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Which Visa is best to travel to germany?

Post by sunshine_city » Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:45 pm

HI all,

first of all I have to thank you all for so many helpful topics and answers!
I hope I can find some useful answers to my case as well!
I am german citizen marries to an indian. we got married 1.5 yrs ago in the usa, then moved about 1 yr ago to dublin. My husband got his stamp 4 after 6months waiting (stamp 4 for 2 yrs).
We would like to travel to germany to visit my family, but the embassy makes it quiet hard for him to get a visa. They didn't even wanted to accept our marriage certificate, because apparently the apostille was stapled to the cerificate by american officials in the wrong way...
also not to ralk about the invitation letter...
I heard it might be possible to travel without visa and that officials at the airport need to let him into the country, 'cause we're married and they can not refuse him once we travel together...
Does anyone know if that is true?
Or could there be another way to receive a visa for a short term visit?

Thanks in advance for ur help!

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Re: Which Visa is best to travel to germany?

Post by ca.funke » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:02 pm

sunshine_city wrote:HI all,

first of all I have to thank you all for so many helpful topics and answers!
I hope I can find some useful answers to my case as well!
I am german citizen marries to an indian. we got married 1.5 yrs ago in the usa, then moved about 1 yr ago to dublin. My husband got his stamp 4 after 6months waiting (stamp 4 for 2 yrs).
We would like to travel to germany to visit my family, but the embassy makes it quiet hard for him to get a visa. They didn't even wanted to accept our marriage certificate, because apparently the apostille was stapled to the cerificate by american officials in the wrong way...
also not to ralk about the invitation letter...
I heard it might be possible to travel without visa and that officials at the airport need to let him into the country, 'cause we're married and they can not refuse him once we travel together...
Does anyone know if that is true?
Or could there be another way to receive a visa for a short term visit?

Thanks in advance for ur help!

Hi, you may want to read here and when you're finished with that lodge a complaint against Germany here.

For practical matters I suggest you apply for a Schengen-Visa with the Austrian embassy, which also gives you access to Germany. They are very helpful, in a more central location than the German embassy, no Qs, and printing an itinerary, providing them with 2 passports and your marriage-certificate is enough.

And Vienna is a nice city to visit anyway.

Gruß aus -ebenfalls- Dublin, Christian
Last edited by ca.funke on Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Post by sunshine_city » Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:29 pm

Thanks a million! :P
so u think if we go to the austrian embassy with our itinerary and pasports an marriage certificate it should be fine? Is there a minimum that we need to stay in austria?? what about hotel reservations etc???
Is the fee still free, since I am european?
Thanks again for the great help!
Liebe Grüße aus Dublin :D

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:11 pm

You need to provide your passports, and you need to provide your marriage certificate. That is all.

You do not need to provide an itinerary, hotel reservations, flight reservations, health insurance or a Verflichtungseklarung.

Always ask for a 90 day Multiple entry visa.

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Post by Sahil » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:29 am

sunshine_city wrote:Thanks a million! :P
so u think if we go to the austrian embassy with our itinerary and pasports an marriage certificate it should be fine? Is there a minimum that we need to stay in austria?? what about hotel reservations etc???
Is the fee still free, since I am european?
Thanks again for the great help!
Liebe Grüße aus Dublin :D
Hi,

- Both passports
- Marriage Cert
- Application form
- ask for 6 months Schengen Visa
- No fees (As you are EU citizen)
- 1 to 2 weeks process

Once you have Schengen visa - you need not to travel threw Austria. you can go to Germany direct. (having said that i still advise you to go to Vienna once.... mind blowing place)

Liebe Grüße aus Dublin,

Sahil

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Post by ca.funke » Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:56 am

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:You need to provide your passports, and you need to provide your marriage certificate. That is all.

You do not need to provide an itinerary, hotel reservations, flight reservations, health insurance or a Verflichtungseklarung.

Always ask for a 90 day Multiple entry visa.
This (2 passports and marriage-certificate) is how the law provides it SHOULD be, I agree.

Practical problem: The embassies don't care - that's why IMHO everyone should log complaints against all countries who do not deal with it in exactly the prescribed manner.

If you want to travel, although this is against the law, it seems that currently reservations and travel-insurance is needed, because if you don't provide them you won't get the visa. In this case the law is on your side, but for practical matters you will remain where you are.

At least I do not know of a way to "force" the embassy to accept "lawful" applications, without going through the courts. And this would take forever...

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:31 pm

A few of the staff at the embassies understand the rights of family members of EU citizens. And many are just there to follow the simple rules they have learned in the past and not think too much.

You can usually get them to follow the law by pointing it out to them. Realisticaly nobody else but you is going to educate them about the law.

I am not in the position to apply as a spouse of a German citizen for a German visa. But if I were, I would apply with only the following:

(1) two passports, marriage certficate, visa photo

(2) A copy of a recent pay slip for the EU citizen (proof the EU citizen is exercising treaty rights)

(3) visa application filled out with only the non-starred section - reason for visit "Tourism and looking at possible work options in Germany". If possible do not include dates of travel, references in Germany, address in Germany, travel reservation details. Ask for a 90 day (or more) multiple entry visa.

(4) A letter that explains
My EU citizen spouse is presently exercising treaty rights in Ireland by working (pay slip attached as proof).

I therefore elect for European law (Directive 2004/38/EC) to be used for evaluation of this application. As I am sure you are aware, the (attached) ECJ ruling in Surinder Singh (Case C-370/90 The Queen v Immigration Appeal Tribunal et Surinder Singh, ex parte Secretary of State for Home Department) entitles me to use EU law for this application. If you have any questions about the legal basis of this application, please contact the legal section in Berlin.

I have provided identification for EU citizen and for myself, as well as proof of our family relationship. I have also provided proof that my EU citizen spouse is exercising treaty rights in Ireland.

You are required to process this visa on the basis of an accelerated process and it must be issued as soon as possible. Should you not issue this visa within 15 business days, I expect a complete written explanation about the reason for the delay.

Should you decide to reject this application, you are obliged to provide detailed explanation of the reason(s) (which must be one of the three possible reasons allowed by Directive 2004/38/EC).

Herzliche Grüße,

xxx
(5) a copy of the Suridar Singh decision, printed out with the important ruling paragraph highlighted ( see http://eumovement.wordpress.com/2007/04 ... ional-law/ )

(6) a copy of Directive 2004/38/EC printed out with highlighted sections on speed of visa issue, and requirement to explain refusal

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