ESC

Click the "allow" button if you want to receive important news and updates from immigrationboards.com


Immigrationboards.com: Immigration, work visa and work permit discussion board

Welcome to immigrationboards.com!

Login Register Do not show

British citizen's Child's nationality confirmation!

General UK immigration & work permits; don't post job search or family related topics!

Please use this section of the board if there is no specific section for your query.

Moderators: Casa, archigabe, CR001, push, JAJ, ca.funke, Amber, zimba, vinny, Obie, EUsmileWEallsmile, batleykhan, meself2, geriatrix, John, ChetanOjha, Administrator

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

British citizen's Child's nationality confirmation!

Post by British » Mon May 22, 2006 12:33 pm

Hi All,

I am a Naturalised British citizen. I was an Indian citizen with ILR in UK, until last June.

I got naturalised last June (June 2005) in UK as a British Citizen.

I am married to my wife (who is an Indian Citizen) and who holds a Spouse/Marraige visa (having married to me).
We recently decided to have our child develivered in India and hence she flew to India 3 months back. Now recently my wife delivered our girl baby in India.

Both my wife and my new born child will return to UK in July.

Now my question is this: Is my daughter (who is born in India) a British citizen?

Do i need to register my new born daughter as a British Citizen in India (with a British consulate) or is she a British citizen by birth (since she is born to me - a naturalised British citizen married to an Indian citizen Mother with UK Spouse/Marriage visa ) and hence only need to apply for a British Passport (in India) and then fly with my wife to UK?

We have taken the Form C2 (in India) and are about to apply for my daughter's British passport. Just wanted to confirm that we are doing the right thing.

Please advise.

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Mon May 22, 2006 12:57 pm

Congrats on the recent event!

If, as you say, you were naturalised before her birth, your baby is automatically a British citizen by descent, under section 2(1)(a) of the British Nationality Act 1981. Consular birth registration is optional and quite expensive, but is probably a good idea it results in her having a British-style birth certificate, copies of which will always be available from the General Register Office in the UK.

Effectively, this constitutes permanent proof of her claim to British citizenship, which means she won't have to produce other documents to prove it in the future. You can get details from the British High Commission website.

Were I in your shoes, I'd certainly do it.
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Mon May 22, 2006 10:32 pm

Thanks for that. :-)

Now one other question:

I have given my naturalisation certificate (original) to my wife (who is currently in India) since the Form C2 requires that we have to send the application to New Delhi office and it has to be sent along with my original Naturalisation certificate and my British passport (apart from the other documents like our marriage certificate).

Since I am in Britain, I could not give her my original passport. It looks like I can give her my Passport's UK Notraised copy so that she can send the application form with it.

Which pages do I notarise in my passport? Can I just notarise the last page that has my details on it (shiny page :-)) + the page where there have been entry and exit stamps (due to the recent visits to India I have made to see my wife and child).

Thanks a lot.

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Mon May 22, 2006 11:10 pm

I would hope that you'll be able to get away with just the data page - your comings and goings shouldn't really be relevant in this context.

In your position I think I'd be tempted to contact the Nationality and Consular Registration Section in the Consular Directorate of the Foreign & Commonwealth Office in London, and see if they'd be prepared to fax a copy to New Delhi on your behalf - it isn't something they have to do, but they might, if you ask nicely :)

If they agree, you could either post the original passport to them, or arrange to drop it in, if you're not too far from Trafalgar Square...
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Wed May 24, 2006 11:05 am

Hi,

Now that all documentation is ready, there is another horrible update from the British consulate.

When my wife contacted the embassy about the documents she has, they have now said that since the father (me) who is signing the application form (section 7) for the child's passport is currently in the UK, the person who will sign the form saying he personally knows me for atleast 2 years, has to be a British citizen who is currently in the UK, and hence not some person who is in India.

This is something that i can manage to get done - no problems.
BUT, now comes couple of other horrible stuff for the consulate:

Issue 1. The person (in the UK) who signs saying he knows me for atleast 2 years, has to be the same person who also countersigns the child's photograph, saying it shows the true likeliness of the child's face.

The issue here is that this person (in the UK) has not seen my child at all (a new born, who is in India now!), although i have shown the photographs of the child, me and my wife and our relatives, from the baby naming function held this month in India and also a video of the same.

But I could not ask him to countersign that based on these!

Issue 2. Since i am signing the application form for the child's passport, the consulate insist that I will have to be physically be present in the area from where the application is being filed - that is, in my case, since I am currently in UK, and my child is in India with my wife, and my wife will be sending the application forms (signed by me) to New Delhi, the forms and hte consulate insist that I will have to be there in India!!!!!!

I thought, to solve all these issues, i could ask some qualiied/eligible person (say a doctor) in India, to sign the form saying he knows me for more than 2 years (easy because he is our family doctor in India) and also can countersign the child's photo since he is in India and has seen my daughter.

When we asked about this to UK consulate, they said if we were to do that, I will have to be in India (since i am signing as the father in section 7 of the form) and hence i could not sign the form from being in UK.

When we said this is all causing lots of hardship, we were advised (i am not going to say who, it is obvious!) that the paper work system seems to have been designed badly (since it does not seem to consider a scenario of the father being in the UK and wife sending out the applcation from outside the UK) and hence to apply for an Indian passport for the child and take a right of abode sticker.

No dis-respect meant here - but i am saying this out of frustration: I thought that the UK "immigration" system was in horrible state, but now it looks like even the system to serve British citizens (like me and my daughter in my particular case) is also in horrible state with UK Home office, consequently causing us to go for the Indian citizenship although my daughter is British.

Now i have asked my wife to apply for Indian passport and a ROA sticker.

I really wish that the ROA application process at least will be easy to use. Fingers crossed though! :wink:

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Wed May 24, 2006 12:18 pm

In your shoes, I'd get straight on to the FCO Consular Directorate and complain - I'm sure your scenario crops up frequently, all over the world, and I think the BHC in New Delhi are wrong.
The proof of their being wrong will, of course, be if they issue a Cert of Entitlement to ROA to your baby on the basis of the same evidence that they're refusing a passport, given that the two things are, in this instance, both proving exactly the same thing....
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

PASS
Junior Member
Posts: 86
Joined: Sat Apr 01, 2006 6:29 pm

Post by PASS » Wed May 24, 2006 7:44 pm

It is very strange.

Assume that

If your child is born in a country that does not offer citizenship by birth and you registered your child as British Citizen by descent.

Is British Consulate (in that country) ask you to get an Indian Passport for your child to come to the UK?

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Wed May 24, 2006 8:05 pm

That's why I'm so sure it's a mistake - I think the person dealing with it can't get his/her head around the notion that you have to be the child's parent in order to apply for a British passport for the child, but you don't have to be the British parent... The child's claim to nationality through one parent in no way diminishes the rights of the other parent.

British: do get on to the FCO about this - I think the Section you need is called something along the lines of Passport Policy Section... And let us know what happens!
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Wed May 24, 2006 8:20 pm

Hi guys,

So are you saying that my wife - who is an Indian citizen (married to me, a British citizen and is the legitimate mother of the child - i am providing these information just to give all information for analysis) could sign the section 7 of the C2 Form here:-
Applying for a UK Passport Whilst Overseas

The consulate says that the guidance notes clearly insists that it must be me, the British father.

I agrued that the Note 5 for section 7 says i can give a letter explaining why i am not signing and asking my wife to sign, but they said it has to be the father through whom the child got its British citizenship.

I guess I could simply ask my wife to sign the application in section 7 of form C2 and ask somebody who know her for 2+ years to sign and countersign the application and send it with my letter requesting to acept my wife's signature in Section 7 along with other required documents (like my naturalisation certificate and my notarised copy of my British passport) and see if the application is considered.

In all fairness, if the documentation can prove my child is a British citizen by descent, i think it should not really matter which parent signs the application form's section 7 (i.e. childs one of the parent should be accepted for signing section 7).

I am going to give it a try and see what happens.

One of the local solicitors here advised me that it is better to submit the application exactly like how "they" are asking for, rather than to try out something and getting the application returned.

Any advice appreciated.

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Wed May 24, 2006 9:04 pm

British - neither Section 7 on the application nor note 5 of the notes make ANY mention of the citizenship of the parent. They are solely concerned with parental responsibilty, and the citizenship and whereabouts of THE CHILD. That is all. If it meant anything else, it would say it.

I've already advised you to contact the Passport Policy Section of the FCO, and I can't believe that they won't sort it out as soon as they hear about the impasse.
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

John
Moderator
Posts: 12320
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, England
United Kingdom

Post by John » Wed May 24, 2006 10:31 pm

British, as Paul has said, Section 7 of the Notes makes no reference to the nationality of the parent :-
Note 7 – Section 8 – Declaration of Parent (or Guardian)

One of your parents (or guardian) should complete and sign Section 8 if you are 16 or 17 years of age, unless you are married, (in which case you should produce your marriage certificate) or if you are enlisted in HM Forces (for which you should supply evidence). If your parent/guardian is not available to sign the form, he/she must write a letter of consent. Please send the letter with the application, together with evidence of your parent’s/guardian’s identity and relationship to you, for example, their passport and your long-form birth certificate. If you are illegitimate, the consent should be given by your mother. In some countries it may be necessary for both parents to sign.
That seems pretty clear to me. As Paul has already said :-
I've already advised you to contact the Passport Policy Section of the FCO, and I can't believe that they won't sort it out as soon as they hear about the impasse.
John

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Thu May 25, 2006 11:15 am

Excellent guys. Thanks for your comments.

I am now applying for my daughter's British passport - I feel so happy now, as though i have now won Lotto lottery!

Now i have got couple of more questions:

C2 Application Form.
-------------------
Page 1
My Q 1. "Initials" - What should I put in here?

Page 2:
Sec 1a:

My Q 2. Age last Birthday

My child was born on the 2nd week of April and is only douple of days old. What should I put in here ?

My Q 3. Was the child born in a foreign country and the birth registered at a British Consulate?

Should I say Yes or No ???
I am asking this becuase they have mixed two questions in one with one answer, its horrible. Actually the answer to the first part is yes (it was born in India, not UK), but the answer to the second part is that we are going to apply for registration along with the passport application.

So, unless we had a "YesNo" option what else could we answer! :-)

Sec 1b:

My Q 4. Was the child registered as a British citizen, British Dependent/Overseas Territories citizen, British Overseas citizen, British subject or British protected person - Should I say Yes or No ???

I guess i should say No to this question, but the point is we are indeed going to register the birth along with the passport application. I wonder if i said No to this question and we eventually get the child birth registered along with the passport application, would the answer in teh application form be all right?

Page 4:
Sec 7:

My Q 5. Relationship to Child
Since my wife is going to sign the section 7, and she writes that the relationship to Child is "Mother", would it be OK vis-a-vis Notes for Section 7 ? - i.e. it is mentioned that Mother means mother of an illegitimate child. Can the mother not sign if the child is legitimate.

Now, there is a parental declaration form that we will need to submit. I have got some questions on that too:

Parental Declaration Form
-------------------------

It goes like this:

DECLARATION OF PARENTS

Please extend British Passport No. __________________________

We (full names) _________________________________________ declare that (cross out wording 2 or 3, whichever is not appropriate)

1. Our rights in respect of (insert names of child/children) ________________________________
have not been limited in any way by the order of any court having jurisdiction over him/ her/them.

2. The child to whom British passport No. ________________ was granted is a British citizen or British Dependent Territories citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person, has not lost or renounced this status and is today in the area or country of application.

3. I am a British Citizen or British Dependent Territories Citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person. I have not lost or renounced this status and I (and any children included on the passport) am/are today in the area or the country of application.

4. No one included on this passport owes money to Her Majesty's Government for repatriation or similar relief.

5. The child has no other valid passport (this includes a British passport, British Visitor's Passport, Commonwealth passport) or travel documents of any kind, and have made no other application for a passport.

6. The information given in this declaration is correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.


My Q 1. "Please Extend British Passport No. ------- "

We are only applying for the first child passport for the child. I wonder why they want an answer for extending a British passport. Should we simply say not applicable.


My Q 2. "Cross out wordings 2 or 3 whichever applicable ." In the section "We (full names) ..." we have this. What are we supposed to cross out. There is nothing to choose from!

There is another form called "Personal Description Form" where i have 2 questions which i will post soon.

Thanks for all of your help.

My wife is now taking to UK consulate in New Delhi, and she might come back with more questions :-)

I guess this discussion thread will be useful for all others as well in future.

John
Moderator
Posts: 12320
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, England
United Kingdom

Post by John » Thu May 25, 2006 11:32 am

British, is this a joke? Sorry, personally I don't have time for this!
Page 1
My Q 1. "Initials" - What should I put in here?
Errrr? How about .... your initials? Indeed I think it is so obvious that I have not bothered to read the rest of your questions.

Come on ... get real ..... just read the form!
John

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Thu May 25, 2006 12:36 pm

Cheers John, Thanks for your time.

Well, i knew what initial meant, but what is making it a joke?? I just wanted to confirm that they realy meant to only see the first letter from my "first name" and not the full first name.

It is not a joke - in India the way we display our names is different - the initial means the first letter from the surname and not the first name as is used in the UK.

Even in my daughter's Indian birth certificate my "initials" is recorded as the first letter from my surname.

So i just wanted to confirm which one they wanted, since they claim that these forms are specific to each country and hence i just wanted to make sure these things.

If you don't want to answer, don't answer, but do not insult, without knowing why i could have asked that question in the first place.

You are asking me to read the form to get this clarified - where is this clarification, can i ask?

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Thu May 25, 2006 12:40 pm

British wrote:Excellent guys. Thanks for your comments.

I am now applying for my daughter's British passport - I feel so happy now, as though i have now won Lotto lottery!

Now i have got couple of more questions:
C2 Application Form.
-------------------
Page 1
My Q 1. "Initials" - What should I put in here?
At the top of the form, enter the first letters of Baby British's forename(s). Fred Eric Smith would put FE. In the box lower down, you initial it in the same way as you would initial an alteration to a document
Page 2:
Sec 1a:

My Q 2. Age last Birthday

My child was born on the 2nd week of April and is only douple of days old. What should I put in here ?

0
My Q 3. Was the child born in a foreign country and the birth registered at a British Consulate?

Should I say Yes or No ???
I am asking this becuase they have mixed two questions in one with one answer, its horrible. Actually the answer to the first part is yes (it was born in India, not UK), but the answer to the second part is that we are going to apply for registration along with the passport application.

So, unless we had a "YesNo" option what else could we answer! :-)

But Baby British wasn't born in a foreign country - India is a Commonwealth country, and in any case you haven't registered the birth yet, so the answer must be NO.
Sec 1b:

My Q 4. Was the child registered as a British citizen, British Dependent/Overseas Territories citizen, British Overseas citizen, British subject or British protected person - Should I say Yes or No ???

I guess i should say No to this question, but the point is we are indeed going to register the birth along with the passport application. I wonder if i said No to this question and we eventually get the child birth registered along with the passport application, would the answer in teh application form be all right?
Baby British is a British citizen - you're registering her birth, you're not having her registered as a BC. As with the last question, you haven't done it yet anyway, so the answer must be NO
Page 4:
Sec 7:

My Q 5. Relationship to Child
Since my wife is going to sign the section 7, and she writes that the relationship to Child is "Mother", would it be OK vis-a-vis Notes for Section 7 ? - i.e. it is mentioned that Mother means mother of an illegitimate child. Can the mother not sign if the child is legitimate.
In the case of a legitimate child, either parent can apply. In the case of an illegitimate child, only the mother can apply, unless the father has obtained a parental order.
Now, there is a parental declaration form that we will need to submit. I have got some questions on that too:

Parental Declaration Form
-------------------------

It goes like this:

DECLARATION OF PARENTS

Please extend British Passport No. __________________________

We (full names) _________________________________________ declare that (cross out wording 2 or 3, whichever is not appropriate)

1. Our rights in respect of (insert names of child/children) ________________________________
have not been limited in any way by the order of any court having jurisdiction over him/ her/them.

2. The child to whom British passport No. ________________ was granted is a British citizen or British Dependent Territories citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person, has not lost or renounced this status and is today in the area or country of application.

3. I am a British Citizen or British Dependent Territories Citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person. I have not lost or renounced this status and I (and any children included on the passport) am/are today in the area or the country of application.

4. No one included on this passport owes money to Her Majesty's Government for repatriation or similar relief.

5. The child has no other valid passport (this includes a British passport, British Visitor's Passport, Commonwealth passport) or travel documents of any kind, and have made no other application for a passport.

6. The information given in this declaration is correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.
My Q 1. "Please Extend British Passport No. ------- "

We are only applying for the first child passport for the child. I wonder why they want an answer for extending a British passport. Should we simply say not applicable.
Delete that sentence
My Q 2. "Cross out wordings 2 or 3 whichever applicable ." In the section "We (full names) ..." we have this. What are we supposed to cross out. There is nothing to choose from!

In para 2 of the declaration - "The child to whom British passport No. ________________ was granted is a British citizen... " etc, delete "to whom British passport No. ________________ was granted".
In para 3, delete "I am a British Citizen or British Dependent Territories Citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person. I have not lost or renounced this status and" as your wife is the applicant, and she is not a British citizen.
There is another form called "Personal Description Form" where i have 2 questions which i will post soon.
Thanks for all of your help.

My wife is now taking to UK consulate in New Delhi, and she might come back with more questions :-)

I guess this discussion thread will be useful for all others as well in future.
Last edited by ppron747 on Thu May 25, 2006 1:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Thu May 25, 2006 12:46 pm

Cheers Paul. Thanks a lot for that.

In the last section:

"In para 3, delete "I am a British Citizen or British Dependent Territories Citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person. I have not lost or renounced this status and" as your wife is the applicant, and she is not a British citizen. "

But the problem is the form needs to be signed by both parents (i will be signing it here in the UK and sending it out to India for my wife to sign it and the she will send it with the application).

In this case I am a British citizen and my wife is not. So should we delete that section as you say or should we simple amend it and attacn a note to this page saying father is a british citizen and mother is not.

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Thu May 25, 2006 1:13 pm

That form seems to be unique to the British High Commission in New Delhi - there's no legal requirement for both parents to consent to the issue of a passport, and I'm puzzled by the use of the word "WE", which doesn't conform with any other British passport form. Perhaps the answer is that you should each sign a separate declaration, amended according to the circumstances of each of you.
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Thu May 25, 2006 1:29 pm

Cheers Ppron.

I called them up only to hear that they want to see only one form signed by both parents. When i asked about this question as to how to manage what to delete from the section, considering one parent is Britsh and the other is not, she said she consulted all in the department but did not know the answer.

But said, if we sitll supplied two forms signed by each one of us, the application could be returned :cry:

ppron747
inactive
Posts: 950
Joined: Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:10 pm
Location: used to be London

Post by ppron747 » Thu May 25, 2006 1:31 pm

Contact the FCO's passport policy section as already suggested
|| paul R.I.P, January, 2007
Want a 2nd opinion? One will be along shortly....

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Thu May 25, 2006 2:19 pm

Thanks PPron, i will contact that section today.

Two more questions:

There is a personal description form where a common wealth citizen signs tha the know sthe person for at least 2 years.

I am sure it is for the one that will sign section 7, i.e. my wife, athough it says "PERSONAL DESCRIPTION OF APPLICANT".

Q 1. Whose photograph should I paste on the form ?

I am 100 % sure its my wife's.

But the covering letter from High commission to my wife says that we have to enclose photograph of child on the personal description and parental declaration forms.

I take it they are talking about the child's photograh in addition to my wife's photo in that form.


Q 2. Details of Personal Description of Applicant for e.g. Profession, Residence, Height, Colour of Eyes, Colour of Hair, Visible Peculiarities etc -

The applicant is my daughter so i think these details are of my daughter's?

But, these details are printed to the right side the photograph area in that form - i.e. in the left side it will have my wife's photograph, but in the right side for the details section, we give our daughter's details??? (because she is the applicant in the Passport application). That is a bit confusing.

Thanks for you time.

mhunjn
Member
Posts: 231
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:58 pm

Post by mhunjn » Thu May 25, 2006 5:13 pm

Which part of India are you talking of here?... I have never come across this before! As far as I remember, inital always means albhabet of first name.

Hope you have sorted out your application!
British wrote:It is not a joke - in India the way we display our names is different - the initial means the first letter from the surname

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Thu May 25, 2006 5:40 pm

Are you an Indian (or have been one) by the way? OK, in anycase, you have not come across of this before, that's OK, but i have been an Indian citizen living in India for about 31 years and this is how i have seen the pattern.

If an indian has his first name as Firstname and his surname/last name as Lastname, the initials would be the first letter of the surname/lastname: i.e. in this example it will be L.

For example if you see a a credit card issued in India or even say a birth certificate for issued for someone's child in India (does not matter which part of India, but i know of this in Southern part of India) the credit card will have the name of card holder as: "L Firstname" and not "F Lastname" and the birth certificate will have the father's name as "L Firstname" (they might expand the surname, maybe, but usually its given as L Firstname). I have my daughter's birth certificate like that.

You can even refer this in any Indian's school certificate or ration card or voter id card etc.

That's been my experience and i have seen this with my entire family's documents and my friends. But i cannot vouch this happening in the entire India.

Anyway, thanks! I will sort out applying for my child's British passport soon and keep you all updated.

John
Moderator
Posts: 12320
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, England
United Kingdom

Post by John » Thu May 25, 2006 6:43 pm

British, yesterday you provided a link to a webpage where it is possible to download the C2 form. Did you also download the C2 Notes?

I really am struggling to understand your questions! You ask "Whose photograph should I paste on the form ?" So where exactly does it say about pasting any photograph on the form? Please point out where it says that?

And on the C2 notes it specifically says :-
Note 7 – Photographs
Please send two identical copies of a photograph of the child taken within the last three months.
-: so why are you saying "I am 100 % sure its my wife's" ???????????

And your second question, "Q 2. Details of Personal Description of Applicant for e.g. Profession, Residence, Height, Colour of Eyes, Colour of Hair, Visible Peculiarities etc - ". There is no such question on the form C2 that you provided a link to!

What form exactly are you attempting to fill in?
John

British
Member
Posts: 199
Joined: Mon May 22, 2006 12:30 pm

Post by British » Thu May 25, 2006 7:11 pm

That is the horrible worrying thing about applying in India, John.

To the outside world it looks as though they ask you to fill up only one form viz., C2 and a simple few pages Notes to C2.

When you actually receive the kit for British passport application for minors (C2 pack) from UK consulate in New Delhi, you will know that there is whole lot of additional forms they ask you to submit, otherwise they simply reject the application.

I will attach in a while the two addtional forms they ask applicants to submit as part of Form C2 application pack, in order to get the British passport for my child, These being:

1. Personal Description Form
and
2. Parents declaration form (where both parents will have to sign a declaration)

And i am asking my most recent questions based on these forms.

Remember, these are in addition to the photos and countersignature that you see they ask as part of the C2 form itself.

I will attach the entire form content to this post in a while so you can take a look at it.

Thanks.

OK now i have these documents handy with me and i am pasting their content as-is:

Here comes the Parents declaration form to be attached as part of Form C2 application.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

CAUTION

You are warned that the making of an untrue statement for the purpose of procuring a passport is a criminal offence

DECLARATION OF PARENTS

Please extend British Passport No. __________________________

We (full names) _________________________________________ declare that (cross out wording 2 or 3, whichever is not appropriate)

1. Our rights in respect of (insert names of child/children) ________________________________
have not been limited in any way by the order of any court having jurisdiction over him/ her/them.

2. The child to whom British passport No. ________________ was granted is a British citizen or British Dependent Territories citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person, has not lost or renounced this status and is today in the area or country of application.

3. I am a British Citizen or British Dependent Territories Citizen or British Overseas Citizen or British Subject or British Protected Person. I have not lost or renounced this status and I (and any children included on the passport) am/are today in the area or the country of application.

4. No one included on this passport owes money to Her Majesty's Government for repatriation or similar relief.

5. The child has no other valid passport (this includes a British passport, British Visitor's Passport, Commonwealth passport) or travel documents of any kind, and have made no other application for a passport.

6. The information given in this declaration is correct to the best of my knowledge and belief.

SIGN _____________________ ____________________
(Father) (Mother)
DATE _______________________________
Full names of parents _____________________________________(Father)
_____________________________________(Mother)
Full address of parents ______________________________________________________________
_________________________________________Postcode______________

Telephone No._____________ e-mail address: ____________________________


----------------------------------------------------------------------


Here comes the other form: Personla Description form:

PERSONAL DESCRIPTION FORM

I certify that Mr
Mrs
Miss
Master

has been known to me personally for ___ years. The attached photograph is a true likeness of him/her and the personal description given is correct to the best of my knowledge.


1½ " PERSONAL DESCRIPTION OF APPLICANT

Profession/Occupation:
Residence:
Place of Birth:
2” Date of Birth:
Height: ft inch
Colour of Eyes:
Colour of Hair: Colour of Hair:
Visible peculiarities:

Details of person signing the certificate

I am a British Citizen/Commonwealth citizen.
Name:___________________________
Signature:________________________
Date:____________________________
Profession:_______________________
Address:_________________________
________________________________
________________________________
NOTE:
This certificate should be completed by a British or Commonwealth citizen who has known you personally for at least two years and who is a Member of Parliament, Minister of Religion, Doctor, Bank Officer, Established Civil Servant, School Teacher, Police Officer, or a person of similar standing and not a member of your immediate family.

This certificate should be signed by a person other than that who signs school certificate.


Also, this is the lin (Indian UK consulate link) that lists these forms and there are no guidance forms for these additional forms they ask us to fillup and apply.

http://www.britishhighcommission.gov.uk ... 1396696039

In fact apart from all those web site mentioned documents, they have even asked for both parent's previous cancelled passports (in original, photocopies not accepted even if UK notarised).

We only got to know this yesterday when my wife called up the consulate again to confirm she has all teh documents as per what they asked for until day-before-yesteday :-)

Hope this helps answering some of my recent questions earlier.

I am collecting all answers because i want to be 100% sure i am giving correct answers since they keep warning in all documents that it will be a criminal offence if any untrue / incorrect statements are made when applying for the passport - inspite of the fact that most of their forms requirments are completely vague and unclear and does not come with full guidance notes whatsoever.

Again, no dis-respect meant to UK consulate in my post, but i am frustrated and in complete dis-belief that there is so much tasks to do just to apply for a British passport that my daughter is naturally and rightfully entitled to by being a British citizen by descent :-)

Thanks.
Last edited by British on Thu May 25, 2006 8:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.

John
Moderator
Posts: 12320
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:54 pm
Location: Birmingham, England
United Kingdom

Post by John » Thu May 25, 2006 7:59 pm

OK British, now I understand. Thanks.

In your opening message in this topic you posted :-
We recently decided to have our child develivered in India and hence she flew to India 3 months back. Now recently my wife delivered our girl baby in India.
With hindsight I bet you wish the birth had been in the UK! Too late for you, but maybe a lesson for others of Indian origin deciding where to have the baby born!
John

Locked