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Confusion Over Schengen for France
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Castor83
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey all.

Before I posted this I sent a message to TLS asking if we needed a visa with a residence card. Also mentioned and quoted it says in their FAQ you do not. They replied with the following



Dear Applicant

Please be advised as a Thai National it is a requirement that you have a valid Schengen Visa to travel to France.

Please be aware that your wife will also need to apply a Visa to Travel to France. The Visa Type is Short Stay Spouse of EU.

Kind Regards

Tlscontact Team

So it would seem they don't know what they are doing ... Lol

Anyone have an email for the actual French embassy ?
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EUsmileWEallsmile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Castor83 wrote:
Hey all.

Before I posted this I sent a message to TLS asking if we needed a visa with a residence card. Also mentioned and quoted it says in their FAQ you do not. They replied with the following



Dear Applicant

Please be advised as a Thai National it is a requirement that you have a valid Schengen Visa to travel to France.

Please be aware that your wife will also need to apply a Visa to Travel to France. The Visa Type is Short Stay Spouse of EU.

Kind Regards

Tlscontact Team

So it would seem they don't know what they are doing ... Lol

Anyone have an email for the actual French embassy ?


Like I said before, TLS are incorrect. In general Thai nationals require a visa for Schengen, but your family members are not in the general case.

I'm not sure now whether you're still concerned or simply posting back what they wrote to you.
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EUsmileWEallsmile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Where are you located? This is advice from the consulate in Edinburgh.

http://www.ambafrance-uk.org/Visa-for-family-of-an-European
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mcovet
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
my wife travelled via eurostar alone and had a schengen visa in. But the border official didn't even see it, he went straight for the eea card and stamped it. she asked if she needed the schengen visa and the guy said no. Now, I think that this may be a case of a confused caseworker, but if they had such training, happy days for EEA card holders, just go for it, no need for a visa.

Now, the second issue is what you are going to say coming back from france. They will look at your eea card and ask where your eea national is? If not with you, you do not fall under the eu law so shouldn't be travelling visa free. But it's just theory my wife showed her schengen visa coming back.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
mcovet wrote:

Now, the second issue is what you are going to say coming back from france. They will look at your eea card and ask where your eea national is? If not with you, you do not fall under the eu law so shouldn't be travelling visa free.


I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but if re-entering the UK alone, a UK resident card holder is allowed to do so if joining their EU family member national. That would be one circumstance where they could be traveling alone and be allowed to enter.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:
mcovet wrote:

Now, the second issue is what you are going to say coming back from france. They will look at your eea card and ask where your eea national is? If not with you, you do not fall under the eu law so shouldn't be travelling visa free.


I'm not sure if this is what you mean, but if re-entering the UK alone, a UK resident card holder is allowed to do so if joining their EU family member national. That would be one circumstance where they could be traveling alone and be allowed to enter.


yes, that is clearly covered, but a smart border official would ask: "if your EEA fam member is in the UK, how did you get to France without a Schengen visa, as the only way would be to be accompanying or joining your EEA fam member?"

This would be a reasonable question and I wouldn't advise anyone to lie. So, the only thing left to say would be: "your colleague in the UK advised me that I don't need a visa even if travelling alone, check my passport, he stamped my exit on the Resid Card page?"

So, unless someone did it as well as my wife, I would advise to get a visa, but otherwise, just go for it, on Eurostar, there is only ONE booth where they check your docs, and it's French officials (don't remember seeing UK guys on this end).
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John G
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:22 am    Post subject: Travel to Paris with EEA Family visa Reply with quote
Hi All,

To add to this topic thread, me (Italian national) and my de-facto partner (she is a Colombian National) went to Paris with our 8 month old daughter, to watch the Tour De France this year via Eurostar without any problem.

They did "date" stamp her passport on the way out and in, but that's it. Not one question asked and very fast entry/exit to/from France.

Also TLS are TOTALLY INEPT. I don't think they have a clue about any of the EU rules and just copy/paste standard replies. It took me over 20 e-mails to get the reply I needed and even then, they didn't reply with the correct answer to my specific EU article 10 question re freedom of movement.

In any case, anyone reading this, if your partner (married or de-facto) has EEA residence card they DO NOT need a visa for the Euro Schengen zone (bar some countries like Switzerland and 2 or 3 others I think)

Just read up the other threads, print some of the relevant EU legislation on the topic, to keep as ammo if you get some twat at the border gate that hasn't got a clue re EU Law. Then you are ready for a fight! (unlikely to come to this in any case!... but best to be prepared I say)

Thanks

John
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