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UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:02 am
by PutiniEEA
Hi guys
I want to know if UKBA comes to check us at home but they find door locked
What happens next ??
Or if they break door ,,, who fixes it ??
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 10:04 am
by Casa
If you're in and refuse to open the door...then you fix it.
Whether you have a claim for compensation depends on the reason the Border Police were attempting to gain entry.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 12:05 pm
by UKBA HUNTER
In this case they won't damage door rather simply refuse the application. One kidnap allegation I seen that policemen came with heavy bodybuilder and carpenter who fix immediately the door and advised the landlord to collect key from them.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:39 pm
by PutiniEEA
Thanks guys for replies
But how they can reject application, summer time no one stays at home
Its unfair
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 1:47 pm
by secret.simon
If you have an application pending with the UKV&I and you think it is likely that they would come visiting, I would have thought that you would make arrangements to have somebody answer the door.
Can I ask what kind of application have you made? I have not known the UKV&I to visit an applicant's home. Even if they had the power to do so, it must be exceptional for them to do so.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:17 pm
by UKBA HUNTER
PutiniEEA wrote:Thanks guys for replies
But how they can reject application, summer time no one stays at home
Its unfair
They don't care, they can use any loophole. Why you thinking that they will come because maybe they invite you. If you still confused then why not you fit phone connection with the door bell which divert the call to your mobile phone. It's costly too.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:20 pm
by secret.simon
UKBA HUNTER wrote:they can use any loophole.
That's not a loophole. It is not for them to convince you why they should reject your visa. It is for you to convince them to grant it. In absence of such convincing, the default answer is no.
If they have told you that they will be visiting, they must have been really unconvinced of your documentation.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:55 pm
by UKBA HUNTER
secret.simon wrote:UKBA HUNTER wrote:they can use any loophole.
That's not a loophole. It is not for them to convince you why they should reject your visa. It is for you to convince them to grant it. In absence of such convincing, the default answer is no.
If they have told you that they will be visiting, they must have been really unconvinced of your documentation.
It's indeed like a loophole to refuse. I know someone in neighborhood who was not at home and eventually they refuse him based on believe that they couldn't not be able to verify their doubts. Moreover, in similar way if you search board then they refused a lot applicants where caseworker called only once to EU national workplace and when on one time ringing only nobody reply then they straight refuse even without bothering to call again or fax them.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 2:59 pm
by secret.simon
The way I see it, the onus is on the applicant to ensure that all doubts of UKV&I are answered appropriately and make arrangements to answer any questions. Keep your employer informed if any correspondence with UKV&I is expected, ensure that a neighbour is aware if the UKV&I were to call.
Besides, the applicant needs the UKV&I, the UKV&I does not need the applicant.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:11 pm
by UKBA HUNTER
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 3:35 pm
by secret.simon
Better to be brutally honest and deal with facts than live in a fantasy world and get shocked when reality bites.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:49 pm
by UKBA HUNTER
Listen with the intent to understand, not the intent to reply.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 4:57 pm
by Casa
Actually, secret.simon has given sound advice.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:14 pm
by UKBA HUNTER
He isn't. Because what ukba is actually/practically doing I have described based on member experiences. If anyone want to cross check that then start searching extensively.
@Casa: what exactly you understand which led you to announce winner as because the above poster is indirectly repeating the same which already be answered and then give reply to himself
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:18 pm
by Casa
UKBA HUNTER wrote:He isn't. Because what ukba is actually/practically doing I have described based on member experiences. If anyone want to cross check that then start searching extensively.
@Casa: what exactly you understand which led you to announce winner as because the above poster is indirectly repeating the same which already be answered and then give reply to himself
I didn't realise you believe you were in a competition. I thought you were both giving your opinion on the situation. That's the purpose of the forum
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:26 pm
by UKBA HUNTER
But my opinion is based on what members practically faced in above scenario which can better enable the op to plan.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:20 pm
by secret.simon
Actually, the way I read, we are both giving the OP the same advice. That if there is nobody to answer the door, they are unlikely to break your door down. But the application will just be declined.
It is in the OP's interest that the door be answered, not for the cost of replacing the door, but for the success of his application.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 6:29 pm
by Universal soldier
Yes exactly as mr. HUNTER said that they will never break door rather refuse application. Sometimes they ask neighbor. And yes they only smash door if severe cases like kidnap, illegal documents manufacturing, human trafficking, child labour, stolen cars, people in emergency etc and in such cases they may even use helicopter. Better to fix some device which connects with you through door bell, alternatively tell other tenants.
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:46 pm
by PutiniEEA
Universal soldier wrote:Yes exactly as mr. HUNTER said that they will never break door rather refuse application. Sometimes they ask neighbor. And yes they only smash door if severe cases like kidnap, illegal documents manufacturing, human trafficking, child labour, stolen cars, people in emergency etc and in such cases they may even use helicopter. Better to fix some device which connects with you through door bell, alternatively tell other tenants.
Thanks guys
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:58 pm
by Wanderer
It's 'no one WAS at home' - sorry.....
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:33 pm
by PutiniEEA
Doesnt matter
We r nt in english class lol
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 10:51 pm
by bluecole2
PutiniEEA wrote:Hi guys
I want to know if UKBA comes to check us at home but they find door locked
What happens next ??
Or if they break door ,,, who fixes it ??
There is no reason why anyone should be scared of UKBA, know your rights and stand up for it. These people are public sevants not public masters, you should always remind them of that, should they step out of line (i.e acting unlawfully).
Not even police would break down your door (provided you're not suspected of criminal activity) not to talk of UKBA. As well as it is upto you to prove that your application isn't fraudulent or shame activity involved, it is also up to UKBA to prove that your relationship is a shame or application fraudulent otherwise their case will not stand in court (provided the court is not corrupt).
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:51 am
by wiggsy
Pssst,
Has anybody here heard of a "Revocation of Implied Rights of Access"... Even the police cannot enter a property without a warrant (or a reasonable suspicion of an immediate risk to the public ETC) [IE: If they hear screams and somebody shouting "HELP ME" it'ld be reasonable for police to kick a door in
]
The Home Office have only got what powers u and I have... As for refusal... If refused, don't worry, just appeal ... just bear in mind, the visit is usually because of sham marriage etc, and sham marriages are not entitled to in country appeal now...
Re: UKBA Visit,,, no one were at home
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:22 am
by PutiniEEA
wiggsy wrote:Pssst,
Has anybody here heard of a "Revocation of Implied Rights of Access"... Even the police cannot enter a property without a warrant (or a reasonable suspicion of an immediate risk to the public ETC) [IE: If they hear screams and somebody shouting "HELP ME" it'ld be reasonable for police to kick a door in
]
The Home Office have only got what powers u and I have... As for refusal... If refused, don't worry, just appeal ... just bear in mind, the visit is usually because of sham marriage etc, and sham marriages are not entitled to in country appeal now...
Does everyone get right of appeal in eea unmarried application?
