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Repeated Inquiry about if Baby Born In UK

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:19 am

Dear All

I know this repeated story but some information needed to be update on my quotation

I born in UAE Dubai and I hold British citizen passport by descent with registration certificate under section 4B been qualified from my British overseas citizen passport.

Earlier - Since I born in Dubai I was having the British overseas citizen this was from my parents (both are born in Aden Yemen colony) who were having British overseas citizen since that time, as well as my grandfather who was having the British passport.

My parents also got the qualified to British citizen registration certificate and hold British citizen passports currently, however all of us are under the same section which is 4B as described by descent.

I live in Dubai as it’s my main home and working here as well with my wife.

My wife is none British national and we are excepting to have new born baby soon and we have contacted the British embassy for inquiry regarding the child passport they advised that being British citizen by descent does not have the ability to transmit the nationality and issue passport to my children if they born in Dubai and the child will end up with stateless in UAE (my wife can’t transmit her nationality as per her country law),

However if my wife give the birth and to be born in UK and my name is mentioned and indicated in the birth certificate of the child the baby is entitled for the passport automatically.

Is this information is correct ? is the current British citizen nationality I have is sufficient to transmit it to my baby if born in UK and issue the passport immediately or must see the previous category of my British nationality which was oversees citizen and build some requirements and decision on.

If I am not permanent residence in UK will this also affect the issue of the baby passport.

We are very worried about the states of our baby and we need proper gaudiness as might be some information we are not aware about it and get surprised when we reach UK.


Thank you and hope to hear from you soon

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:25 am

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Re: Repeated Inquiry about if Baby Born In UK

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:33 am

Waleed01 wrote:However if my wife give the birth and to be born in UK and my name is mentioned and indicated in the birth certificate of the child the baby is entitled for the passport automatically.

Is this information is correct ?
Yes.
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:37 am

Dear Vinny

Thank you

What about my concerns regarding the:

Must see the previous category of my British nationality which was oversees citizen and build some requirements and decision on.

And

I am not permanent residence in UK will this also affect the issue of the baby passport issuance.

I gave full information on my category I wish if someone with similar case or expert give me a gaudiness

Thanks

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Repeated Inquiry about if Baby Born In UK

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:48 am

Dear All

I know this repeated story but some information needed to be update on my quotation

I born in UAE Dubai and I hold British citizen passport by descent with registration certificate under section 4B been qualified from my British overseas citizen passport.

Earlier - Since I born in Dubai I was having the British overseas citizen this was from my parents (both are born in Aden Yemen colony) who were having British overseas citizen since that time, as well as my grandfather who was having the British passport.

My parents also got the qualified to British citizen registration certificate and hold British citizen passports currently, however all of us are under the same section which is 4B as described by descent.

I live in Dubai as it’s my main home and working here as well with my wife.

My wife is none British national and we are excepting to have new born baby soon and we have contacted the British embassy for inquiry regarding the child passport they advised that being British citizen by descent does not have the ability to transmit the nationality and issue passport to my children if they born in Dubai and the child will end up with stateless in UAE (my wife can’t transmit her nationality as per her country law),

However if my wife give the birth and to be born in UK and my name is mentioned and indicated in the birth certificate of the child the baby is entitled for the passport automatically.

Is this information is correct ? is the current British citizen nationality I have is sufficient to transmit it to my baby if born in UK and issue the passport immediately or must see the previous category of my British nationality which was oversees citizen and build some requirements and decision on.

I am not permanent residence in UK will this also affect the issue of the baby passport.

We are very worried about the states of our baby and we need proper gaudiness as might be some information we are not aware about it and get surprised when we reach UK.


Thank you and hope to hear from you soon

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Re: Repeated Inquiry about if Baby Born In UK

Post by member » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:33 am

Waleed01 wrote: I am not permanent residence in UK will this also affect the issue of the baby passport.
Do you mean:

You are not a permanent resident in the UK?

or

You do not have a permanent residence in the UK?

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:48 am

Dear

I am leaving in UAE and working here, i don't have permanent resident in UK

however when we come we will rent flat for 4 months for the delivery of my wife

Hope this answer is fine

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 5:51 am

vinny wrote:M.
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:03 am

It's sufficient that when the baby is born:

The father is a British citizen
The baby is born in the UK

Then the baby to be automatically British.

Anything else is irrelevant.

A problem may be getting your wife to the UK for the birth.
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:54 am

Dear

What about the previous history of my qualified to British citizen, is this will be touched and discussed as I born out of UK

I heared that they are looking at the previous generation and how did I got it and how my father and mother got it

and also I heared that if you don't have connection with UK it might affect also the application as well as the child end up when he grow is he coming to UK

connection means that coming and going UK - family - etc

so I thought maybe there are some dark points I am not aware about - so please if can advice about these points

Thank you

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by member » Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:58 am

Have you had other nationality besides BC and BOC?

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:02 am

Never

Currently I have British Citizen

BOC is no more valid as the passport is not renewed since more that 10 years

But is this can be discussed - although I have British citizen by descent and the act law clearly mentioned that if born in UK will be British citizen

Maybe there are some point in the dark I don't know

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by member » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:17 am

Will you consider to get your baby delivered in your wife's country of origin if you are worried being in the UK?

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 7:27 am

No my dear

but my situation is little worried as we are both working in UAE and things need to be organized, you know annual leave and employer rules

I meant : will they treat my baby application being born in UK on my current states which British citizen by descent, or they will look in the past and looks if baby is entitled or not based on the previous history which I believe its not valid since the day I granted the registration certificate as British Citizen from HM !

If its this way - why the rules are mentioned that baby born in Uk will be automatically be British if one of the parent are British at the time birth

I am confused .. need help please

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by cs95tdg » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:26 am

Waleed01 wrote:will they treat my baby application being born in UK on my current states which British citizen by descent, or they will look in the past and looks if baby is entitled or not based on the previous history which I believe its not valid since the day I granted the registration certificate as British Citizen from HM !

If its this way - why the rules are mentioned that baby born in Uk will be automatically be British if one of the parent are British at the time birth

I am confused .. need help please
I would go by Vinny's advise...

http://www.immigrationboards.com/britis ... l#p1379960

If you are British (irrespective of whether by descent or otherwise) and your child is born in the UK then the child will be British. Everything else you speak of is irrelevant.

Your key problem which Vinny' has highlighted is how your wife will gain entry to give birth in the UK.

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:28 am

Waleed01 wrote:baby born in Uk will be automatically be British if one of the parent are British at the time birth
That's correct.
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:52 am

Thank you for your feedback - you mean they don't touch those points when I will approach them to issue the passport of my baby

what about the address if I am not permanent residence in UK is this an issue ? we will rent flat

regarding my wife entry we issue visitor visa as per the advice from UK visa section HM from, they ask us how many months she need to stay in UK I told them she will need maximum 4 months they said issue visitor visa online as she is entitled for visa online weaver and we got the visa.

https://www.gov.uk/get-electronic-visa-waiver


regarding the cost of hospital - it will be paid by us even in privet hospital if NHS refused to accept us as privet customer ready to pay their cost

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:04 am

Waleed01 wrote:Thank you for your feedback - you mean they don't touch those points when I will approach them to issue the passport of my baby

what about the address if I am not permanent residence in UK is this an issue ? we will rent flat
cs95tdg wrote:If you are British (irrespective of whether by descent or otherwise) and your child is born in the UK then the child will be British. Everything else you speak of is irrelevant.
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:11 am

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Casa » Wed Jul 27, 2016 9:40 am

Are you aware that as a visitor, your wife won't have access to the NHS for the birth of your baby? Any NHS treatment, GP consultations, ante-natal, the birth and post-natal will be charged at 150%. Even with a pre-issued visitor visa your wife could risk being refused entry if the IO believes she is entering with the intention to give birth and not as a genuine visitor. You should apply for a medical visitor visa:
If you’re applying to visit for private medical treatment
You must prove that you:
have a medical condition that needs private consultation or treatment in the UK
have made or paid for arrangements for consultations or treatment
have enough money to pay for your treatment, support yourself without using public funds and pay for your return or onward journey
will leave the UK once your treatment is completed, or when your visa expires
are not a danger to public health if you’re suffering from an infectious disease, eg leprosy

See Private Medical Treatment (6 and 11 month visa) in this link:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _CLEAN.pdf
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:03 am

Dear Casa

When we filled the application online we ticked on the reason of the travel to UK is medical care,

there was other options like tourist leaguer - family visit - attending workshop - medical care

and we mentioned the period required is 3 months

Visa was issued

But even if the NHS we will pay the 150% extra with no issue with us and we are happy to pay, however will they agree and accept ?

if no we will find another privet hospital

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by vinny » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:20 am

You should make arrangements at a hospital as soon as possible. Some apparently require more than 9 months notice.
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Casa » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:23 am

You've been incredibly fortunate with the visa. You need to contact the hospital to agree the conditions of care/payment etc. I assume you have a plan for medical care following your arrival in the UK?
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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Waleed01 » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:52 am

Thank God

We are ready, but the biggest concern was the points I mentioned with the next action after the delivery regarding the paper work and passport issuance

As you know we are full time employee in UAE and we cant be a way from our job -otherwise we will loss it.

My wife position is very high and we cant stay in UK more than 3.5 months away

We was worried about any surprises request out of the box might cause nightmare

Thank you dear

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Re: Baby Born In Uk

Post by Aaron-Law » Wed Jul 27, 2016 1:48 pm

Waleed01 wrote:Thank God

We are ready, but the biggest concern was the points I mentioned with the next action after the delivery regarding the paper work and passport issuance

As you know we are full time employee in UAE and we cant be a way from our job -otherwise we will loss it.

My wife position is very high and we cant stay in UK more than 3.5 months away

We was worried about any surprises request out of the box might cause nightmare

Thank you dear
Hi Waleed,
Good Afternoon!

I have been studying your case closely. You are classified as a BOC (British Overseas Citizen).
Your child, even if born in the UK may not be entitled to British citizenship from inception.
I would strongly urge you to get in touch with an Immigration Solicitor (not an agent) in the UK.

You may be able to pass BOC to your child, but it not the same as a full British nationality.
I recommend you see someone (Immigration Solicitor) once you and your wife are in the UK.
Furthermore, I have checked the UAE rules regarding to the child birth and rights of children born abroad to UAE national women and Non-UAE national fathers.


Here's a link that might help.
http://www.thenational.ae/uae/governmen ... ti-mothers

I hope this comes in handy for you'll.

Thank you,
Best regards,

Aaron.

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