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Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by safusp » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:35 am

Hi All,

I hope some of you experts over here can review my case, what I am planning to do next and provide some guidance. This is regarding rejected UK tourist visa applications for my mother and father.

Present Situation: Standard tourist visa applications are rejected for my mother & father.

Immigration status & travel history of the applicants: They both are Indian citizens with low/medium overseas travel records. This is their 2nd UK visitor visa application. The earlier one was successful and they stayed in UK for just above 4 months. The new application was made soon after they returned to India from the earlier UK visit. Also they presently have a valid USA visitor visa and they visited USA in 2014, stayed in USA about 4 months.

Who is paying for the trip (sponsor): Me (i.e., son). I had supplied tons of documents to demonstrate my capability to pay. This included last 6 months of bank statements (about £18,000 minimum balance maintained at all times), 6 months of payslips, letter from the employer confirming my job, title, pay, etc, my last promotion / salary change letter reconfirming my salary, rental agreement in Liverpool. Council tax statement, copies of my passport, BRP, UK Driving License, last year's P60, my birth certificate, invitation letter clearly stating that I'll be responsible for all their expenses. The officer has not mentioned anything negative nor have they indicated that they are not satisfied with the sponsor's ability to pay.

Reason for rejection as stated in the rejection letter: The officer has stated 3 reasons for rejecting the visa application.

1. During their previous UK visitor visa application, it was stated that they would be visiting UK for about 2 months. However they stayed about 4 months during their visit to the UK. We did not explain why they stayed longer than what they stated within their application. The officer is not assured that public funds were not used during those 4 months.

2. Even though we had supplied a statement of account from the state treasury showing monthly recurring pension for my father, the amount is only about 15000 INR/month and the officer stated they are not happy with his financial security. Similarly my mother does not have much savings in her name, also we had not furnished any bank statement / financial documents for mother. So overall the office is not satisfied with the financial status of mother either.

3. We had stated within the application (and also given in the format of a notarized affidavit) that they have 2 kids, 5 grand kids, sisters, etc in India and also fully own the house - hence they will return to India by end of the legal stay issued by the UK authority. Looks like this is not sufficient and the officer stated that strong social & family ties are not demonstrated, which will take them back to India at the end of their stay in UK.

The visa application was rejected around 2nd week of December 2018. We are planning to re-apply.

My interpretation of the rejections and what went wrong?

1. Even though the earlier visa was valid for 6 months and hence my parents had the right to stay 4 months in UK, it was well beyond what was declared in the original visa application form. We could have made a proactive statement around this, during the second visa application. Any views on this, please? In the application form, they simply asked about previous UK visits. There was no section to declare such information. Now that the visa application is denied, I'm planning to write a detailed letter to the entry clearance officer and attach that with the next application, where I'll address this point. I'm planning to include the below points in my response:
  • a) Apologise for not providing this information along with the last visa application.
    b) The original plan was stay in UK for 2 months (July & Aug) and hence the original declaration in the visa application was accurate.
    c) Once they arrived in UK, they loved the British culture and particularly the life in Liverpool. So we decided to visit a lot more places in UK than what we originally planned and consequently did a lot more shopping than originally planned. Eg: we visited Northern Ireland, Wales, London, Lake District, etc. We have the flight tickets, etc as evidence for the Northern Ireland trip. I'm planning to furnish some photographs, etc. Also shopped in majority of the shopping malls in and around liverpool (such as Trafford centre in Manchester, Cheshire Oaks designer outlet, Liverpool highstreet, Liverpool shopping park, etc). I can also give a summarised figure of the money they spent shopping in UK (must be at a minimum of £1500). All the expenses are charged on my credit card. So should be able to pull up the statements if required.
    d) Re-iterate that during the 4 months of stay, they never availed any public funds (such as NHS, etc).I had obtained private health insurance. I can give copies of the insurance coverage document (is this a god idea).
    e) I must have spent about £5000 overall for the trip, including all expenses. I can show evidences from credit card statements. Is this helpful?
2. There is a question in the visa application "How much will you spend for this trip" to which I answered £2000. Then there is subsequent question "Will someone else pay" and "How much" to which I answered that the applicant's son (i.e., myself) will be paying the entire £2000. Now I may have got this wrong. I did not mean to say that my mother will be paying £2000 and then I will pay another £2000. From the rejection reason, looks like the officer was trying to find out if my mother has the capacity to pay £2000 (which she does not - based on the submitted documents). Should I have mentioned '£0' for the first question ("How much will you spend for this trip"). Please clarify on this point. I feel this is important and may have misled the agent that my parents are also paying for part of the trip. This may explain why they stated that my father has very little income from the pension and they are not happy with their financial ability.

3. We had given notarised affidavit stating my father owns the land and house, which has a fair value of INR 1 Crore at the moment. Also it stated my mother has gold ornaments, etc. Looks like the officer has not given any importance for this. Does anyone have a piece of advise here? Do they usually not value the affidavit? I know USA authorities take the affidavit seriously and I had give I-134 affidavit earlier when sponsoring my parents' USA tourist visa. Probably I should make the affidavit a bit stronger, giving firmer re-assurance? Does anyone have suggestion or template for a better affidavit?

4. With regards to the family and social ties, again I think I went a bit easy. For the USA visa, I had shown family photos, photos of the house, etc. I'll include all such information when we re-apply. Makes sense?

5. Finally, the land & house are solely owned by my father. Does it make sense to change the ownership to be joint between my father and mother, so they both can declare that they have approximately 500,000 INR worth property share? Any suggestion on this would be welcome. I'd like to know how others tackled this problem.

Really appreciate any comments and feedback. I really need to take time and submit a compelling application, so it will be approved.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by marcnath » Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:10 am

It is ridiculous and it appears you just drew an inexperienced or overcautious CW.

Was a right for review/appeal ?

If not, yes, a second application should err on the side of caution and have all of the points you addressed.

Stress that they had a visa valid for 6 months and the stay was well within the conditions of the visa.
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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by safusp » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:05 pm

Thanks for the reply. The rejection letter states there is no right for appeal, only a fresh application is allowed.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by kishor_mit » Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:34 am

Hi safusp,
I hope you had a positive outcome on your 2nd visitor visa application. I am in your shoes now! My brother in law, sister and their two kids' visa applications have been rejected with the same above reasons. No strong ties shown, less monthly income, long visa period on the visit duration (4months), accounts inflated with deposit proofs... I really appreciate if you could kindly share your 2nd application process and the steps taken to get the visa approval? Sincerely looking forward to hearing from you. Thank you.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by safusp » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:27 pm

Hi, I'm yet to re-apply. Most likely will submit the application next week and shall update you the outcome once I know it. Really hope that they won't find another crazy reason this time around.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by jasonowen » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:09 pm

I dont no if i have missed anything here, but if your parents are on a standard visitors visa it only last 6 months, and in that 6 month period you can only spend 90 days on a 180 day visa (6 months), your parents spent 4 months, equivalent to 120 days, they OVERSTAYED. The Government website does not make this clear, they lay out the rules based on 1 year not 6 month visas, you can stay 180 days over a one year period, not 6 months. because you had a 6 month visa dose not mean you can stay 6 months, you can only stay 90 days.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by CR001 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:24 pm

jasonowen wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:09 pm
I dont no if i have missed anything here, but if your parents are on a standard visitors visa it only last 6 months, and in that 6 month period you can only spend 90 days on a 180 day visa (6 months), your parents spent 4 months, equivalent to 120 days, they OVERSTAYED. The Government website does not make this clear, they lay out the rules based on 1 year not 6 month visas, you can stay 180 days over a one year period, not 6 months. because you had a 6 month visa dose not mean you can stay 6 months, you can only stay 90 days.
Nonsense. Where does it state you can only stay for 90 days with a 6 month validity visit visa???
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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by safusp » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:52 pm

Hello jasonowen - you seem to have incorrect information. What you are stating is probably true for Shengen visa, but not true for UK visa.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by jasonowen » Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:41 am

I do apologize i was given duff information bye an immigration lawyer.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by Casa » Sun Mar 24, 2019 3:28 pm

jasonowen wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 8:41 am
I do apologize i was given duff information bye an immigration lawyer.
In which case, probably a duff immigration lawyer. :idea: :wink:
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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by safusp » Mon May 20, 2019 10:12 pm

Happy to inform that after the re-submission, we received the visa :0

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by KA941 » Mon May 20, 2019 10:37 pm

safusp wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 10:12 pm
Happy to inform that after the re-submission, we received the visa :0
Many congrats to you and your family. Having parents visiting really is a blessing.
Unfortunately my parents visa was rejected today, yet to know the exact reasons, but suspicion is social ties as financially they are ok (I think).
Would you be kind to share what additional information you provided to elaborate on social ties and any other supporting documents.
Trust me your information will be very much appreciated
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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by safusp » Mon May 20, 2019 11:15 pm

Hi there,

In order to establish strong social ties, I supplied the below documents. Hope this information is useful:

1. Valuation certificate issued by authorised authority in India, confirming the total value of the properties owned by the applicants.
2. Notarised copy of the English translation of Land registration (deed) agreement.
3. Land ownership certificate issued by Tehsildar.
4. Building ownership certificate issued by Municipality administration.
5. Bank statements of all applicants.
6. A letter from the state treasury confirming that my father receives a monthly pension.
7. ‘Family Trees’ of both the applicants. There are many options available in Internet, I used www.familyecho.com.
8. Photographs of our close family members, captured at various events (such as weddings) to demonstrate and evidence the close family ties that we have back home.

Also I strongly suggest you include a detailed covering letter, focusing on the points that are stated in the rejection letter. Do tailor your supporting documents in-line with the reasons stated within the rejection letter.

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by KA941 » Mon May 20, 2019 11:39 pm

safusp wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 11:15 pm
Hi there,

In order to establish strong social ties, I supplied the below documents. Hope this information is useful:

1. Valuation certificate issued by authorised authority in India, confirming the total value of the properties owned by the applicants.
2. Notarised copy of the English translation of Land registration (deed) agreement.
3. Land ownership certificate issued by Tehsildar.
4. Building ownership certificate issued by Municipality administration.
5. Bank statements of all applicants.
6. A letter from the state treasury confirming that my father receives a monthly pension.
7. ‘Family Trees’ of both the applicants. There are many options available in Internet, I used www.familyecho.com.
8. Photographs of our close family members, captured at various events (such as weddings) to demonstrate and evidence the close family ties that we have back home.

Also I strongly suggest you include a detailed covering letter, focusing on the points that are stated in the rejection letter. Do tailor your supporting documents in-line with the reasons stated within the rejection letter.
Really appreciate your response

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by Scorpio758 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:59 pm

safusp wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 10:12 pm
Happy to inform that after the re-submission, we received the visa :0
Can you please share you cover letter as im in the same situation as you. What did you fill in for the question about spending total cost on trip is £1000, then theres another subsequent question who else is paying for the trip. I put £1000. Can you please clarify this point?

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Re: Re-Applying for UK Standard Visitor Visa after a Rejection

Post by Scorpio758 » Thu Nov 21, 2019 11:05 pm

safusp wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:05 pm
Thanks for the reply. The rejection letter states there is no right for appeal, only a fresh application is allowed.
Can you plz clarify this point, what did you mention in the question where they ask how much money do you personally plan to spend? In first application, i put £1000 and then second question who is paying for the trip, i put my fathers details and again put £1000. ECO might have thought its £2000 spending in total but reality is the total trip cost is £1000 only. I am planning to make a second application. So is it okay if I put £1 in the new application where they ask how much money do you personally plan to spend? What justification did you give in your cover letter? I would appreciate your response. Thanks

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