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Hi everybody, have read the thread with interest.

It seems that most problems are about airline check-in staff who don't know the law.

We want to travel by car to Portugal using the Dover Calais ferry. French immigration is on the Dover side, prior to embarkation.

As this is such a busy route, I would assume that they know their stuff.

Does anybody have any experience of driving to France through Dover?

I am UK man with Non EU wife, she has UK normal residence card.

Cheers

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thanks alot

afizah · Junior Member Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Posts: 12

My father is a french national and my mother is an Indian national both residing in India.They are coming to UK in october My mother has got EEA family permit.My parents are planning to travel to france in feb of next year.Does my mother require a schnegan visa. can anyone please guide me.

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afizah · Junior Member Joined: 25 Sep 2012 Posts: 12

thanks for the reply.my mother holds EEA family permit and my parents are travelling together to france .Does she still need a a visa?.If yes please tell me where to apply for the visa . In london french consulate home page it is given that persons holding ctype visa or any other visa for 6 months should apply schnegan visa in their country of residence . I am really afraid that whether my mom should travel back to India to apply for visa.she was issued carte de sejour valid for 10 yrs which got expired in 2010 This visa was issued in troyes ,france but she stayed there for only 6 months after which she returned to India. please guide me i m really confused.

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countpushkin · Newbie Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Posts: 3

Hi Everyone

I am an Irish citizen residing in the UK. My mother is a Russian citizen and her five years' residence card of a family member of an EEA national expired and she received a UK permanent residence renewable every 10 years. I've discovered that as a holder of a family member residence card of an EU national under Directive 2004/38/EC my mother is entitled to a non-viasa entrey to Schengen area countries.

We were going for a couple of weeks' holidays in Europe and I've contacted a number of embassies (of Spain, Malta, Italy, Cyprus and Bulgaria) and was informed that my mother does require a visa because she now holds a permanent residence which doesn't state that she is "a family member of an EU national". It seems that she has lost her right to free movement within EU countries by obtaining a UK permanent residence which doesn't state her family staus.

The document called "Commission Decision" of 19/03/2010, Brussels (http://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/policies/borders/docs/c_2010_1620_en.pdf) Part III, page 90, makes it very clear that my mother is entitled to a non-visa entry in EU countries however none of the embassies I've contacted was aware or recognised that. At least the Embassy of Malta made an attempt to clarify this issue with their headquater.

I've been advised to contact the UK Home Office and ask them to endorse my mother's status of an EEA family member in her permanent residence stamp but I doubt that they would be willing to help. Has anybody had any experience travelling with this kind of a document or managed to get a non-visa entry?

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EUsmileWEallsmile · Moderator Joined: 07 Oct 2011 Posts: 4553

See also schengen border code.

countpushkin · Newbie Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Posts: 3

Thank Jambo and EUsmileWeallsmile

As far as I understand because we don't have any worthwhile reply from embassies we just have to take a risk with air carriers and border control (hopefully they are more knowlegable) and try to convince them that my mother is entitled to a non-visa entry. Unfortunatley we don't live in London and I don't want to drag my 90 years' old mother all the way to get a visa which she doesn't need.

Schengener · Newbie Joined: 09 Oct 2012 Posts: 9

Hello,

I (German citizen), am planning a long-waited for family visit with my Algerian partner - officially recognized EEA family member. We are not married. Planned car trip route: Dover-Calais ferry, Belgium, NL, Germany.

Bloody studpid French embassy in London says this, see email below - can anyone explain to me, why? Does French law not recognize unmarried couples equally to married ones, and do they have the right within EU zone to make this exemption?

Funnily, the German and Dutch Embassies already gave us green light, on request I even sent a pdf scan of his passport and residence permit to the visa section, before they approved it.

EMAIL FROM THE FRENCH EMBASSY:

Von: "LONDRES-FSLT Visas" <visas.londres-fslt@diplomatie.gouv.fr>
An:

Dear Madam,

I can confirm that this visa exemption does not apply to parents, civil partners and unmarried partners as well as to family members of French nationals. Your partner will therefore have to apply for his visa at the German Consulate.

Regards,

NLR,
FCG, London

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De : Envoyé : mardi 9 octobre 2012 15:51
À : LONDRES-FSLT Visas
Objet : RE: Travel to France

Dear Madam/Sir,

Unfortunately, the visa service that you are refering is not suited in this case.

The TLS website clearly states that it only allows visa enquiries if France is the main destination. However, in our case, France is NOT main destination, but only a transit country, as we wish to visit my family in Germany, travelling there via the Dover-Calais ferry.

As the TLS website does not allow to send email queries, can you please inform me what the French Schengen visa regulation is for EEA family members with a valid British Residence Card, who is not a European citizen, who is travelling together with their German national family member. We are not married, but under British law recognized partnership akin to marriage. I put that down in more detailled writing below.

Many thanks,

--- LONDRES-FSLT Visas <visas.londres-fslt@diplomatie.gouv.fr> schrieb am Fr, 28.9.2012:

Von: LONDRES-FSLT Visas <visas.londres-fslt@diplomatie.gouv.fr>
Betreff: RE: Travel to France
Datum: Freitag, 28. September, 2012 09:34 Uhr

Voir PJ/ See attachment.

Cordialement/ Regards,
MT
FCG, London

snowill · Newbie Joined: 11 Oct 2012 Posts: 2

Hello, I am a spanish national and my husband is from Niger, we got married in uk where we currently live and work, my husband has just got his uk resident card in which states that he is a family member of à eea national.
After reading in the website Of the spanish embassy in london that holders of a uk resident card with a family member of a EEA national recognision werent required to get a visa when entering Spain with the eu member or to join him/her, we bought a flight for this coming 23rd of October, but for to confirm it as I was a bit nervous and after calling unsuccessfully the embassy I went there to ask and they told me that as our marriage wasn't register in the Spanish register ( they told me we had a half marriage which I don't think is write) and can't prove with the official "family book" that we are marriage my husband has to get a tourist visa ( which all it's requirements: medical insurance, prove of incoming, prove of staying, etc).
After leavin very disappointed the embassy I called my usual lawyer who wasn't very able to resolve my querie but told me that my marriage was not half but completely legal an that by law I don't really need to register my marriage in the Spanish civil register if I don't want to...
So basicly my question would be, here in uk when boarding with easyjet would they make a problem as his passport have no visa but his flying with me ( having as mentioned aboved a uk resident card stating he is the family member of a EU national) and we are carrying our uk certificate of marriage? In case we fly through what would they possibly ask in the Spanish airport border, can they denied the entry even if I am exercising my European treaty rights as I am working and living in another EU country?
I'll more than happy if I can get answers here...
Thank you so much for your help
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countpushkin · Newbie Joined: 28 Sep 2012 Posts: 3

Hi Everyone

I've already written on the forum about problems getting confirmation from embassies (Spanish in particular) to travel without a visa for my mother. She is a Russian citizen and I am an Irish passport holder both residing in the UK. My mother had a five years' Residence Card of a Family Member of EU national which has been replaced by a Permanent Residence. After quite a struggle I've got a confirmation that my mother doesn't need a visa to travel to Malta with me (they initially insisted she does need a visa). However after about 45 days struggling with the Spanish Consulate I have two emails insisting that my mother does need to apply for a visa because she holds a Permanent Residence Card in the UK and does state literally “Family member or an EU/EEA National”. I've been so tempted to travel to Spain after a good news from Malta and now I am back to square one. If the Spanish Embassy doesn't know or ignore the rules I just can imagine what I will have to face with airlines.