VICTIM OF FRAUDULENT

[victim]

Need urgent help from the experts!!!!!!!!!

I have been living happily in london for almost 8 years and suddenly found out that my hsmp visa is forged.

My student visa ran out in july 2004, in April my company applied for a work permit but was rejected. Then i found a solicitor advertising on Gumtree who arrange hsmp visa for me and approved in August 2004.

In January 2006 i found out that my hsmp visa was fraud and i got scared of being deported and destroy the visa.

In feb 2006 i flee the uk to my country malaysia but got caught at the heathrow airport and record me as an overstayer.

In march 2006 i reported my case to the uk embassy thinking they will appreate it but instead they refuse my entry to the uk.

All my belongings are stuck in the uk.

Help please - i want to get back to the uk - what can i do?

Thanks a lot

[John]

Sorry to hear about your experience. Do you know for certain this person was a solicitor, or just claiming to be one?

If the person is a real solicitor then the Law Society would be very interested to learn of your experience.

In march 2006 i reported my case to the uk embassy thinking they will appreate it but instead they refuse my entry to the uk.

What sort of visa did you apply for? Under what visa category are you hoping to return to the UK? Do you genuinely qualify for HSMP?

In January 2006 i found out that my hsmp visa was fraud

How did you find out?

[victim]

Thanks for replying.

At that time I was still working and could not take a day off to see him. He said that its not a problem and he could me at lunch near where I worked.

When we met he was in a suit with a tie and a briefcase - exacty how a professional person should look like. He gave me his card.

So really it did not cross my mind at all. I should think all this fraus business usually done under the table but never openly.

Plus I don't know much about HSMP visa.

I found out when I was surfing the net about UK residency and got to know that HSMP visa application usually will take more than a month.

I got my HSMP visa within a month, I went to find him at his office location since his contact number not valid but the office address was a sham.

I call a few solicitors and they all advise me to leave immdiately so I did. The only mistake I did was I destroy my passport and went to my embassy for an emergency passport to go home. The reason being I wanted to leave the country legally. If I were to report this with the fraud documents I doubt the Govt will believe me and I might get deported.

I have lost my job @ gbp25k a year and all my certificates and my things are in UK. I have a partner almost 5 years together but we are not ready to get married just yet.

I am stuck - can u help - advise anybody?

[John]

I have a partner almost 5 years together but we are not ready to get married just yet.

After 5 years, how long do you need?

Anyway, if the two of you have lived together for at least two years, and your partner is settled in the UK .... British or with ILR .... then why not try for an UPV .... Unmarried Partner's Visa?

[victim]

We are not living together but we are living nearby.

I only will live together after marriage. Its not the time yet.

Now when I am stuck here he did ask me to marry him but its not the right time. Besides if we get married now UK visa will think this is a marriage of convenience.

He is French by the way and living in the UK for over 8 years now.

My solution now is to get a work permit but its quite difficult to find employer to sponsor. My hsmp visa points is 60. How the hell I am going to get scores on age and salary since UK salary is not applicable.

I think HSMP visa points is so unfair and rediculous. I am eligible to migrate to new zealand and australia.

But what upsets me is that I did not this overstaying business on purpose and now been punished for someone else's corrupt.

Uk visa should use their judgement better b4 giving such silly decisions. Their decisions kills many innocents life.

How do I find employer?

[touchsensor]

I am so sorry to hear your case. How do you know that they recorded that you overstayed in the UK?
What visa did you apply for to return to the UK?

[victim]

At heathrow airport, immigrations checking on all passengers leaving the UK.

I applied as a visitor entry but not with the intention to work - I resign before I left.

I thought when I come back with a visitor entry I could get solicitor from the UK which will be a lot easier.

It is such a pity, the UK embassy should at least look at overall of my profile and not giving the same treatment as given to all overstayers.

Its unfair but I am still fighting on my case. I am looking to complaint to the body that incharge of UK Immigration.

Anyone have any ideas how I can win this case?

[touchsensor]

At heathrow airport, immigrations checking on all passengers leaving the UK.

Did they question you at airport and told you that you have overstayed?
What reason was given when they refused your visitor visa?
If you overstayed, it is difficult to get a student/tourist visa.

I can be wrong though.

[victim]

They asked y I ovestayed I told them I didn't know that was and I told them my story in summary.

UK visa in my country told me that all overstayers cannot return to the UK.

I have supplied all documents but they think I will go to the UK and dissappear.

They are so silly.

[touchsensor]

They asked y I ovestayed I told them I didn't know that was and I told them my story in summary.

UK visa in my country told me that all overstayers cannot return to the UK.

I have supplied all documents but they think I will go to the UK and dissappear.

Did you apply for the visitor visa in your country-VFS? What grounds of refusal was stated in their refusal letter? This will determine what they have used to make a decision on your case.

About the immigration officers in Heathrow, did they question you in a room and excorted you to the plane? Did they confirm that you have overstayed in the 'emergency passport'?Did they stamp your passpost?If they did, what did they stamp on it?

[ppron747]

About the immigration officers in Heathrow, did they question you in a room and excorted you to the plane? Did they confirm that you have overstayed in the 'emergency passport'?Did they stamp your passpost?If they did, what did they stamp on it?

Where is this line of interrogration leading, touchsensor? OP said she was stopped on the way out of UK in Feb 2006 and "recorded as an overstayer". Does it really matter whether her travel document was stamped or not? There is a worldwide "stop-list" which her name will be on...

[touchsensor]

Paul,
I was not interrogating but just trying to put the puzzle together. I have known(even read in this forum) people who have overstayed and given entry visa(mostly on compasionate grounds).

[victim]

No they did not take me nowhere, they only ask 1 question - WHY OVERSTAYED? - Thats all.

No they did not stamp anything on my dcuments but they ask me to sign a form for overstayer - real shit.

Other cases on overstayer allowed back in - really depends on the officer at that time. Mine is just full of bad luck from the day i got that bloody hsmp stamp.

My only solution is to get back by work permit - i don't want to use marrying my partner as an excuse. At the end of the day i have not done anything wrong but i pray to god - that bloody fraud bast**d will burn in hell.

[badboyz]

You shouldn`t have destroyed your passport, you should have carried to the homeoffice and report this lawyer now what evidence do you have that can prove your case to them.

[Dawie]

Why did you apply for a visitors visa to the UK? Nationals of Malaysia do not require a visa to enter the UK as tourists.

[ppron747]

This page on the UKVisas website includes the following advice -

N.B. Even though you do not need a visa, if you have previously been refused a visa for, or entry to, the UK you may want to apply for one to find out if you qualify for entry before you travel.

OP may not have been refused a visa or entry, but I think she was sensible to take the precaution of applying before trying to return.

[victim]

I don't think dey will believe me after 1 year & 1/2 overstayed. i ws scared i be in prison and den deported. u hear all news about immigration issues in da uk and it frightens me. besides the uk visa said 2 me dat i should know how 2 identify between the forged & the original visa. i said 2 dem dat dis was da 1st time i have seen hsmp visa, of course i don't know how it should look like. besides i went thru a solicitor how m i supposed to know dat he is a f**ker? plus he visa officer said i should know immigration rules better and it is my responsibilities to know it. really she is talking alot of bullshit.

As an overstayer u need entry clearance b4 u travel da uk or else u will be refused entry to the uk and believe it will b a waste of money & time plus embarrassment. Dis people don't care about u. i don't know how dey think?

[Mafia]

Sorry to hear about your misfortune.

You should not have destroyed your passport as it contains important evidence about the forged HSMP vignette and would have helped you to demonstrate that it was obtained it in good faith. Without this important piece of evidence, it is not surprising that the EC officer is sceptical about your position as anyone would have easily concocted such “stories”.

I think it will be very difficult for you to return to the UK as a visitor. Similarly you do not wish to pursue the idea of marrying your French partner. You currently do not meet the requirements of applying for a HSMP visa. Additionally you feel that it is difficult to get a UK based employer to apply for a work permit. It would appear that the UK is out of bounds for you at least in the near future or until your circumstances change.

If you like the idea of working outside Malaysia, why don’t you try your luck in Australia or NZ as you said you may be eligible to emigrate there? With regards to your personal belongings, try to get a friend to send them back.

[Rogerio]

Victim,

you have many options and are probably in a better situation than a lot of other people.

I only will live together after marriage. Its not the time yet.?

You can get an unmarried partner visa afer 2 years of a proven relationship living together - maybe given the circumstances you find yourself in, it is time after the 5 yrs you have been together to re-consider this an option.

Now when I am stuck here he did ask me to marry him but its not the right time. Besides if we get married now UK visa will think this is a marriage of convenience.?

Why will they? Do you yourself have any reason to believe so? If as you say, this relationship *is* genuine then surely you have nothing to worry about. Are you saying you will not get married / live together now for fear of the Home Office thinking your relationship is not genuine? I find this very odd. Maybe some food for thought there.

My solution now is to get a work permit but its quite difficult to find employer to sponsor. My hsmp visa points is 60. How the hell I am going to get scores on age and salary since UK salary is not applicable.?

1. How can you work out the UK points, when UK salary does not count, by your own admission?
2. You are providing your own solution: work permit...

I think HSMP visa points is so unfair and rediculous. I am eligible to migrate to new zealand and australia.?

Well, this is not Australia or New Zealand, don't understand why you are comparing really, or what good that will do.

If from what you are saying you can get points for Australia and New Zealand, are these options worth considering, instead of the UK?

besides i went thru a solicitor how m i supposed to know dat he is a f**ker?

By doing your homework. Surely a professional person educated enough to be able to immigrate to Australia or New Zealand, by your own admission, would investigate people & companies claiming to get you visas a bit more than by measuring their competency by them being on a suit and carrying a suitcase.

But what upsets me is that I did not this overstaying business on purpose and now been punished for someone else's corrupt.?

Put it down to experience, surely if you are emigrating to a different country, you should try and understand the rules of the game. I am flabbergasted, stunned, and bewildered, to say the least, that you choose to meet someone who promises to give you a visa, or apply for one on your behalf, and you believe this person blindly.

Uk visa should use their judgement better b4 giving such silly decisions. Their decisions kills many innocents life.?

I wholeheartedly disagree. These are certainly not "silly decisions". I am not sure how many "innocents" are being "killed" by the Home Office decision not to grant a visa to someone who has been working and staying illegally in the UK.

How do I find employer?

1. Maybe in the same way you found the first one? Can you not go back and work for them?
2. Maybe your own old employer? They surely know your professional qualifications and capabilities?
3. Your work network and old colleagues may help?
4. internet search
5. company HR websites?

[victim]

Thanks 4 ur reply. Thats alot of info I can use.

I cannot claim unmarried partners bcoz we r not living 2gether.

We r both in different religion and his mother refused to accept us being together. So we are still working on this matter. His mum is slowly accepting me and its gonna take a bit more time. Without explaining further - I will like to keep this as a privte matter - if u don't mind.

Previously I used recruitment agency , now I don't think they will help with the work permit.