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FLR(FP) application

Post by haris_zam » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:19 am

JaguarXF wrote:Dear Sushdmehta,

Am very grateful to you for guiding me to the prescribed link. It is very helpful. I shall keep you updated with my progress.

Thank you for your time.

God bless you.
Hi buddy , so what are you deciding to do then u going for the peo appointment. i am thinking flrfp in april till july when itll be 28 days before i can go to window without passport.
or may be can i apply for flr fp without sending the passport at all ... ??

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Sun Nov 01, 2015 4:03 pm

HI haris_zam,

I understand your dilemma. Its good to start looking into things early. Can you please post me

1) When is your current visa expiring in 2016. (Exact date)
2) When did you first arrive in the UK in 2005. (Exact date)
2) When are you hitting your exact 10 years for ILR in 2016. (Exact date)
3) When are you reaching the 28 day early period from 10 years ILR in 2016. (Exact date)

I require the above to form an opinion.

Thanks.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Mon Nov 02, 2015 8:08 pm

1) When is your current visa expiring in 2016. (10/04/2016)
2) When did you first arrive in the UK in 2005. IT WAS IN 2006(15/8/2006)
2) When are you hitting your exact 10 years for ILR in 2016. (15/8/2016)
3) When are you reaching the 28 day early period from 10 years ILR in 2016. (17/07/2016)
.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Tue Nov 03, 2015 8:20 pm

Hi haris_zam,

Please follow the following link to get a brief overview of your circumstances when it gets to your time for applying FLR (FP)

http://s7.postimg.org/x9rrztdp7/Haris_ZAM_Chart.jpg

1) Your visa is expiring on Sunday the 10th of April 2016. Make sure you apply FLR (FP) on Thursday the 7th of April 2016 so that the HO gets your file by Friday the 8th of April 2016.

2) You said that 28 days early from 10 years is 17.07.2016. That's incorrect. You need to go back 28 days from 15.08.2016 (your exact 10 years) which is as follows,


15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 09, 08, 07, 06, 05, 04, 03, 02, 01, 31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 26, 25, 24, 23, 22, 21, 20, 19

So the earliest you can apply for your SET(LR) (28 days from your exact 10 years) at PEO is on 19th of July 2016.

I would NOT recommend you sending in your FLR - FP file without a passport. Your file will be sent back as invalid and you face the danger of becoming an over stayer as soon as the invalid file is returned back to you.

Please note that the opinion formed is for guidance only. I do not take any responsibility of your actions when following the stated guidelines. Do seek legal advice before going ahead, it might cost you up to £ 400 extra just for the legal advice, but its worth it. There are aspects of FLR (FP) which need to be filled in with care. I understand that a refusal in your circumstances for FLR (FP) would be expected but do make sure that the form is filled in to the best of your knowledge with your current passport enclosed otherwise you run into the danger of becoming an over stayer where your file gets returned to you as invalid.

The dates in the chart are guidelines to expected,
1) BIO letter (It takes about 2 to 3 weeks from sending in an application)
2) Outcome of FLR - FP (It takes about 8 weeks from Bio as stated at HO website)

These guidelines work at the moment, but how will the play field look like until its your turn in April next year 2016, that's a different story. My advice, keep yourself updated with all legal aspects of your case backed up with legal advice from a solicitor, until its over. Hope that helps.

All the best for your future.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Wed Nov 04, 2015 10:02 pm

I appreciate your help buddy , yes i am keeping my self well-versed with the issues that surround my case , I am in a touch wiyh lawyers over the fone but free advisors at the moment, since i have time to planout and will go to a solicitor around early march if not later,
i thankyou for such a detailed reply,
please keep me posted about your situation and how are you keeping up with your application..
My other concern is for my wife whose visa expires the same time as mine and she is my dependant who joined me very recently , but i am guessing you wouldnt know much about her case as you mentioned earlier that you are an independent single applicant to one of the members..

thanks budd

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:34 am

haris_zam,

I am glad you read my replies at other post. A friend of mine who has dependents is a potential source of information in your case. I shall ask him for an opinion as per to dependents involved in SET(LR).

Thanks.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Thu Nov 05, 2015 7:53 am

JaguarXF wrote:haris_zam,

I am glad you read my replies at other post. A friend of mine who has dependents is a potential source of information in your case. I shall ask him for an opinion as per to dependents involved in SET(LR).

Thanks.

please do find out ...

cheers

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Thu Nov 05, 2015 2:07 pm

ya please do buddy , thanks a ton ...

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:54 pm

Hi haris_zam,

When you apply for your SET(LR) you would need to submit a SET(M) file for your spouse. You would need to show that you have an earnings of £18,600 per year. It could be just your statement or your spouse statement if she is working or combined statement of both yourself and your spouse. HO requirement would then be to show a contract of your and or your spouse employment reflecting a minimum of £18,600 per year (for yourself, or hers alone or combined for the both of you) with a minimum of 6 months bank statements. Once you get your SET(LR) your wife may be granted visa on SET(M). As soon as your wife gets SET(M) visa, check if your wife has been with you in the UK for 5 years, if she has then she can go for a premium appointment from the very next day she gets her SET(M) visa to get SET(LR). If she had been here in the UK for less than 5 years then she will need to complete the remaining period out of 5 years to qualify for SET(LR). Again SET(LR) requirements state that you should not have been out of the country for more than specified period of time to qualify for SET(LR). You need to check this for your wife with a solicitor.

If you and or your wife combined do not have the minimum threshold of £18,600 per year then the alternative would be to chase for FLR(FP) as FLR(FP) do not require you to you any income. Since you have a family in the UK, there is a possibility of yourself getting visa for FLR (FP) granted in your favor from HO.

This would potentially mean that you and your family would then have a three year visa on FLR (FP) followed by an extension of another three years for FLR(FP). In short you would need to complete 6 years more on FLR(FP) before you become eligible for SET (LR). To the best of my understanding your 10 year clock will stop the moment you get a positive response from HO for FLR (FP).

The only other alternative to avoid further 6 years on FLR(FP) would be to send your wife back to home country, apply for FLR(FP) for yourself and later vary file from FLR(FP) to SET(LR). Apply for your wife again for SET(M). Once your wife is back in UK, check if she continues to fulfill the 5 year spouse criteria, with absence being not more than the specified period in the 5 year period for her to apply SET(LR) when she completes her 5 years in the UK as your dependent.

The above is just an opinion, I do not take responsibility for your actions. Please seek legal advice from your solicitors.

Thanks.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:41 pm

thanka a lot buddy ,

bro like u advised my current visa is expiring on thr 10th of April,so i will apply flrp fp but what application is she going to apply for with me ,it cant be flr dp for her too right,it seems flr m then,and shall i write a letter with her flrm to hold her application until mine is decided or one can only do that if they are applhing for ilr and not flr,??
what you would do if you were in my shoes....?

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:57 pm

Hi haris_zam,

Apart from your wife being your dependent, do you also have children with you as your dependent in the UK?

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Tue Nov 10, 2015 5:21 pm

Hi haris_zam,

Can you also confirm for how long have your Mrs been living with you in the UK as your dependent (exact time from landing in the UK to date, and any absences you (in your ten years) and your Mrs (during her stay ) have had from the UK thereafter.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:09 am

JaguarXF wrote:Hi haris_zam,

Can you also confirm for how long have your Mrs been living with you in the UK as your dependent (exact time from landing in the UK to date, and any absences you (in your ten years) and your Mrs (during her stay ) have had from the UK thereafter.


hi buddy,

she landed a month ago for the first time ever on the 6th of october 2015,
we have no children yet..
we havn't travelled since her arrival
she has no absenses from uk , the knly thing is that she entered Uk after 6 months of entry clearance due to her degree back home.
My total travell outside is under 540 days..

Secondly simce I am on tier 4 , my earnings are not 18,600 or even both of ours combined ,
i have discovered that ehat ever the application she goes for ,there is a language requirement she needs to fulfil,
she has a degree taught in a majority engliah language can that be translated through Uk Naric for equivalency and used thereof for the purpose of language profeciency required by ukvi , or does she has to sit the basic A1 test,

I however have a Uk degree ..

thanks..

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:34 pm

hi haris_zam,

Can you please specify; which country does your wife has a degree from. Is the Degree,

1) BSc
2) BSc (Hons)
3) or MSc

Would help if you state the country from where the degree was obtained and the title of the degree like if its bachelors, then BSc (Hons) Aeronautical Engineering or if its MSc then MSc Airspace Management etc.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Wed Nov 11, 2015 4:09 pm

mate its Bsc media sciences from Pakistan

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Wed Nov 11, 2015 5:49 pm

Dear haris_zam,

A degree from Pakistan is NOTconsidered as a degree from majority English speaking country. Majority English speaking countries according to UKVI, https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... .0_EXT.pdf page 7 of 39, are considered as follows,

1) Antigua and Barbuda
2) Guyana
3) Australia
4) Jamaica
5) The Bahamas
6) New Zealand
7) Barbados
8 St Kitts and Nevis
9) Belize
10) St Lucia
11) Canada
12) St Vincent and the Grenadines
13) Dominica
14) Trinidad and Tobago
15) Grenada
16) The United States of America

Your wife would have to pass English language test requirement as per to the latest rules released for Nov 2015, https://www.gov.uk/english-language/app ... ifications

Please make sure your wife pass the English Language Requirement in good time while she has her passport with her.

As per to applying for FLR(FP) next year in 2016. You would be required to enter details of your wife as your dependent on the same FLR(FP) file you fill for yourself. Fee at the moment for FLR (FP) is £649 per individual. In your case the total fee for FLR (FP) application for yourself and your spouse would be £1298. You would also need to pay the IHS(NHS) fee surcharge, which currently stands at £ 500 per person for FLR(FP). In your case that mounts to £1,000 for yourself and your spouse for IHS fee. Thats £1298 (UKVI) + £1000(IHS) = £2,298

To the best of my understanding (please confirm this with your solicitor), once you reach your 28 days early to 10 year period and provided you haven't received a response from UKVI, you can go on to vary your FLR (FP) file to SET (LR) at PEO <£1,900>. There is no IHS surcharge for SET(LR). As you do not meet the minimum financial threshold of £18,600, best thing to do for your spouse at that time would be for her to send her FLR(FP) file again <£649) as main applicant to the HO in post. She might not have to pay for IHS again as she already paid for it when you applied for her as your dependent in the first FLR(FP) file.I believe your wife should send her FLR (FP) file as main applicant stating herself as your dependent 2 days before your PEO appointment. Unfortunately you cannot add dependents details in your SET(LR) file.

After your PEO appointment you should expect to receive your ILR in two to three weeks from UKVI (two to three weeks cause your passport would not be with you when you go for a PEO). In the mean time your wife shall be dealing with Biometrics etc. By the time you would had received your ILR, your wife would be taking her biometrics. The home office when working on her case shall then see that she as your dependent is eligible for FLR(FP) as you have ILR. Your wife may be granted FLR(FP) visa for 2 years 6 months. She would then have to renew FLR(FP) visa again for another 2 years 6 months. Having spent 5 years on FLR(FP) she might be eligible to apply for SET(LR) provided the absences from UK during those 5 years do not exceed the UKVI requirements.

To sum up everything in a nutshell,

1) Your spouse going for English language test - Cost = £ 300 Approx.
2) Your LIUK test for SET(LR) - Cost = £ 50 Approx
3) Apply FLR(FP) with your wife as your dependent - Cost = £1298 (UKVI) + £1000(IHS) = £2,298
4) If refusal comes in before you reaching your 28 days and you get an appeal for Ftt- Cost of Ftt = £280
4) Your spouse applying for FLR(FP) as lead applicant - Cost = £ 649 (No IHS, as that's already been paid).
5) You applying for varying from FLR(FP) to SET (LR) at PEO- Cost = £ 1,900
6) Your solicitors costs from point (3) to point (5) above - Cost = £ 1,700 Approx

Total Cost = £ 7,177 Approx

If you do not receive a decision for FLR(FP) and you go on to vary your file from FLR(FP) to SET(LR) you might be able to get a refund for yourself and your spouse for the first FLR(FP) for the amount of £1298 (from UKVI). Am not sure if you can get a refund for your IHS for £ 500 for FLR(FP). Your wife will however not qualify for a refund of £500 IHS fee as she would need to continue her IHS with her new file for FLR(FP).

It is mandatory your wife pass the English language requirement for FLR(FP). Please read https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... t_2015.pdf page 8 of 8, point 23,

23. ENGLISH LANGUAGE REQUIREMENT
If you are applying for an extension of leave on the basis of your family life as a parent of a child
in the UK, you need to show that they can speak and understand English. You can do this in the
following ways:
• You are a national of a specified English speaking country.
• You have passed an English language test in speaking and listening at level A1 of the
• Common European Framework of Reference or above, with a Home Office approved provider.
• You have an academic qualification recognised by UK NARIC as equivalent to the standard of
a Bachelor’s or Master’s degree or PhD in the UK. This must have been taught in English.
• You are exempt from this requirement if you are over 65, have a physical or mental condition
which prevents you from meeting this requirement or there are exceptional circumstances
which would prevent you from meeting it.
Guidance on how to meet the English language requirement can be found on our website:
http://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/sy ... h_lang.pdf


If your spouse has done IELTS befoe coming to UK then she might be able to use that for FLR(FP) as IELTS is valid for 2 years. Even if she has done IELTS recently, you still need to check it with your solicitor for confirmation. Plus make sure you pass your LIUT before sending your first file for FLR(FP).

Again the above is just an opinion. Please seek legal advice from your legal representatives as your case is relatively complex to deal with. I do not take responsibility of your actions following this conversation.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Wed Nov 11, 2015 6:12 pm

Thanks a lot again for a detailed reply, ok so i can add her as a dependant in my flr fp , thats good .so then the ukvi will send us biometrics invitation for both of us at the same time . i was hopong to give the third biometric.

if my wife undergoes pregnancy during now and flr process would it count towards a positive step? .. and would it also strengthen our application ?.

i am not sure if she can do flr fp , can she noy fo under 'other' flr o... ??

i agree with you but almost every solicitor has something different to say ..

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:34 pm

haris_zam,

Don't even think of going for requesting third biometric etc. You are nearing your 10 years, UKVI will see through what you are about. I guess Biometrics letter come in as recorded delivery so UKVI will know that the letter was delivered.If the UKVI returns your file cause you failed to attend Biometrics, you put yourself in the danger of becoming an over stayer the day the file becomes refused as invalid by UKVI.

Pregnancy does not add strength to your FLR (FP) case. People can opt for abortion etc, so pregnancy does not add strength to the case.

FLR (O) is something which can be used if there is no other immigration category available to accommodate your case. Options available in your case are,

1) FLR(M) if you satisfy financial requirements for minimum income threshold.
2) SET(M) if you satisfy financial requirements for minimum income threshold.
3) FLR(FP) if you do not satisfy financial requirements for minimum income threshold.

Considering that above options are available to you by UKVI, if you go for FLR(O) that would be a wrong file to submit.Your file will be refused as invalid and you face the danger of becoming an over stayer from the date the refused invalid FLR(O) file is sent back to you by UKVI. You might not be refunded for your FLR(O) fee for yourself and your wife where FLR(O) file is sent back as refused and invalid. Besides that the IHS(NHS) fee for FLR (O) is £ 1000 per individual.

Think of sending in FLR(O) instead of FLR(FP) this way, you are applying for extension to leave as a student for Tier 4 General adult visa, and you send in a Tier 1 General file for student extension, which will be absolutely absurd.

Hope that helps.
JazakAllah.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:56 pm

jazak allah khair brother..

seems like a big expenses considering the cost,
as a muslim abortion is equal to murder unless very strong circumstances and even ho cant say that.

but thanks for clearing that i need to send one application of flr fp and add my wife in their..
if flr gets accepted my 10 years wont be a problem as its legal stay clock wont set to zero but for my missus it would which is not the end of the world..

i may think of sending her back if i am tight on thr finances but that mau be a big mistake, possibly.

jazak allah khair bro

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:58 pm

For FLR (O) I also refer you to the following case study in which the person was returned his FLR(O) and asked to submit FLR(FP)

http://www.immigrationboards.com/indefi ... l#p1257965

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:02 pm

My advice,
Play Safe
.

All the best.

Wasalam.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Thu Nov 12, 2015 12:48 pm

thanks buddy,
its great you highlighted every thing before hand i was thinking to get naric and send it , but from your comments its clear that she will have to sit for a test,
i will get a test book for her in sha allah around January and my Lituk at the same time.
I heard some one filled in wrong card details and got returned from ho requesting resubmission within 14 daya without breaking continuity but all these are risky stunts and not advisable , i just hope that the three months or ao time goes by without a decision so to vary to ilr.

one last thing,

can i not apply for flr fp with dependant wife ,
after 1.5 months or so when its nearing dexision time ,vary to another flr fp with some different grounds on which again thr bio will be taken and the third time vary to ilr at p.e.o

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Thu Nov 12, 2015 3:10 pm

Hi haris_zam,

Am glad that I was able to clear few aspects in your case. Putting in an FLR (FP) and then varying same file FLR(FP) on different grounds is something unheard of. To the best of my understanding, when you send in a file for FLR(FP) and then want to vary it to say SET(LR), the HO case worker is required to study both the FLR(FP) and SET(LR) file before making a decision.

The time of application starts from the first FLR(FP) file and not from the varied SET(LR) file. It would be difficult to determine what response UKVI will make after you submit a variation for same FLR(FP) file on different grounds. We normally know what to do, but we should also know is what NOT to do. In my opinion it would be risky!

Of course if you still want to go ahead with variation to original FLR(FP) with different grounds, then be prepared to pay in another £649 (for yourself) + £ 649 (for your Mrs) = £ 1298

Something goes wrong quickly, you risk loosing money for first FLR(FP) £1298 + 2nd FLR(FP) £1298 = £ 2596

If you do not change grounds with FLR(FP) and you do not receive a response from HO for FLR(FP) and go on to vary your file, you get reimbursed for your FLR(FP) = £ 1298

Whether you get or do not get a response from HO before you can vary your file to SET(LR), all depends on"Individual file" and "individual luck".

But because you have spent 10 years in the UK and you have a dependent, I can safely assume your case will take longer than expected. I would say a minimum of 4 months from submission.

Make sure you do one thing, first pray you get your bio letter as late as possible and then go for your Bio in 21 calendar days from the day you receive your letter. The bio letter will say you have 15 business (working days) that means you have 3 weeks in total (21 calendar days) from the day you receive your bio letter to go for Bio.

Hope that helps.

JazakAllah
Wasalam.

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by JaguarXF » Thu Nov 12, 2015 7:00 pm

Hi haris_zam,

With regards to missing the payment page and or not doing IHS and sending in your file for FLR (FP), you might be trying to gain an edge by thinking that the HO will send you a request to do IHS plus send in the missing payment page so that your Bio will be delayed.

Let me clarify one thing, a friend of mine didn't do his IHS and did not send his passport (by mistake) for FLR (O) to HO. The HO office sent him a request for IHS and passport to be submitted in 10 business (working days) from the date of letter, they however also sent him acknowledgement letter with Biometrics at the same time as they requested for the missing documents.

So to say thet you shall miss the payment page which will delay the biometrics is NOT true. They will on the same date in one envelope, request you for missing documents and send you your biometrics enrollment letter with bio to be enrolled in 15 business (working) days and missing documents to be sent to HO within 10 business (working) days. Both will come together.

Hope that helps in making a better understanding. Beware, the HO is well aware of how people go about trying to buy time. My advice again,
PLAY SAFE
Fe emani lil Allah

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Re: Varying leave from FLR(FP) to SET LR at PEO without pass

Post by haris_zam » Thu Nov 12, 2015 11:57 pm

thanks alot brother ur a star ...

May Allah make all easy for you and give you what you want and whats better for you , ameen ,.
i am.happy to be linked with you . i would , if possible like to personally thank you and see you in person if thats possible, sounds creepy but just a tra may be a good friendship , remonds of the old pen friend days .. lol .

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