HSMP and MBA possible to combine?

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:38 am

Would it be possible to join hsmp as a full-time MBA student?

- a firm offer from London Business School (world top 6th school) for two-years full time course could be attached to the application

- a loan agreement with UK bank to cover both tuition fees and living costs could be attached to the application. The loan would be provided on regular commercial terms with no recourse to public funds

The idea is to enter the programme as a student rather than to enter as a regular applicant and then try to extent hsmp visa as a student. Does hsmp consider studying in the BS being economically active (provided that student's partner will work)?

Thanks for any ideas or may be somebody has personal experience like this.

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 10:50 am

Well never seen such a case but as far as I know it is not possible to obtain an HSMP while studying with LBS. There is an MBA provision recently introduced in the HSMP scheme but that is only for qualified MBA's and if you are not working then it defeats the whole idea of HSMP. How can you claim points for HSMP , do you manage to score 65 points with your current situation i.e. age, work experience, education. If yes u can apply and this offer will definately help but not otherwise...

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:31 pm

Ashekt wrote:Well never seen such a case but as far as I know it is not possible to obtain an HSMP while studying with LBS. There is an MBA provision recently introduced in the HSMP scheme but that is only for qualified MBA's and if you are not working then it defeats the whole idea of HSMP. How can you claim points for HSMP , do you manage to score 65 points with your current situation i.e. age, work experience, education. If yes u can apply and this offer will definately help but not otherwise...

Thanks, Ahsekt.

The calculator shows me 100 points (incl 10 for a partner) and I see I can prove each by a couple of sources. My partner has only 65 herself and some of her points are disputable. So if she apllies herself with me as a partner we would fail (despite my credits) and if hsmp doesn't qualify my studying - I would have to obtain student visa and my partner would not be entitled to work.

That would be fine if the programme considers an offer from world top BS as an advantage, provided that such offer itself is an evidence of a combination of experience, education, knowledge of English and future prospects. Yes, I would not pay taxes in the UK dering first two years, but since I apply to the programme I plan to pay them after graduation and exactly in the UK. I wonder whether such reasons work here.

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:43 pm

I think your case is a li'l different one. If you go for the HSMP visa and not work, you won't get extension, no matter you are studying. I am not too sure if the spouse working right when one is on a study visa. I though the other way round and if that is so u can come and stay here.
I know you must be able to secure a good job once u have done your MBA but then that cannot be used as a trigger for HSMP.
There are 2 options available to you:
(1) Either take a chance and apply for your wife's HSMP visa
(2) Inquire properly about the spouse working rights on the student visa as I don't agree with waht you have said.

And you also needs to consider that even if your wife gets through HSMP, will she be able to secure proper job here...no matter late...that will not only help you financially but also will be required during the extension...

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:33 pm

Thanks again.

Good, I just supposed that a student's partner is a visitor only and cannot work, so I'll check. But in this case we would postpone obtaining ILR for two years.

If we decide she apply with me as a partner, a job offer from a UK conpany would become the best evidence for her (not a great problem in such a case, because the need for a work permit is the greatest competitive disadvantage).

But the idea is still to investigate whether I can apply as a student in this certain case: the partner works, I study and start working from the third year of stay under hsmp.

And as I can see the partner gets an extention alongside with a main applicant despite partner's own position at the end of each year, or it's not the case?

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:46 pm

Sorry but I am not able to understand what you are saying...
In my opinion you should not at all go for an HSMP at this time and just go for the student visa which will allow your wife to work and u pursue with your studies. Upon completion of youe studies you would be eligible for the HSMP visa straighaway through the new 'MBA Provision' in HSMP scheme. You straight away get 65 points if you are MBA from any of the 50 institutes listed by Home Office and I m sure LBS will be one of them.
After completing your MBA, you will get a good job offer and then there will be no problem in extension as well...
At this point you should not go for HSMP unsless you get it for your wife and go for it only when u r sure and consider the points i have said above.

Why do u need to bother if u can get it after 2 years for sure...
Hope I m clear...

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:55 pm

You're clear, Ashekt, thanks, where exactly you couldn't understand me?

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:40 am

Well I didn't understood what did you mean when you said the follwing:

"If we decide she apply with me as a partner, a job offer from a UK conpany would become the best evidence for her (not a great problem in such a case, because the need for a work permit is the greatest competitive disadvantage)"

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:34 am

I meant that if she applies as a regular participant with me as her partner she would need some solid addition to her disputable 65 points. Job offer for her from a UK company would serve as such an addition. In her case it would not be a great problem to get an offer without a need for a work permit.

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:03 pm

How can you say so...i mean if you say that she will get the job offer while being in Inida then nothing esle like that...she can easily get the approval under HSMP but i don't think that she can take the plea that you will be doing your MBA from LBS.

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:16 pm

We're not in India )

This is an interesting point. She gets an approval (so do I as a partner) and she starts working and I - studying. Then after one year she will apply for extention of her hsmp visa and what? She's working and is economically active, so would likely get an extention. I don't know what are partners expected to do, must they work too and if a partner doesn't work - he or she would not get an extention (separately from working partner)? Or if a main programme participant keeps working and fulfils all other requirements his (her) partner can stay home, study, whatever?

ash · Post by **ash** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:32 pm

Your wife can work full time on a student visa...

hope this helps

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:47 pm

Ash, you mean that if I study and have a student visa she can work full time being a student's partner?

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 1:48 pm

Good that one probs of your's is over...i mean your wife can work full time and now coming to the other concern...
See if your wife is working and is earning enough to sustain both of you in UK, there is no problem. Even if you are not working this will not be a major problem, the extesnion will be given to both of you and not one and also that I have heard that nowadays the initial HSMP period is 2 years so by the time 2 years end you would have done your MBA so in any case you will also be eligible for an HSMP and God forbid even if there is some probs in your case you can make a fresh application and can easily get an HSMP...
i don't think there is any probs with your spouse not working even if you have claimed points for him/ her under the partner's acheivements section.

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:41 pm

That is what immigration rules say...

Requirements for leave to enter or remain as the spouse or civil partner of a student or prospective student:

76. The requirements to be met by a person seeking leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom as the spouse or civil partner of a student or a prospective student are that:
...(vi) the applicant intends to leave the United Kingdom at the end of any period of leave granted to him

Is this condition just a formal one? As far as I know prospective students are really asked whether they intend to leave UK after their studying.

77. A person seeking leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom as the spouse or civil partner of a student or a prospective student may be admitted or allowed to remain for a period not in excess of that granted to the student or prospective student provided the Immigration Officer or, in the case of an application for limited leave to remain, the Secretary of State is satisfied that each of the requirements of paragraph 76 is met. Employment may be permitted where the period of leave granted to the student or prospective student is, or was, 12 months or more.

What should this "may be permitted" mean?

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:06 pm

It means yes and i just don't think of any situation where your wife can have probs entering UK and have a job...she might not get a permanent job but a temp opportunity is alsways available...
And yes ofcourse if you come on the Student Visa, both you and your wife can stay till the time you are studying...
Tell me one thing....i m not too sure which option you are willing to go for...don't confuse urself and decide if u want to come on a student visa and convert to HSMP after MBA or go for ur wife's HSMP visa and then u can study....

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:12 pm

Ashekt,
we have exactly that two options you mentioned. the only difference between them is the term of obtaining ILR and passport...

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:23 pm

which Passport?

And I don't think you should worry more about ILR, it's the job and your settlement which matters and not if you obtain the ILR 2 years early or later....If you apply for ur wife's HSMP you will get it a couple of years early but that's just my personal opinion that till the time you are well settled, it hardly makes a difference...

Burly_Fireman · Post by **Burly_Fireman** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:11 pm

Aren't hsmp participants entitled to obtain british passports in five years?

Ashekt · Post by **Ashekt** » Thu Jul 20, 2006 7:07 pm

Yes they certainly do....

coyote · Post by **coyote** » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:03 pm

we have exactly that two options you mentioned. the only difference between them is the term of obtaining ILR and passport...

From what I understood from the proposals which could get partially implemented from next year, I believe high economic activity is to be rewarded with an accelerated ILR clock. Something like a 2 year high performance Tier 1 as opposed to a 5 year moderate performance at Tier 1 or 2.

Assuming that this is the case, you may be able to do the LSB MBA for 2 years as a student and move into HSMP and get the ILR in the next 2 years. Obviously an LSB alumnus would be able to perform at the highest expected levels of any economic yardstick. While this is speculative, I believe you can get your ILR in 4 years (2yr student + 2yr Tier 1) from now on and be naturalised in the following year.

Can someone else confirm this?

pantaiema · Post by **pantaiema** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:18 pm

Burly_Fireman
I believe in your case it is better for you to apply students VISA rather then HSMP. With students VISA your wife as dependant of you could work full time.

I know the disadvantage is that your clock for ILR have not started ticking yet. But it is better rather then you take the risk that you might be rejected for HSMP extension. If you are lucky to get extension there is high probability that they only give you partial extension instead of full extension. As you know that the decision for exetension are determined by you economic activities, paying tax NI number.

Or if you could manage it, you could study while working as well. Quite reasonbale students could do that.

Pantaiema

Burly_Fireman wrote:Would it be possible to join hsmp as a full-time MBA student?

- a firm offer from London Business School (world top 6th school) for two-years full time course could be attached to the application

- a loan agreement with UK bank to cover both tuition fees and living costs could be attached to the application. The loan would be provided on regular commercial terms with no recourse to public funds

The idea is to enter the programme as a student rather than to enter as a regular applicant and then try to extent hsmp visa as a student. Does hsmp consider studying in the BS being economically active (provided that student's partner will work)?

Thanks for any ideas or may be somebody has personal experience like this.

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