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Post by navbulls » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:36 pm

SjD624 wrote:
Chavy wrote:
I am assuming all cases are reviewed it's automatic, I've been reading in some cases it can take a considerable time to review a case.

I need some clarification or when you should lodge an appeal. 28 days after the refusal date printed on your refusal notice. Or 28 days after you were informed of the decision (served with the decision).
Yes, as far is my understanding and recent research, all cases are reviewed. Please view these links for further information on the due process and processing time guides, thanks again to batleyKhan for these:


http://www.ait.gov.uk/Documents/Appeals ... ftheUK.pdf

http://www.ait.gov.uk/Documents/Appeals ... nTheUK.pdf

There is similar info for non-settlement cases as well. Furthermore you can call the AIT office and ask them for details.

If you are looking to appeal contacting the AIS may also be of some use :
http://www.iasuk.org/home.aspx

As for when to lodge your appeal, you should do this WITHIN 28 days from the date when you received the refusal notice. It's not after 28 days but rather before the 28 days go by. You can confirm this with others as well but I'm pretty sure it's true.

I hope this helps. May Allah help and guide us all.
Guys, Please be informed that not all cases are reviewed... spoke to BHC and was confirmed that due to large number of application the cases are not reviewed they are just sent back to AIT for hearing.

I know most of us feel it would be reviewed as per the AIT's procedure but actually story is bit different.

Still would recommend you send appeal to BHC as it would save you about 6 weeks...
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Post by Chavy » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:38 pm

So Navbulls which cases meet the review criteria? Do you have to explicitly state you would like the case to be reviewed? Provide us with an explanation to substantiate your claims, you cant leave us in limbo with such a sweeping statement.

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Post by navbulls » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:44 pm

Chavy wrote:So which cases meet the review criteria? Do you have to explicit state you would like the case to be reviewed? Provide us with an explanation to substantiate the claims, you cant leave us in limbo with such a sweeping statement.
Well you dont have any criteria. The normal procedure is that case should be reviewed once they recieve the appeal, but this procedure is hardly followed ( As per BHC ). Mostly once AIT asks BHC to prepare bundle they have to review it... but what I have heard, these days they are not reviewing.
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Post by batleykhan » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:52 pm

Guys, Please be informed that not all cases are reviewed... spoke to BHC and was confirmed that due to large number of application the cases are not reviewed they are just sent back to AIT for hearing.
I disagree slightly with this comment. (Sorry Nav)

The links that are attached above are HO guidelines and procedures.

If the BHC do not comply with their guidelines or procedure every appeal case at the AIT will be thrown out.

The ECM job is to review and reconsider all decisions on receipt of an appeal notice. It doesnt take more than probally 10 minutes to make his mind up to either issue visa or still refuse.

If he refuses the BHC will inform AIT of this. AIT will then try and sort out a date for hearing.

The ECO/ECM is given about 4 months to send bundle of papers to AIT in time for hearing ( sometimes the incompetent buggers wont even do this and tHE Adjudicator has no alternative but to authorise issue of visa... to teh annoyance of teh applicant whose time has just been wasted for no apparent reasons).

When you send teh appeal notice and have given your reasons, you would normally ask the matter to be reviewed.

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Post by navbulls » Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:12 pm

batleykhan wrote:
Guys, Please be informed that not all cases are reviewed... spoke to BHC and was confirmed that due to large number of application the cases are not reviewed they are just sent back to AIT for hearing.
I disagree slightly with this comment. (Sorry Nav)

The links that are attached above are HO guidelines and procedures.

If the BHC do not comply with their guidelines or procedure every appeal case at the AIT will be thrown out.

The ECM job is to review and reconsider all decisions on receipt of an appeal notice. It doesnt take more than probally 10 minutes to make his mind up to either issue visa or still refuse.

If he refuses the BHC will inform AIT of this. AIT will then try and sort out a date for hearing.

The ECO/ECM is given about 4 months to send bundle of papers to AIT in time for hearing ( sometimes the incompetent buggers wont even do this and tHE Adjudicator has no alternative but to authorise issue of visa... to teh annoyance of teh applicant whose time has just been wasted for no apparent reasons).

When you send teh appeal notice and have given your reasons, you would normally ask the matter to be reviewed.
Aslaam O'alaikum Khan Uncle,

I completely agree and respect what you have said in the above quote, but trust me on this as I have been told that BHC has stopped reviewing "Personal Experience". Would be updating you on this shortly!


Regards

Nav
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Post by SjD624 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:01 pm

navbulls wrote:
Aslaam O'alaikum Khan Uncle,

I completely agree and respect what you have said in the above quote, but trust me on this as I have been told that BHC has stopped reviewing "Personal Experience". Would be updating you on this shortly!


Regards

Nav
Aoa,

Nav, I agree with you to some extent. I have a reliable source in the BHC Islamabad and when I asked them to look into my case they confirmed that my case is waiting review. He had earlier informed me that though all cases are supposed to be reviewed sometimes the review is just a formality.
So batleyKhan is absolutely correct about what the correct procedure is but no one can say if it is followed in practice or just in word.

May Allah help and guide us all.

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Post by R1z » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:00 pm

Salaam to all

Thought I'd let you know the reasons for refusal:

There is insufficient evidence of our relationship (which took place june 08 ) like photos of before marriage and after marriage, letters and any forms of contact since 08.

I'm in receipt of public funds: It took me 6months to find a job therefore I was on Jobseekers allowance.I provided 6months bank statement hence the JSA printed on my previous bank statement; this bank statement also showed less than 200 in my account because I was still seeking employment.

The first objection I can understand but there were wedding photos, letters and Eid/miss you cards, phone cards provided.

I had employment letter, an official Employment Contract (from the Council as I work at a school) wage slips, current bank statement with balance of over 1700. They'v overlooked these!

I had school holidays so have been to pakistan to see my husband over the summer holidays, with the grace of Allah - this is evidence that we are still in contact.


Batley Khan Sir CAN YOU HELP PLS?

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Post by 2036789 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:33 pm

I dont get why they said your on public funds when you had a job, please answer for how many months of the 6 month bank statement that you provided was it showing that you had JSA coming in, and secondly did your bank statemnet show that employers were putting money into your account or were you getting cash in hand
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Post by batleykhan » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:35 pm

Riz

I will have a go, however I need more info, espicially about your personal cicumstances leading to the refusal of your hubby's visa.

You still havent answered my previous queury where I asked you to give us the exact and full reasons as per the refusal notice, not like brief comments above.

If you want you can pm me if you dont want to reveal them here on the forum

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Post by R1z » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:02 pm

MM

Thanx

Yes my previous bank statemnt showed my JSA coming in (big mistake) but my recent bank statement showed receiving payment from the council on a monthly basis

so not sure how they disregarded this and the employment letters and wage slips!


Inshallah, will pray for all us sisters and brothers - this forum should give people a guide to what caution should be taken when applying for spouse visas.

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Post by R1z » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:07 pm

sorry

had JSA coming in NOV/DEC 08 and started job in JAN 09 (this was shown on bank statement )

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Post by Layla » Fri Oct 02, 2009 5:37 am

Salam to all,

after 3 monthes of waiting there is some progress in proccessing our application. The online status changed from "Forwarded to Islamabad OC on" to "Your application is ready for collection;..."

Date of apply: 23/06/2009
Place of apply: Islamabad
Online status change: 02/10/2009
Total days: 101
Working days: 66 plus minus 1

May you all hear good news soon ameen

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Post by sahdi » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:11 am

hi layla

good luck, let us know the outcome,

I feel sooooooo depressed, my hubby applied 1 day before you, i wish we had some progress too.....i think my whole day will be spent crying today, i cant take it anymore. :(

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Post by bazzy_1 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:47 am

Hi Batley Khan,

Could you please give me some advice.
My wife's TB test is now coming to expiry date. She got the test done just after we got married in April, but eventually applied for the visa at the end of June. We have been waiting for about 14 weeks now without any reply.

I would like to know if BHC will ask her to renew the TB test before inshallah issuing a visa?

Alternativly if they do issue the visa will she need to renew the TB test before travelling to the UK?

Thanks
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Post by 2036789 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:00 am

Layla pls let us know the outcome, inshallah ull get i applied 4juner still waiting after 17 weeks
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Post by 2036789 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:02 am

my wife applied that is
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Post by batleykhan » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:15 am

Hi Batley Khan,

Could you please give me some advice.
My wife's TB test is now coming to expiry date. She got the test done just after we got married in April, but eventually applied for the visa at the end of June. We have been waiting for about 14 weeks now without any reply.

I would like to know if BHC will ask her to renew the TB test before inshallah issuing a visa?

Alternativly if they do issue the visa will she need to renew the TB test before travelling to the UK?

Thanks
Yes it is advisable to get it renewed straightaway, because they will not stamp your wifes visa in her passport unless she shows a valid TB certificate. She will also need to show it on arrival at a UK airport

These TB certificates are valid only for 6 months. Taking into consideration the length of time it now takes to process an application, quite a few peoples certificates will have expired by the time they are granted their visa. ( another unneccesary expense paid by the poor applicant)

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Post by bazzy_1 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:41 am

batleykhan wrote:
Hi Batley Khan,

Could you please give me some advice.
My wife's TB test is now coming to expiry date. She got the test done just after we got married in April, but eventually applied for the visa at the end of June. We have been waiting for about 14 weeks now without any reply.

I would like to know if BHC will ask her to renew the TB test before inshallah issuing a visa?

Alternativly if they do issue the visa will she need to renew the TB test before travelling to the UK?

Thanks
Yes it is advisable to get it renewed straightaway, because they will not stamp your wifes visa in her passport unless she shows a valid TB certificate. She will also need to show it on arrival at a UK airport

These TB certificates are valid only for 6 months. Taking into consideration the length of time it now takes to process an application, quite a few peoples certificates will have expired by the time they are granted their visa. ( another unneccesary expense paid by the poor applicant)
Hi Batley Khan,

I understand she will need her passport to renew the TB test. So will the best course of action be to wait until they contact her about it?

If we are lucky that they have made the decision already then i will get her to renew the certificate before she comes to the UK.

Also is anyone else on this forum in the same situation or has anyone had there visa after the TB test has expired?
Regards,

Baz

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Post by batleykhan » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:04 am

I understand she will need her passport to renew the TB test. So will the best course of action be to wait until they contact her about it?
You have to to do one sooner or later, (if it expires) so why not do it sooner, so its ready when they ask for it, otherwise you might have to wait 2/3 weeks to get an appointment to have another one done.

You know how people get excited when they recieve some good news, you dont want to wait a minute longer....but you might have to if you dont have a valid certificate ready there.

I am not sure they want to see passport second time around, providing you show them your old certificate

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Post by bazzy_1 » Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:17 am

batleykhan wrote:
I understand she will need her passport to renew the TB test. So will the best course of action be to wait until they contact her about it?
You have to to do one sooner or later, (if it expires) so why not do it sooner, so its ready when they ask for it, otherwise you might have to wait 2/3 weeks to get an appointment to have another one done.

You know how people get excited when they recieve some good news, you dont want to wait a minute longer....but you might have to if you dont have a valid certificate ready there.

I am not sure they want to see passport second time around, providing you show them your old certificate
Thanks Batley Khan,

I think ill get my wife to call the IOM clinic and see if she can book an appointment, also explain at the time that she does not have her passport or the original TB test as they have been submitted to BHC for a settlement visa.

Hopfully she can get the appointment booked and have the TB test without the original docs.
Regards,

Baz

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