- FAQ
- Login
- Register
- Call Workpermit.com for a paid service +44 (0)344-991-9222
ESC
Welcome to immigrationboards.com!
Moderators: Casa, archigabe, CR001, push, JAJ, ca.funke, Amber, zimba, vinny, Obie, EUsmileWEallsmile, batleykhan, meself2, geriatrix, John, ChetanOjha
Let me be more explicit. Have you been officially recognized as retired in the UK? Have you been officially recognized as retired in Spain?miki61 wrote:I am not working at all. There is nothing to stop me seeking employment, but obviously not easily found. I have savings remaining of under £10,000 which entitles me to full State Pension Credit. There is no compulsion to seek work, the basis of this is to equalize in due course the state retirement age of men and women, eventually at 68. At my age 61 I am over the current age whereby there are any restrictions.
What your wife does or does not do is 100% legally irrelevant for the purpose of this. What matters is what the EU citizen does.miki61 wrote:When here in UK my spouse will be seeking work. All of that will be straightforward once we are settled here together.
An EEA FP would allow your spouse to work immediately on arrival in the UK. I personally then to think it is better to get one and then move, especially when entering your own country on the basis of European law.miki61 wrote:I can come and go between here and Spain, I would like to know the simplest and speediest route to take. Is it to apply at UK embassy in Madrid, or here in UK, or simply to drive back with him and turn up at Calais for the Dover ferry?
Singh would be pretty straight forward if you had not moved to the UK.miki61 wrote:We have the necessary valid passports, marriage certificate, evidence that I was exercising my treaty rights in Spain, evidence that we lived together for over 5 years in Spain. My reading of Surinder Singh says the application for the EEA Family Permit should be straightforward. (being optimistic)
Some of the intrusive questions are allowed (e.g. criminal background). Some of the questions seem 100% irrelevant (or should I say "not material to a decision"). For instance, you have to put the EEA FP applicants occupation and salary. It is a totally irrelevant question, and I so not see a reason to not just leave it blank.miki61 wrote:The reason for my being tempted to try arriving at Calais without having the Family Permit in advance is that there are a multitude of questions on form VAF5 DEC 2008 which I do not believe should be necessary. I prefer not to give unnecessary hostages to fortune for what may be subsequent applications in future years. (being pessimistic)
There is no mention here of time limits before applying for or being granted the EEA Family Permit. In any event, my latest plan is to drive back to Spain and apply from there. I see two possible outcomes, either a) approval under Surinder Singh rules or b) refusal.S T A T U T O R Y I N S T R U M E N T S
2006 No. 1003
IMMIGRATION
The Immigration (European Economic Area) Regulations 2006
Family members of United Kingdom nationals
9.—(1) If the conditions in paragraph (2) are satisfied, these Regulations apply to a person who is the family member of a United Kingdom national as if the United Kingdom national were an EEA national.
(2) The conditions are that—
(a) the United Kingdom national is residing in an EEA State as a worker or self-employed
person or was so residing before returning to the United Kingdom; and
(b) if the family member of the United Kingdom national is his spouse or civil partner, the
parties are living together in the EEA State or had entered into the marriage or civil
partnership and were living together in that State before the United Kingdom national
returned to the United Kingdom.
(3) Where these Regulations apply to the family member of a United Kingdom national the
United Kingdom national shall be treated as holding a valid passport issued by an EEA State for the purpose of the application of regulation 13 to that family member.
Your quote says that if you (as UK passport holder) qualify, that you are to be treated as if you had an EU passport of another member state.miki61 wrote:There is no mention here of time limits before applying for or being granted the EEA Family Permit.
Yes you have certainly clarified, not muddled!When a worker returns to the Member State of which he is a national, after being gainfully employed in another Member State, a third-country national who is a member of his family has a right under Article 10(1)(a) of Regulation No 1612/68 as amended by Regulation No 2434/92, which applies by analogy, to reside in the Member State of which the worker is a national, even where that worker does not carry on any effective and genuine economic activities.
So the latest version of my plan is to apply for the EEA-FP in Spain, producing valid passports, marriage certificate, evidence of my economic activity in Spain and of living together there, also including a letter. Do you think I would be correct in this letter only to quote the Surinder Singh case and after arrival in UK apply for a residence card for my spouse, at that point referring to Eind so it doesn’t muddy the FP waters?The EU has issued a number of Regulations and Directives that give effect to the rights laid down in the Treaties. A Regulation is binding law, and takes precedence over contrary domestic legislation.
It is BIA’s view that the EEA Regulations are completely compatible with the UK's obligations under EEA law, and that all EEA appeals should be dealt with in accordance with the Regulations. However, it is important to remember that EEA law takes precedence over domestic law.
This is the spouse of (effectively because of the Singh decision) an EEA national who is resident here in the UK. As long as the spouse currently plans a long residence in the UK, then they qualify for NHS coverage.nonspecifics wrote:Nhs entitlement and charges for people from abroad:
http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Enti ... /index.htm
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/you ... abroad.htm
have come to the UK to take up permanent residence
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote: But if you look at it in the right way, I could say you moved to London in January, and have so far have not found work. If I were a hard-assed UKBA employee, I would say that "He has been in the UK for almost 6 months, he is not exercising treaty rights, so he is not a qualified person, and so Singh does not apply." (Although I would have to be less clear if I worked for UKBA).
BUT: If you have proof that you are looking for work, and that you have reasonable prospects of finding something, then you also qualify! So send out applications, and keep a record of all the people you talk with! And register with the JobCentre (if you can do that these days?).
Hi , I just want to asked if you get answer of your question ,as I am in same boat that,miki61 wrote:EEA4 makes frequent reference to the 5 year requirement. I am confused as to why EEA2 form tells us to use EEA4 if the EEA national has a permanent incapacity, backed by a consultant.