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Passport Application- send in old Indian passport ?

Post by Nal » Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:32 pm

Hi,

Please help me with some of this...

(A)Based on the fact that I was born in the UK in 1968 and have a UK birth certificate I understand I am eligible to apply for a UK passport ( parents were not holding diplomatic/consular status) ....i did research older thread to reconfirm that I am eligible.

(B) I live in the US at this time. My question is about the documentation that has to accompany the application, besides the original birth certificate do I send in my Indian passports. I did leave the UK in 1968 itself on my mother's Indian passport. I at this time have that pp# with me and if required will have that sent across from India.

(C) Will my daughters become citizens automatically ?....this is really my purpose in exploring this whole issue, to give them an option for college as we plan to return to India in a couple years.

Thanks for your help.

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Post by vinny » Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:09 pm

A) Yes.
B) Passports and Citizenship.
C) If you satisfy the meaning of parent (22) at the time of their birth, then your daughters are automatically British citizens.
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Post by sakura » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:48 am

As for question C, are they planning to study in a UK Higher Education institution? Because the situation is quite complex.

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Post by Nal » Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:01 pm

Vinny..Thanks for your reply. Appreciate it.

Sakura..Yes, I would like them to. I do understand that the UK has a 3 year criteria that I am frankly unsure at this time if we will ever fulfill. No decisions there yet. If you have any links/sites you can guide me to to understand this 'complex situation ' you mention I would appreciate that and will read up more.

Lets say in the long run...will a child benefit from a UK passport as opposed to an Indian one...I know broad based question and sure personal situations are different for everyone but generally speaking I am just really inclined to believe there may be a long term benefit to acquire this for them...any thoughts?

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Post by sakura » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:51 am

Nal wrote:Vinny..Thanks for your reply. Appreciate it.

Sakura..Yes, I would like them to. I do understand that the UK has a 3 year criteria that I am frankly unsure at this time if we will ever fulfill. No decisions there yet. If you have any links/sites you can guide me to to understand this 'complex situation ' you mention I would appreciate that and will read up more.

Lets say in the long run...will a child benefit from a UK passport as opposed to an Indian one...I know broad based question and sure personal situations are different for everyone but generally speaking I am just really inclined to believe there may be a long term benefit to acquire this for them...any thoughts?
There is a very brilliant guideline on the UKCOSA website: http://www.ukcosa.org.uk/student/inform ... ition_fees (go down to "financial support" and click on one of the "tuition fees" buttons), which explains the three years residency rules.

It basically mentions that
1. you must have resided in the European Union or European Economic Area (EU / EEA) for three years prior to the start date of your course (e.g. if your course starts 20th September 2008, you should have resided in the area from 19th September 2005-2008...I believe so)

and

2. your main purpose was not to seek full-time education

To explain the second point better, I'll give an example of someone I know, who became an Italian citizen through descent, had never lived in the EEA area and is now attending university in the UK. This person is paying international fees (£13,000 I think), as he doesn't qualify for Home fees. He has had to do the course part-time, because if he studied full-time, his residency here would not count towards his ability to pay Home fees - and he checked with the university on this.

So, it's a tricky one to benefit from, if you don't already live here.

As for whether or not a UK passport would help....it depends on what they want. How old are they? Where would they eventually like to settle? The obvious benefit is that it allows them to live and work freely across the EEA AND to travel most of the world without a visa, but it depends on where their heart lies.

However, am I right in thinking that they are already British citizens and would have to formally renounce it in order to retain Indian citizenship? I think this is also the same for you, as, from what I know about Indian nationality, they do not allow dual citizenship.

Thus...are you not breaking some sort of law (albeit unknowingly, I'm not blaming you)?

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Post by Nal » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:30 pm

Sakura..Technically you are correct aren't you ......I hadn't even looked into this until a week ago and even though I've spent some time reading up on this I had not figured it out myself...and now you've given me more to think about haven't you !!..appreciate your help with the link.

You are right about 'where the heart lies' too...I know where mine does and honestly sometimes being a parent isn't easy..you know there is sometimes no happy medium between 'what is best' and 'what you really want'......

Sorry if I took this thread somewhere else......

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Post by JAJ » Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:43 pm

sakura wrote: However, am I right in thinking that they are already British citizens and would have to formally renounce it in order to retain Indian citizenship? I think this is also the same for you, as, from what I know about Indian nationality, they do not allow dual citizenship.
Almost - but not quite. If someone is dual Indian/other at birth, they do not lose their Indian citizenship until they get a foreign passport and/or obtain the citizenship of a third country.

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Post by Nal » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:07 pm

JAJ....Phew..thanks for taking the time with that!...can't say that did not worry me!

Sakura...hope you pop in to read this as well.

I knew I had my facts but somehow just having you guys reconfirm things was very reassuring. Thanks for taking the time.

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