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American and German want to move to England - Help!

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:06 pm
by shiloberg
Hi, I am American and my husband is German. We want to move to England (We live now in Germany)
My husband is currently working on his phd and he will work from home but I of course would like to apply for jobs in England.
Is it possible for me to work there if he isnt officially working there? Do I need to hold the EEA permit before I can apply to jobs in the UK? How do I apply for it and where do I send it? If someone has information on this or went through the process and can guide me, that would be so awesome! I'm super lost here....




Thanks!!

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:14 pm
by 86ti
Yes it is possible. You could try without an EEA FP but if you want to take up work it may be better to present such a document to prospective employers when they ask if you are allowed to work. Apply for it at your local UK consulate.

If your spouse is not economically active (or a student) in the UK he would be considered a self-sufficient person. In that case you would also need separate comprehensive sickness insurance for both of you.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:53 pm
by richmond332
Same case as me. Could you please tell me what exactly the comprehensive sickness insurance are? or to what extent the comprehensive insurance has to cover? The prices are so varied and quite expansive though.

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:55 pm
by 86ti
I can only suggest to search this subforum for some answers.

Self-sufficient applicants from Germany

Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:07 pm
by nonspecifics
If you are going to move to the UK from Germany as exercising Treaty Rights as Self-sufficient, Then, yes you will need to prove you have the means to support yourselves ( after the three months residence grace period) and have Comprehensive sickness insurance (not the NHS) for the self-sufficient EEA national and all family members ( even if the family members work and pay National Insurance and are entitled to use the NHS).

The latest EEA2 July 2011 forms show that European Health Insurance Cards ( EHIC) are accepted as proof of CSI.

Furthermore, Baumbast did not use EHIC but he had German health insurance as he worked in Germany. That insurance continued to cover him even though his residence was the UK.

I would advise you get EHIC cards from the German health authorities before moving to the UK and also check the rules of your German health insurance cover to see if it still covers you - and what it covers - when abroad in the UK and for how long.

I agree, it is better if you apply for an EEA family Permit (FP). This puts a sticker in your passport and shows you have the right of entry into the UK and the right to work etc.

Employers in the UK need to check you have the right to work here and retain proof of the evidence that they checked, so it helps a lot if you can show them your passport with the FP in it, so they can photocopy that. Otherwise, you might find employers scared to hire you in case they get fined for hiring an illegal worker. Also, helps if you leave and try to re-enter the UK - you can use the EU channel aat immigration then.

From memory, so check it yourself, the FP will expire after six months from date of issue, but the FP is only confirmation of your rights - it does not give you those rights and so it expiring does not take those rights away.

But it always helps if you can easily prove the rights that you have.

It is free to apply for FP.

Info about Fp can be found here:

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/eucit ... ly-permit/

It is a good idea to apply for a Residence card (EEA2 form for non-EEA) when you get to the UK, so that can replace the FP as proof of you rights.

From day one in the UK : Keep all documents in folders which prove you and your spouse's residence and self-sufficiency including proof of CSI, whether that is your EHIC cards or other insurance.

Cos five years down the line you might want to apply for Permanent Residence and when you do that, you will find UK Border Agency (UKBA) ask for five continuous years of proof of exercising treaty rights in the UK.

Who normally keeps five years of old bills, payslips, tax records, rent agreements, bank statements and expired certificates etc? I think most people don't, so that makes UKBA's job easy : you or EEA would get a refusal letter stating you did not supply sufficient evidence of exercising of treaty rights for five years.

Forewarned is forearmed.

UKBA is not there to help you. It's job is to keep out as many foreigners as possible ( unless wealthy), cos that's the Govt's policy.

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:13 pm
by Directive/2004/38/EC
Just to be very clear: EU law (EEA FP and RC) only applies if the EU citizen is also in the UK and is doing the kinds of things that make them a "qualified" person. Where the EU person is, so can be the non-EU family member.

Worth reading the experience of somebody in a similar situation so you do not make the same mistakes: http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=77191