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Dagger at the heart of family life - New rules 9-Jul-12

Post by deleted_user » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:36 am

Dear friends,
I write is post because I have been going through the new rules introduced 9 July 2012.

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... am-mig.pdf

It is clear to me, reading the above rules about bringing spouses and children (financial limit) ("The rich husband rule") and the rules regarding elderly dependent ("The grannies unwelcome rule") requiring them to be in vegetative medical state to be brought to the UK to join the family, that the sole intention of these rules is to break up the family of a former migrant who is now settled in the UK either with ILR or British passport/citizenship. They are also a stern warning to any and all on Tier 1 and HSMP and other routes seeking ILR that while they may succeed in living here their larger family will not. Consequentially they have to either return home to be with family or choose to abandon their family and elderly parents. I believe this is a betrayal of trust of a migrant who works here and pays taxes and not claiming any benefits. The UK government is attempting to strike at the heart of the migrant workforce - their family.

A lot of the posts on this forum regarding these rules people are happy that it will not apply to them because their spouse or child is already here. While this is great news for them it is simply a 'divide and conquer' policy. By limiting effects of this ruthless immigration policy to small groups at a time the backlash is avoided and the individual migrants feel alone in their fight (as others are not effected). Who knows soon the rules will be upped and YOUR family will be effected. The target is your family.

I would like you to pay particular attention to the extreme rules that apply to elderly parents. You will not be able to bring your elderly parent here even if they are the sole survivor (other parent is dead) and living alone and vulnerable and pine for your company, unless you are able to fill out a form that is in contradiction with itself. Have a look at the questions you must answer here: http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... vaf4a1.pdf.
Look at the apparent contradictions. Your parent is alone in your country but need continuous care then how is it currently provided and why can it no longer be provided is very hard to justify either way. All these rules apply even if you have ILR and/or British citizenship and pay taxes which contribute toward the care of the elderly in this country. In short your children won't get to live with their grandparents.

How is this justified under Article 8?
The ECHR Article 8 "Right to family life" states that
Article 8(1) Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
Article 8 (2) There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
The government is using the second clause and justifying these changes saying that these changes are in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others and therefore justified.

It means that they consider your family a threat to national security, public safety and the economic well-being of UK or a cause of disorder and crime or in violation of health and morals and the rights and freedoms of others. All this despite the contributions made by migrants over their lives to the UK economy. Does this sound fair to you?

What can be done?
i dont have all the answers but I know for a fact that migrants with ILR/British citizenship will need stand together and fight for equal family rights same as ordinary British citizens. I have raised a e-petition to have the above rule for elderly changed. You can raise e-petitions too for rules that you feel are grossly unfair or write to your local MP. I will post a link to my petition here once it is approved. Meanwhile I would like your comments on above and advice on what we can do to oppose these changes to immigration law.

Moderators - Can this post be stickied please?

Update:
E-Petition for opposition to the elderly dependants rules:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/36798

E-Petition for opposition to the spouse visa rules:
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34835

Update 2 (04/04/2013):
To add salt to the injury the Crime & Courts bill will remove appeal rights from all family visitor visas. In other words family visitors will be treated as general visitors once the bill is passed. There will be no family visitor category. You will not be able to appeal refusal. You will need to apply (and pay fees) again.

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/201 ... ourts.html

Update 3 (08/04/2013):
Most immigration cases are no longer eligible for legal aid from April 2013, including

1. People facing removal or deportation, where no asylum claim is made.
2. People with claims under Article 8 of the 1950 European Convention on Human Rights (right to respect for private and family life)
3. Children in non-asylum immigration proceedings.

http://www.ilpa.org.uk/data/resources/1 ... al-Aid.pdf

Update 4 (29/04/2013):
Crime and Courts bill has been passed and the Home Office is removing the full right of appeal for applicants refused leave to enter the UK as a family visitor.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... oyalassent
Last edited by deleted_user on Fri May 24, 2013 9:29 am, edited 10 times in total.

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Re: Dagger at the heart of family life - New rules 9-Jul-12

Post by kuruvi » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:33 am

EHCR may still be used to obtain a leave without satisfying the Elderly parent rules but the leave may be temporary and need to wait 10 years to get ILR status.

Since DLR no longer granted, it will be FLR and the elderly has to be in God's blessing to get further extension of the initial 2.5 years FLR.

Like HSMP JR, I wish the new family rules also be taken to JR.

For example, if a person married to a non-EEA national and falls below the £18K limit, they have to move to other country.

What if the other country impose the same rule and split the couple permanently.

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Elderly parents

Post by malwajatt » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:07 pm

To dimension,

I totally support ur views , anger and di's.appointment for the tough rules on elderly parents. But I wonder if e..petition to mp will help as the new rules have been brought in after extensive consultation.

However I have read in detail the replies on the consultation from organisations. High percentageof organisations including liberty has stated that new rules will be impractical and inhumane. In addition if the settled immigrants can support their parents in their own house , support them and also get private insurance then why should they not be allowed.

Surely we could seek advice from liberty and try and challenge the inhuman laws

Regards

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Dear All

Post by malwajatt » Sat Aug 11, 2012 9:37 pm

Also read https://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk ... s-june.pdf

Liberty,s briefing to the changes on immigration rules. Clearly makes a scathing attack on the home office and the secretary of state for mis.understanding article 8 and setting such inhumane laws.

Also states there will be more appeals leading to more public expenses.

Regards

deleted_user

Post by deleted_user » Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:41 pm

Hi All,
Thank you for your replies so far and I will look at the excellent links you've posted.
Meanwhile my e-petition has been approved and here is the link for those you want to sign it.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/36798

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petition signed

Post by malwajatt » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:19 pm

Hi Diemnsion,

I have signed the e petition.

hope we get many more .

cheers,

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Post by malwajatt » Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:13 pm

http://www.migrantsrights.org.uk/blog/2 ... e-affected

Check the link, add to ur Facebook page and send an email to shadow immigration minister.

There is an campaign which will start in autumn.

So pls spread the word.

Cheers
Malwajatt

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Post by sarwat » Sat Aug 18, 2012 11:11 pm

i have also signed e petition. How to email shadow minister? We stand together in this fight.

deleted_user

Post by deleted_user » Sat Mar 30, 2013 4:05 pm

There is another petition here with many more supporters:
"The Rt Hon David Cameron MP: UK immigration laws are tearing families apart. Change them now."

http://www.change.org/petitions/theresa ... e-them-now

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Post by plymex » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:08 pm

I signed this petition and posted it on Facebook. Thank you for providing the link.

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Post by kasturi75 » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:11 am

Just signed the petition & uploaded to FB.

Hi dimension7
What is the latest on this? What about preparing a court case as HSMP forum did for unfair HSMP renewal requirements?

We can group together & do something here.

Thanks

deleted_user

Post by deleted_user » Mon Apr 08, 2013 3:51 pm

kasturi75 wrote:Just signed the petition & uploaded to FB.
Thanks.
kasturi75 wrote:What is the latest on this? What about preparing a court case as HSMP forum did for unfair HSMP renewal requirements?

We can group together & do something here.
Perhaps, but I'm not a lawyer. So I am trying to spread as much awareness as I can as most people don't even know the rules (or don't believe it!)

In terms of grouping together there is http://britcits.com/ who collect real life stories of people affected. They are a nice bunch and have a meetup group http://www.meetup.com/BritCits if you are in London. I'm on their mailing list and also on mailing list of MRN http://www.migrantsrights.org.uk/ and also check http://www.jcwi.org.uk/ These are some of the organizations I know who can fight on our side.

Finally you can also write to your MP urging them to oppose these rules or describing your case: http://www.writetothem.com/

HTH

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Am also in the same boat

Post by varre_v » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:02 pm

Hey Guys,
Very interesting discussion. Thanks for opening the e-petition. I have signed it already. I have my mother who is a widow aged 54 yrs back home in India.We are 3 children (me,sister,sister). Me and my first younger sister are settled in UK while my second sister is in US. My mother visited us in the UK on family visit visa three times already and now I am thinking of getting her on elderly dependant visa. But looking at the new rules I am biting my nails if she will get it or not?

PLEASE ADVISE WHETHER TO APPLY FOR ELDERLY DEPENDANT VISA OR A FAMILY VISITOR VISA?

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