (child has no other passport). If you are not Indian citizens anymore, I’d say this is the case for Irish citizenship. Maybe you can send them a letter explaining your problem, they might take your child case as urgent
Indians cannot hold dual citizenship.
As child had an Indian passport, they should have been registered with consulate to get it. Citizenship doesn't usually disappear just because of the parents' status.
I am sure child still has Indian citizenship, the only problem is that parents have to apply for his passport on behalf of their child. Since parents have no Indian citizenship anymore, they can’t apply. Child would be able to get passport if he is over 18, but under 18 parents apply for it.
That is exactly what the situation is. I sent them en email after my post here last week and no response yet. Sent them a follow up again today. They must have some kind of alternative here as kid will be stateless otherwise which doesn't make any sense as he is by birth an India citizen unless renounced, which he clearly hasn't.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by youngmoon » Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:53 am

Update: Minor naturalization applications that were sent before December 15th started to get acknowledgments now.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by MikeaLarrison » Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:29 pm

The naturalization process for children can be complex, especially when they are in foster care, so it's important to get professional help from [content deleted by moderator] to ensure all the necessary steps are taken. It's also important to remember that the child's parent or legal guardian must sign the naturalization application, which can be challenging if the child is in foster care. Therefore, making sure the child is connected with their parent or guardian is key.

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Re: Children naturalization application

Post by chad » Tue Mar 14, 2023 11:48 am

Hello all, has anyone received a letter saying that child’s application is being submitted to the Minister?? It is signed by a person (name visible rather than the name of the office). How long does it take after this step, does anyone know??? Thank you all

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