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				naturalisation
				Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 12:46 pm
				by mizer
				Hi everyone 
Please feel free to read my story and let me know when i'm eligible for naturalisation 
  
  I'm non eea citizen come to UK on 2004 clandestinely 
  March 2007 get married  to my ex wife (eea citizen)
  May 2007 Applied for residence card and receive it on September 2007
  Start work on 2008 till today
  JULY 2012 Granted permanent residence after (retain right of residence after divorce )
  march 2013 Applied for citizen application 
  may 2013 have domestic violence caution(with ex wife) while my application was on progress 
  Juin 2013application refused due to police caution and advised to apply on may 2016 (3 years later)
any help would be much appreciated,thank for your time.
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 1:52 pm
				by vinny
				Wait until after Sept 2017.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2016 2:15 pm
				by mizer
				thank you for your quick reply,
from my understanding it should be march 2007  as i start be legal from the day of my wedding according eea regulation or from the day the HO send me my COA with the right to work 
what do you reckon?
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:39 pm
				by mizer
				I entered the UK illegally will this impact my application?
If you entered the UK illegally in the past your application will normally be refused for 10 years from:
1 – The date in which you entered the UK illegally if this is known to the Home Officer or
2 – The date in which you first brought yourself to the attention or came to the attention of the Home Office.
after reading you link i think my 10 years start ticking from the day the home office issued for me certificate of application(COA) and i can apply from april 2017
any one can help!!!!?
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:41 pm
				by Casa
				I agree with Vinny.
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:54 pm
				by mizer
				can u explain why not april 2017!!!
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:33 am
				by mizer
				Hi everyone 
I still not convinced by vinny  and casa reply
According to the link given(good character)
Says that
 your application will be refused 10 years from the date in which you first brought yourself to attention of home office 
based on this  if I sent my EEA2 application on April 2007 to home office then received  my Certificate of Application (CAO) with right to work on may 2007 I should be entitle  to apply for citizenship on April 2017 not  September 2017
 
Anyone can help please? 

 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:48 pm
				by mizer
				i found this
British Citizen/Overstayers Waiting time 10years
http://www.immigrationboards.com/post11 ... l#p1138758 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 4:50 pm
				by ohara
				mizer wrote:Hi everyone 
I still not convinced by vinny  and casa reply
According to the link given(good character)
Says that
 your application will be refused 10 years from the date in which you first brought yourself to attention of home office 
based on this  if I sent my EEA2 application on April 2007 to home office then received  my Certificate of Application (CAO) with right to work on may 2007 I should be entitle  to apply for citizenship on April 2017 not  September 2017
 
Anyone can help please? 

 
You've been given advice by multiple knowledgeable members. It's your choice if you choose to ignore it, and if you apply in April 2017 and are successful, then congratulations. But it's your money you're gambling.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:03 pm
				by mizer
				i know that,but i just want they give me explication why not april 2017
i did contact home office on april 2017 why i can't apply on april 2017
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:11 pm
				by mizer
				
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:20 pm
				by Casa
				
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:27 pm
				by ohara
				Casa wrote:
Your link doesn't work.
 
Take the 'i' off the end!  
  
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:44 pm
				by mizer
				
			 
			
					
				No proof employed at time of naturalisation application
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:12 pm
				by mizer
				I have been illegal before I get my resident permit (after married to eea citizen)
The first year of my marriage didn't work 
Unfortunately it will be included on 10 years employment history 
Should be alright that I didn't work the first year of my last 10 years
			 
			
					
				Re: Employed at time of Naturalisation Application?
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:29 pm
				by ohara
				mizer wrote:I have been illegal before I get my resident permit (after married to eea citizen)
The first year of my marriage didn't work 
Unfortunately it will be included on 10 years employment history 
Should be alright that I didn't work the first year of my last 10 years
You will need to wait 10 years since the date you became legal.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: Employed at time of Naturalisation Application?
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:46 pm
				by mizer
				the thing is i didn't work the first year after been legal when it come to declare the last 10 years work history requirement i have to declare that year without work
			 
			
					
				Re: Employed at time of Naturalisation Application?
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 6:48 pm
				by ohara
				What's the problem exactly? There is no requirement to have been working at all.
			 
			
					
				Re: Employed at time of Naturalisation Application?
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:00 pm
				by mizer
				i scare they will ask to prove how i maintained myself that period first year after been legal
my ex helped me and i have no prove that she was working that period(she took all her document with her)
			 
			
					
				Re: Employed at time of Naturalisation Application?
				Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:18 pm
				by mizer
				ohara wrote:mizer wrote:I have been illegal before I get my resident permit (after married to eea citizen)
The first year of my marriage didn't work 
Unfortunately it will be included on 10 years employment history 
Should be alright that I didn't work the first year of my last 10 years
You will need to wait 10 years since the date you became legal.
 
    another issue here:   when i become legal?
           the day of my marriage
           the day of home office send me the certificate of application (COA) with the right of work
           the day of home office issued my permit residence
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:04 am
				by vinny
				You became a 
family member on the 
date of your marriage.
However, for legal residence, you also have to show that your spouse was a 
qualified person or had acquired 
PR, before your divorce.
Therefore, 
mizer wrote:i scare they will ask to prove how i maintained myself that period first year after been legal
my ex helped me and i have no prove that she was working that period(she took all her document with her)
 
 may be a problem.
Given your illegal entry and lack of supporting documents from your ex spouse, I would err on the side of caution and 
use their 
confirmation of your right of residence as the starting point.
I would add that to be consistent, it's safest to say that you were legal at least 5 years prior to PR.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 10:33 pm
				by mizer
				However, for legal residence, you also have to show that your spouse was a qualified person or had acquired PR, before your divorce.
i already demonstrate for the HO that my ex wife exercising her right of residence by working full time(
march 2007 to decree absolute dec 2010) when i applied for retain my right of residence after divorce(ROR) 
and  i shown them her documents again when i applied for 
-PR(march 2007 to dec2010 her documents+jan 2011 to march 2012 my documents)
-citizenship (i didn't wait one year after received PR I applied 6 years from the day of marriage march 2007 to march 2013 )    
 
 I would add that to be consistent, it's safest to say that you were legal at least 5 years prior to PR 
    
i received my PR on july 2012 but on the sticker is writing  june 2012 
when is the safest day to apply for citizenship?
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:13 am
				by vinny
				Probably from June 2017. Any earlier, they may want you to reproduce the documents from your ex wife, that you do not now have.
However, perhaps best apply for 
SAR first, to see what info they hold on you. It 
may indicate when they deemed you to be legal or when you actually qualified for 
PR.
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:16 am
				by mizer
				However, perhaps best apply for SAR first, to see what info they hold on you. It may indicate when they deemed you to be legal or when you actually qualified for PR.
definitely i will apply for SAR to see what record HO hold on me but
do you know how I can  request the data same  ohara  page        
 
			 
			
					
				Re: naturalisation
				Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:30 am
				by ohara
				When I filled in the SAR form, I ticked the boxes asking for everything.
When I received it there was about 60 pages, and that was one of them.