Theresa May’s New Crusade

[mkhan2525]

A must read article which touches upon the rights of immigrants in this country and the treatment and injustices they face from our Judicial system.

https://asadakhan.wordpress.com/2015/10 ... #more-6169

[asif_sharif]

hate that **** !

[secret.simon]

Let's face it. It is not just Theresa May and it is not just the UK. Due to the migrant/refugee crisis and to some extent even before that, there was an anti-immigration mood within the UK and within Europe and to some extent even in other immigration-friendly countries.

There is a debate going on in the House of Commons right now on an e-petition to stop all immigration into the UK. The Commons Library has also published information regarding this debate.

It is ironic that according to the people who signed that e-petition, Theresa May is too pro-immigration because she has not stopped all immigration into the UK. But different people, different strokes.

And it is not just the UK. The Swiss elections have just seen an increase in votes for the Swiss People Party, which is strongly anti-immigration. Switzerland is anyway the hardest country in Europe to get citizenship in and they want to tighten it further. But even in immigration friendly Canada, the elections have focused on the niqab debate. So, it is the natural distrust of the foreigner that is coming across, not something peculiar to Theresa May. And the way to combat that is to attempt to integrate more into the culture of your new country and not to hold on to that of where you came from.

As regards Theresa May, I am likely in a minority of one on these forums, but much as I dislike her hard line on immigration, I can not but help admire her as a politician. The Home Office is typically the graveyard ministry, where people end their political careers. Those who survive almost certainly go onto to the Prime Ministership. That Theresa May has survived six years in the Home Office this far is a feat that is only to her credit. She is about the closest that the UK will ever get to Angela Merkel, a firm and steady hand on the tiller.

[Obie]

It is odd to compare UK and a the Swizz issue, which is a demographic situation. In the UK, the issue is plain lovely, Zenophobia and a situation where opportunist politicians are feeding on populist sentiment fueled by right winged media, to forward an agenda.

What these lovey and Zenophobe fails to appreciate is that their policy tanishes the UK reputation.

Unlike countries like Germany which can survive very well without foreign investment, the UK will simply disintegrate.

The empire from which UK derives it's wealth is gone now, and there is nothing left for the UK, besides the EU and immigrant whose money is good for the, but their presence us not.

It is inconceivable living in a dearly beloved country.

Parents talked about the slogan in doors, about no Irish no black and no dogs, never thought I will ever see this in my generation.

[secret.simon]

Firstly, it is xenophobia, not Zenophobia.

Secondly, can you elucidate on this statement?

It is odd to compare UK and a the Swizz issue, which is a demographic situation.

Switzerland has a lower population per square kilometre than the UK. So, in theory, it can take in more people.

I personally do not think that the issue is about race. The anti-immigrant sentiment is as much against white Polish people as it is against people of other origins.

I think the issues are more about cultural integration than race. I think it is a fair expectation that if you have put in the effort of migrating to the UK or any other country for that matter, that you make the attempt to integrate with the culture of that country. The antagonism comes when people migrate but behave as if they are back in their home countries and in some cases, even expect their UK-raised children to live according to those rules.

[Obie]

Thanks for your spelling correctly , but most importantly I am happy you understood what I meant.

I personally believe the word should be Zenophobia, and notwithstanding your corrections , which I duly appreciate, you will just have to excuse me on this unfortunately.
I am sure you would have noted from my other posts that, it is my preferred way of spelling it.
Just consider it as Obie ' s own version of "Xenophobia" , I am sure you will have no difficulty with it.

I have expressed my views on the situation in the UK. You are entitled to yours, and I have no problem with it.

beloved is not a new phenomenon in UK, most especially England , Powell river of blood speech , and tories Birmingham slogan of , "if you want black to be your neighbour vote labour" . These are nothing new . It is not the EU that caused it, not the refugee that caused it. In fact UK does not have a refugee problem at all.

Even countries like Netherlands which has more people per land mass , than the UK don't have this problem. Even the Swiss have that you mentioned have played a more helpful role than the UK. They have take part in the refugee redistribution.

There are more foreign national per native population in Switzerland, than any country in the EU, and this is something that Swiss citizen in certain region of Switzerland, feel strongly about.

It is a polarising situation that divides swizz evenly.

To equate that with the UKIP phenomenon and madness in the UK , seems naive to say the list.

Please don't lecture me on the UK.

I can give you a whole course or even a crash course on the UK and the empire.

OP is entitled to express his view just like you.

Switzerland are indeed contributing their fear share.

They are not part of the EU , but they have contributed to the migrant redistribution programme, the government is leading and not being led. They don't say, we have a segment of our population which is dearly beloved, so we will nor take part. They perform their international obligation.

Germany has taken 800000 this year. UK has grudgingly decided to take 20000 over 5 year. Utter shambles

UK is a multi cultural society, in which people are suppose to integrate and not assimilate. UK don't have a melting point system like America, so the notion that multicultural ism is not consistent with UK system is just without foundation..

[secret.simon]

I personally believe the word should be Zenophobia, and notwithstanding your corrections , which I duly appreciate, you will just have to excuse me on this unfortunately.
I am sure you would have noted from my other posts that, it is my preferred way of spelling it.
Just consider it as Obie ' s own version of "Xenophobia" , I am sure you will have no difficulty with it.

Personal belief in spellings is neither here nor there. But that is by the bye. I thought the misspelling was due to ignorance, hence the correction. I did not realise that it was a positive choice, which of course excuses it. As it is a positive choice, all the misspellings in your posts make sense.

the government is leading and not being led.

I would have thought that in a democracy, the government should be guided, if not led, by the wishes of the people.

Please don't lecture me on the UK.

I have absolutely no intentions of doing anything of the sort. However, I am attempting to provide an alternative viewpoint to the "open borders" viewpoint that you seem to be championing.

[Obie]

I am sorry secret Simon if you think that advocating for better treatment of migrants equates to advocating an open border policy.

You position keeps changing like miss May's .

First it is integration, then benefit, then immigrant forming their own little community, then open borders.

That is the problem with people who share views similar to yours, there us no coherent position, it keeps changing as the debate proceeds .

[Wanderer]

Xenophobia and Zenophobia are both acceptable spellings.

[secret.simon]

First it is integration, then benefit, then immigrant forming their own little community, then open borders.

I don't have much of a problem with benefits. But I do have concerns with the integration (or lack thereof) and the ghettoisation and isolation that migrant communities seem to have formed of their own volition.

After arriving in the UK, I have lived in flatshares with people from around the world and from across the United Kingdom. I have not come across beloved of any discernible type.

My concern is that most people who come from without the UK immediately retreat into their own communities and cultures without interacting with, let alone integrating with the rest with the rest of society. And that is bad for society as a whole. And that is not beloved, that is attempting to have a functioning cohesive society.

And there are examples of migrants integrating into British society. I have a work colleague of Pakistani heritage, who comes along with us on Friday to the pub. He does not drink alcohol, but does buy rounds and hangs out with us outside work hours. That shows that he is putting in the effort of learning how society lives and works in the UK, rather than being stuck with life in Pakistan.

Having a broad range of concerns about immigration does not mean they are incoherent. It just means that different facets of the concerns are highlighted at different times in response to different scenarios.

As an aside, there might be a tightening of the good character requirements on the cards yet again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... gated.html

The report states: “Gaining British citizenship is a privilege and should signal a person’s commitment to becoming an active member of our society. So we will strengthen the ‘good character’ requirement in citizenship applications to include whether an individual has promoted extremist views, or acted in a way which undermines our values.”

Xenophobia and Zenophobia are both acceptable spellings.

On a lighter note, call me a pedant, but I think the latter is incorrect. The former comes from the Greek word "xenos", meaning guests and therefore by extension foreigners. Thence xenophobia, a fear of foreigners.
Zenophobia is about as correct as Zerox as a manufacturer of photocopiers.

[Petaltop]

Let's face it. It is not just Theresa May and it is not just the UK. Due to the migrant/refugee crisis and to some extent even before that, there was an anti-immigration mood within the UK and within Europe and to some extent even in other immigration-friendly countries.

It's due to mass immigration and the belief from some migrants that there is room for everyone, with no regard at all to how it impacts on that country. Going from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands a year IS going to be a strain for England on the NHS, housing, roads, schools, services, jobs, welfare. This site has a board for UK benefits!.

Now other EEA countries are having the same problem with migrants as the popular EEA countries, there will be change. Already the EU governments have said there will be faster action on removing failed asylum seekers
http://www.ekathimerini.com/202351/arti ... um-seekers

As regards Theresa May, I am likely in a minority of one on these forums, but much as I dislike her hard line on immigration, I can not but help admire her as a politician.

She is about the closest that the UK will ever get to Angela Merkel, a firm and steady hand on the tiller.

Theresa May is admired in Germany as putting her country first (rare for a politician). Merkel is hated in Germany and her slim majority has dwindled. Theresa May is admired in most of the popular EEA countries.

Migrants who try name calling to try to make a country take them, or are worried that their income of taking money off other migrants will end, will find that name calling won't work anymore.

[Petaltop]

The empire from which UK derives it's wealth is gone now, and there is nothing left for the UK, besides the EU and immigrant whose money is good for the, but their presence us not.

You delude yourself. The UK is on course to overtake the economy of Germany and that is nothing to do with mass immigration.

Lets be honest here, the only migrants the UK needs are those on their jobs shortage list, the 155K plus earners, the investors and those who really are capable of starting up a company that will bring in lots of jobs.

Unlike countries like Germany which can survive very well without foreign investment, the UK will simply disintegrate.

Foreign investment is not the same as taking in millions of migrants that a country doesn't need.

[Petaltop]

Even countries like Netherlands which has more people per land mass , than the UK don't have this problem.

From March 2015

"It’s indicative of what a hot topic immigration has become in the Netherlands that prime minister Mark Rutte’s Liberal Party has just produced a seven-page position paper suggesting it’s time for Europe to close its borders to refugees and asylum-seekers."

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/eu ... -1.2157777

[Wanderer]

I'm as left wing as they come and I've shifted my position on this subject more than anyone, but even I have to say, an open door won't work.

Analogously, it occurred to me yesterday on the bus! There was an incident up the road, meant the bus was packed, and all the bus stops on the way with hordes of people. The bus stopped to let people off and what happened? Swarms tried to squeeze onto the bus through the open doors, making it impossible for the bus to drive off, or people to get off, or to treat the person at the back you'd passed out!

So the driver from then on pulled up short to let people off, or only stopped at the stops with a few people. Controlled migration!

[secret.simon]

Wanderer,

The posts of yours that I have read are anything but left-wing. At least as regards immigration, I would suggest that you are either just right-of-centre or a Blairite That is not meant as an insult.

The example that you give is quite apt. If a boat sinks, a rescue boat would only rescue as many people as it is safe to get off. It is possible that some may have to be left behind. Otherwise there would be two boats sunk and more people in the water drowning. When it comes to refugees there is a capacity issue. And crucially, they want refuge in specific countries, not just any safe country.

I was in Berlin last week and to some extent I can understand their sympathetic reception of migrants. There was a similar welcome of people when the Berlin Wall and the Iron Curtain fell. And it was interesting to learn that West Berlin alone hosted about 100,000 foreign (mainly Turkish) workers in the 1970s due to a shortage of manpower. But that was controlled immigration and the workers were there at the invitation of the then West German government. But I got the sense that the ceaseless arrival of migrants is testing the patience of the sympathetic German people too.

Another analogy is that the way to deal with many cars on the roads is not to build more roads, as the number of cars increase to fill up the extra space. It is to make it more difficult to buy cars. Again, it comes down to controlled immigration. We need immigration, just not everybody who walks in through the front door (or breaks in through the windows).