An appeal happening on the 22nd

[357mag]

The appeal in the Supreme Court regarding whether the financial requirement breaches human rights law is being held on the 22nd Feb.
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/uksc-2015-0014.html
If you can attend then please do its possible to watch from the public gallery, but if you can't then the proceeding are viewable live. I was thinking if enough people are viewing this it might freeze their website and show how many are affected or care about this unfair requirement.

[secret.simon]

Not pertinent to the EEA-Route Applicantions forum. Can the mods move it to the "Immigration for Family Members" forum?

[Casa]

Not pertinent to the EEA-Route Applicantions forum. Can the mods move it to the "Immigration for Family Members" forum?

Thanks. Done

[secret.simon]

Wow, that was fast, Casa

May I suggest that the subject line of the thread be amended to something like "£18600 requirement for non-EEA spouses-Supreme Court challenge-22nd-24th February 2016" or similar words, so that the precise nature of the link is clear.

Otherwise it would seem to most people that the OP was asking for feedback about a specific case, rather than a general one.

[357mag]

Sorry my bad, But I feel all forum viewers should log in to watch the hearing online and freeze their system, much like Anonymous flood other websites to take them down.
Maybe a bit naughty but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, sometimes people need to be proactive to get a message across.

[Casa]

Without being overly pessimistic I doubt whether there be a sufficient number of active members affected by the minimum income level, to bring down a Government website. Neither can I see anything would be gained by blocking viewers access to the Supreme Court hearing.
If this thread is to continue, I suggest you change tack.

[noajthan]

Not sure I can make it but if we go should we wear something to recognise each other by?

[Wanderer]

Sorry my bad, But I feel all forum viewers should log in to watch the hearing online and freeze their system, much like Anonymous flood other websites to take them down.
Maybe a bit naughty but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, sometimes people need to be proactive to get a message across.

What about those who think £18,600 is far too low to import a foreign inamorata? Effectively you'd be blocking their view.

That's not fair.

[Obie]

Sorry my bad, But I feel all forum viewers should log in to watch the hearing online and freeze their system, much like Anonymous flood other websites to take them down.
Maybe a bit naughty but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, sometimes people need to be proactive to get a message across.

I do hope the supreme court will struck out this arbitrary nonsense 18,600 mombo jumbo.

[357mag]

Of course Casa you are probably right, I doubt if any slow down of their network would even be informed to the court anyway, but who knows stranger things have happened.
I think it might be an education to some just to see how the court operates, maybe seeing that would help them if they have to go through an appeal.

[Casa]

Sorry my bad, But I feel all forum viewers should log in to watch the hearing online and freeze their system, much like Anonymous flood other websites to take them down.
Maybe a bit naughty but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, sometimes people need to be proactive to get a message across.

What about those who think £18,600 is far too low to import a foreign inamorata? Effectively you'd be blocking their view.

That's not fair.

Without elaborating on whether the income level is fair, I do have to say that I'm concerned about how many posts we regularly have on the forum where families are unable to 'survive' on the £18,600 p.a income once the spouse is here and are asking for advice on how to claim Public funds.

I also believe (but stand to be corrected) that it is illegal to orchestrate a DOS attack...and bear in mind that this website it open to all.

[357mag]

Sorry my bad, But I feel all forum viewers should log in to watch the hearing online and freeze their system, much like Anonymous flood other websites to take them down.
Maybe a bit naughty but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, sometimes people need to be proactive to get a message across.

What about those who think £18,600 is far too low to import a foreign inamorata? Effectively you'd be blocking their view.

That's not fair.

Without elaborating on whether the income level is fair, I do have to say that I'm concerned about how many posts we regularly have on the forum where families are unable to 'survive' on the £18,600 p.a income once the spouse is here and are asking about how to claim Public funds.

I also believe (but stand to be corrected) that it is illegal to orchestrate a DOS attack...and bear in mind that this website it open to all.

My view of those who cant survive on that amount are probably mostly spongers who are bleeding the system and causing the problem others are suffering.
But point taken and understood about DOS attacks, as you say this little forum probably doesn't have those sort of numbers, but I hope the information gets spread so the few of us who are interested take the time to view it.

[Casa]

@357mag Hold on there! How have you managed to post the following in the middle of my text, which makes it look as if it's my comment and not yours?
My view of those who cant survive on that amount are probably mostly spongers who are bleeding the system and causing the problem others are suffering.
But point taken and understood about DOS attacks, as you say this little forum probably doesn't have those sort of numbers, but I hope the information gets spread so the few of us who are interested take the time to view it.

FYI This 'little forum' currently actually has 105,876 registered members, but not all active at the same time.

[Wanderer]

Sorry my bad, But I feel all forum viewers should log in to watch the hearing online and freeze their system, much like Anonymous flood other websites to take them down.
Maybe a bit naughty but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, sometimes people need to be proactive to get a message across.

I do home the supreme court will struck out this arbitrary nonsense 18,600 mombo jumbo.

I agree, should be set at £35,000 at least.

[357mag]

Sorry Casa, I don't know how my bit of text got stuck in there, please read my tag line lol.
But to avoid confusion I want people to know my previous post is a corruption of Casa's previous post and should not reflect on her views.

PS I like Windows 10 as much as I like Teresa May

[secret.simon]

Sorry my bad, But I feel all forum viewers should log in to watch the hearing online and freeze their system, much like Anonymous flood other websites to take them down.
Maybe a bit naughty but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, sometimes people need to be proactive to get a message across.

I do home the supreme court will struck out this arbitrary nonsense 18,600 mombo jumbo.

I agree, should be set at £35,000 at least.

I agree the 18,600 figure is a bit too arbitrary. Rather than another arbitrary figure of £35,000, perhaps the government should link it to the amount of benefits that a British family of that size can claim.So, if benefits increase (indicating that the cost of living for a family is going up), then the income threshold increases.

Conversely, if the benefits reduce, as the government is attempting at the moment, the income requirement would come down too.

As that would be indexed to cost of living, rather a figure plucked out of thin air, I believe that it would also be easier to justify it in court.

[CR001]

Sorry Casa, I don't know how my bit of text got stuck in there, please read my tag line lol.
But to avoid confusion I want people to know my previous post is a corruption of Casa's previous post and should not reflect on her views.

PS I like Windows 10 as much as I like Teresa May

You post, within Casa's, has been corrected. Doesn't matter which operating system you use, it is all about where you place your cursor before you start typing.

[Casa]

My opinion for what it's worth. I thought the 'adequate maintenance' was fairer for all. The differential between wages in London/South East and the cost of living against other parts of the UK is significant. Couples who live rent-free with family will have more disposable income than those earning £18,600 and paying high rental or mortgage fees.

[357mag]

Simon I think that's what they are currently basing there level on, how much till you fall off the ceiling for benefits, including housing, council tax, child tax credit etc.
I's not fair because some live a frugal life and don't draw all those benefit and housing benefit or cost of living is going to be higher in some places than others.

[secret.simon]

I originally thought the purpose of this thread was to encourage people to turn up in person to watch proceedings or else the website may go down accidentally. Re-reading it, it could be construed as an incitement to commit a crime and I hope that the OP is not attempting to incite one.

I, for one, would be very interested in viewing the proceedings from the viewpoint of seeing justice in action and would be sorely disappointed if it is blocked by a DDOS.

Secondly, I doubt that it would register as a protect because the spam_do_not_click_here of the case proceedings is not a vital part of the process of the administration of justice. It is only an inconvenience to people who want to watch it remotely, not to the administration of justice itself.

If you think about it, the courts only started broadcasting proceedings in 2013, but justice and the courts have existed long before then. Committing a crime with no discernible effect or impact is not worth anything.

[Wanderer]

My opinion for what it's worth. I thought the 'adequate maintenance' was fairer for all. The differential between wages in London/South East and the cost of living against other parts of the UK is significant. Couples who live rent-free with family will have more disposable income than those earning £18,600 and paying high rental or mortgage fees.

This is all good stuff, plus also to bear mind it was much easier when the average visa cost was £240, now it's £1500, that's a huge chunk out of 18.6k gross which is what, 14k net?

[secret.simon]

Simon I think that's what they are currently basing there level on, how much till you fall off the ceiling for benefits, including housing, council tax, child tax credit etc.
I's not fair because some live a frugal life and don't draw all those benefit and housing benefit or cost of living is going to be higher in some places than others.

I am suggesting that it be indexed to the average benefits level, etc.

Laws are meant to be general in application and are unlikely to take individual frugality into account. Besides, how do you measure it and prove it? Much easier and better to take a realistic, but necessarily general, standard.

I am against the arbitrary nature of the requirement, not against the requirement itself.

[Casa]

@Wanderer Good point. With the increasing fees (more due in April) + the NHS surcharge, we're now frequently seeing requests on the forum for advice on how the visa can be extended from couples who can't afford the next application.

[357mag]

My opinion for what it's worth. I thought the 'adequate maintenance' was fairer for all. The differential between wages in London/South East and the cost of living against other parts of the UK is significant. Couples who live rent-free with family will have more disposable income than those earning £18,600 and paying high rental or mortgage fees.

See if I can use this quote function properly this time lol.

Shame there is no "like" button like there is on FB coz I would mark this as liked.

[secret.simon]

I like Windows 10 as much as I like Teresa May

I am a fan of both I may dislike some of her policies, but I appreciate Theresa May's tenacity.

The Home Office is the graveyard of politicians. Immigration, prisons, policing are all toxic subjects for all politicians and a Home Secretary has to deal with all of them and Ms May has handled them without any egregious failure for the past six years. I would go so far as to compare her to Angela Merkel, except in the field of immigration and consider her a serious Prime Ministerial contender in the event of a Brexit (assuming that Cameron quits due to a vote for Brexit).

As for Windows 10, I like what I see. It is a compromise, a balance between the extremes of Windows 7 & 8, just as what good law should be. This post has been typed on a Windows 10 system.