Urgent Help! Can I work on a Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis?

[new2waix]

Hello,

I am currently working and living in London on a Working-Holiday Maker Visa. The work component ends this week.

I have just been told by the German Nationality office in Koeln that I have attained a Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis. This is a certificate of nationaility for persosn living outside of Germany. They will send the document and other detaisl to the London office.

What happens at the end of this week? Can I keep working?

If I physcially get the Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis document- is this is enough to work in the UK?

What happens from here?

What do I need to stay working and living in the UK?

Thanks for any advice!

Can anyone help!

[John]

I have attained a Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis. This is a certificate of nationaility for persosn living outside of Germany.

My German is non-existent but if that is indeed a Certificate of Nationality, well as a German Citizen you are entitled to use EU Treaty Rights, and those include the ability to live and work in the UK, without requiring a Work Permit.

In order to show evidence of your German Nationality, after you get that certificate, you should speedily get a German passport.

[new2waix]

In order to show evidence of your German Nationality, after you get that certificate, you should speedily get a German passport.

Does anyone know what UK employers require as evidence?

Speaking with the Home Office they said "some" employers require a EU passport or UK Residence Card.

I know that to leave and enter the country I require a passport or ID card. What happens if I am already here on a valid passport (issued from a non-EU country)?

[Marco 72]

I don't know how many British employers have heard of a German Staatsangehörigkeitsausweis (certificate of nationality) or are familiar enough with German to understand what it says. Wouldn't it be better to get a German passport, once you have the Ausweis in your hands?

[John]

new2waix, in order to prove you have the right to work in the UK you will need to acquire a German passport.

The certificate you mention will not be acceptable to an employer.

[new2waix]

German ID Card or German passport?

And would my passport/ID application being processed be adequate evidence to provide to my current employer? Or do I need to actually have the physcial document in hand?

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

German ID Card or German passport?

And would my passport/ID application being processed be adequate evidence to provide to my current employer? Or do I need to actually have the physcial document in hand?

You can travel or live anywhere in the EU with either a German ID card or a German passport. Your choice. (The German embassy can advise on the price and delivery times for each). The embassy should be able to issue either document within a few weeks.

Technically, according to Directive 2004/38/EC you need either the ID card or passport before you exercise your rights. But if you are renewing your passport or id card, there may obviously be times when you do not have one.

If your employer is not happy with the letter from the Germans and with the proof that you have submitted the passport application, I would suggest you agree with your employer that you take one or two weeks off while you get your final German documentation. He's not paying you so he should be fine. And then you come back with your documentation and keep working.

May is a good time to take a week off (in my opinion).

[Marco 72]

I'm not sure if it's possible to get a German ID card abroad. Why not just apply for a passport at the nearest consulate? The Italian consulate in London issues passports on the same day to Italians who are resident in the UK, if they apply in person. I would be surprised if the German consulate were much less efficient.

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

These days a lot of countries issue the passports in the home country and then ship them to the embassy. This can slow down the process by at least a week.

[Siggi]

New2waix,
Indeed you are now einen Deutscher Burger so I would advise you to apply asap for a Reisepass, passport, this will allow you to remain in UK with no further problems in terms of visa ect.
Maybe the best thing would be to go to Germany and apply there for you passport and then return to the UK.

[John]

If your employer is not happy with the letter from the Germans .....

Any employer up to speed on the subject of proving that their employee are "legal" will know the concept of the employee, or prospective employee, needing to provide one item from List 1, or the right combination of two items from List 2.

A Certificate of Naturalisation issued by another EU/EEA state is on neither List 1 nor on List 2, and accordingly would not be acceptable.

However List 1 includes "a document showing that the holder is a national of the European Economic Area or Switzerland (either a passport, or national identity card)".

[new2waix]

So it's pretty clear I need a valid EU ID card or EU passport.

I plan to put in my application ASAP, however there is a good chance I will need to take a holiday from my current employer until I get my documents.

I was hoping that a pending application would be enough...

[John]

there is a good chance I will need to take a holiday from my current employer until I get my documents

That is certainly how it should work. That is your employer should stop you working unless and until you are able to produce a German passport or national ID card.

[new2waix]

I hope processing times are not too long or I can some how get a provisional passport.

I've been told 6 to 10 weeks as passports are printed in Berlin.

Thanks for all the replies - I will hopefully confirm my situation soon once I get through to the German Consular...

[Marco 72]

See the new reply in the other thread. It's possible to get a 1-year passport from the German Embassy without the 6-10 week wait.

[new2waix]

According to the German Embassy (in London) they can process provisional passports in approximately a week. Passports are valid for a year. Passports are printed in London.

The website says you need evidence of urgent travel. I am hoping I can show evidence of urgent employment.

Fingers crossed...

[Directive/2004/38/EC]

The website says you need evidence of urgent travel. I am hoping I can show evidence of urgent employment.

You can always plan an urgent one-way trip to the cheapest place that Ryanair flies outside of the UK. Anytime in the next 4 weeks should satisfy them.