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Citizenship application - timeline & specific questions

Post by sgtpepper » Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:16 pm

Hello everyone,

I will soon apply for British Citizenship through the 5-year (Tier 2) + 1-year ILR route.

I have some specific questions about timelines and what happens after. I have looked through the timeline threads, and haven't found the answers to my questions. But, apologies if I missed something.
  1. I will apply online. I know I should have been in the UK exactly 5 years before the date of my application. Is this the date I submit my application online? Or is it the date of my biometrics appointment?
  2. I remember seeing somewhere about £500 priority service for citizenship application. But I can't find that option now. Am I wrong?
  3. In the "Documents" section of the application I see this "most recent tax year account statement and corresponding HMRC tax return as proof of self-employment". But I started my self-employment in April 2024, so I haven't filed any tax returns for this year. Can I submit my tax returns for the year 2023-24? I was employed (not self-employed) then.
  4. What should I do if I move houses while my application is pending?
  5. Travel after the citizenship application:
    1. Can I travel using my BRP after submitting my citizenship application, while it is still pending?
    2. Can I travel using my BRP after citizenship is approved, but before the citizenship ceremony?
    3. Can I travel using my BRP after the citizenship ceremony, but before applying for the passport?
Thank you! :)

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Re: Citizenship application - timeline & specific questions

Post by CR001 » Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:32 pm

1. The date of application is the date you submit and pay online and NOT your biometrics appointment.

2. There is NO fast track service for citizenship and never has been, so whatever you "saw" is incorrect if not from an official ukvi source.

3. Will leave others to advise.

4. You notify UKVI. Approvals come via email. Difficult to change council for ceremony if you move far.

5a. Yes
5b. Yes.
5c. No, your BRP and ILR becomes invalid once you become British.
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Re: Citizenship application - timeline & specific questions

Post by contorted_svy » Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:40 pm

Regarding self employment. Tick the self employed box and explain in a cover letter that you have started your self employment in this tax year therefore can't submit a return yet. Supply your URN so they can double check their records.
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Re: Citizenship application - timeline & specific questions

Post by sgtpepper » Mon Nov 04, 2024 1:59 pm

Thank you very much @CR001 and @contorted_svy. You have answered all of my questions.

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Re: Citizenship application - timeline & specific questions

Post by contorted_svy » Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:45 pm

be aware tht physical BRPs are expiring soon, so make sure you transition to an evisa. the above considerations about travel still apply.
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5 years ago in the UK is same as my travel date

Post by sgtpepper » Fri Dec 06, 2024 12:24 pm

Hello,

I will be submitting my citizenship application soon. I have a question on the rule of "physically present in the UK exactly 5 years before the Home Office receives your application"

I meet the other eligibility criteria of 450 days absence, 90 days absence etc.

Let's say I'm submitting my application online on 6 December 2024.
On 6 December 2019, I travelled from the UK to India.

Will this be an issue? I know that for absences the date of travel doesn't count.

If so, what will likely happen?
  1. My application gets rejected outright
  2. My application gets processed at a later date when I meet the qualifying criteria
  3. Something else

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Re: 5 years ago in the UK is same as my travel date

Post by contorted_svy » Fri Dec 06, 2024 1:28 pm

How long was that trip?

Note that according to the guidance https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... bookmark10
Requirement to have been in the UK on the first day of the qualifying period
If you are applying under section 6(1), you must have been in the UK exactly 5 years before your application was received. For example, if your application is received on 05/01/2022 you should have been physically present in the UK on 06/01/2017.

If you are applying under section 6(2), as the spouse or civil partner of a British citizen, you must have been in the UK exactly 3 years before your application was received. For example, if your application is received on 05/05/2021, you should have been physically present in the UK on 06/05/2018.

If you cannot meet this requirement, your application is likely to be refused. If you believe there were exceptional circumstances which prevented you from being in the UK on the first day of the qualifying period, please provide details when you apply.

We recognise that occasionally someone might apply without realising that they were not in the UK at the start of the qualifying period. If you did not meet the requirement when you applied, we may see if there is another, later date we can use to allow you to meet the requirement and will consider your application on, or after, that date.

However, please be aware the requirements remain unchanged, and this does not guarantee that the application will be successful if an alternative date cannot be found. It may also result in delays to your application until you can meet the statutory requirements.
You must pay the full fee that is in force on any date we use.

You are strongly recommended to make sure you meet the requirement before applying.
So in your example you would need to have been physically present on the 7 Dec 2019, not the 6.

They state they may look for a later date, so this is not a guarantee.


See the caseworker guidance https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... bookmark22
Presence in the UK at the start of the qualifying period
There are certain people who do not need to have been in the UK at the start of the 5-year qualifying period. These are:

applicants who are applying only on the grounds of Crown service

spouses or civil partners of British citizens in Crown or designated service overseas

applicants who are technically absent from the UK

All other applicants must have been physically present in the UK on the first day of the qualifying period. There is discretion to waive this requirement (see section on discretion).

In the UK at the start of the qualifying period
In most cases, we expect applicants to have been in the UK on day 1 of the qualifying period as this means they have completed the full 5 (or 3) years in the UK as required. However, there is discretion to waive this requirement in special circumstances.

To identify the start of the qualifying period you use the day after the application date minus the length of the qualifying period. For example in an application under section 6(1) made on 1 September 2022, the applicant must have been legally in the UK on 2 September 2017.

Discretion over an applicant’s presence in the UK at the start of the qualifying period in exceptional cases
There may be special reasons, such as those relating to the applicant’s health, that prevented them from being in the UK at the start of the qualifying period. The Nationality and Borders Act 2022 introduced the power to treat the applicant as having fulfilled this requirement in the special circumstances of a particular case even though they were not in the UK at the beginning of the residential period.

Discretion to treat the requirement to have been in the UK on the first day of the residential qualifying period as fulfilled should normally be exercised if one or more of the following is met:

the applicant was prevented from being in the UK because they had been removed from the UK, and the decision to remove them was later overturned

the applicant was incorrectly prevented from resuming permanent residence in the UK following an absence

the applicant is normally resident in the UK but there were exceptional reasons why they could not return from abroad at that time, such as illness, or travel restrictions due to a pandemic

the applicant is a current or former member of the armed forces (see the section on armed forces applicants)

If you propose to exercise discretion, you should see appropriate evidence demonstrating why the applicant was unable to be present at the start of the qualifying period. For example, if this is based on health grounds, you should see relevant medical evidence.

Cases where the requirement can be met by the date of consideration
Applicants are expected to meet this requirement, but there may be cases where the person has inadvertently applied on a date when they did not. The application form will ask applicants to agree that the Home Office use a different date as the date of application, if this would work to their advantage.

If there has been a fee change between the original application date and the date that they can now meet the requirement (to have been in the UK at the start of the qualifying period), they must pay the fee in force at the time of the new application date.

Changing the application date in this way may be appropriate for applicants who did not meet the requirement to have been in the UK at the start of the qualifying period but meet the requirement by the time you consider their application. When you consider the application, you must assess whether the person would meet this requirement (and the other residence requirements) on either the date you are considering the application, or a date between their original application and consideration. If a person does not meet the requirements on the date of consideration, but will do so within the next two months, it may be appropriate to put the application on hold. If the person will not meet the requirement for some time, you must consider whether there are exceptional grounds to exercise discretion (see section on discretion).



The best way to be safe on this is to wait for a date when you were not travelling or already abroad on the correct date 5 years prior.
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Re: 5 years ago in the UK is same as my travel date

Post by sgtpepper » Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:41 pm

Thank you for your advice.

The trip was almost 1 month (28 days).

Based on the caseworker guidance, they could use discretion and consider the application at a later date. But, just to be safe I'll wait for a later date and submit my application then.

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