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I am 100 percent agree with Mall they are very badly treating with certain countries Specially India, Pakistan Bangladesh i am also from india i never trust on them whenever sent email they always lies
Hi guys!!2pac4ever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:32 pmI doubt the delay is only about your country of origin. A friend of mine from Africa applied as non-EU Stamp 1 and 4, 5 year residency and he’s been waiting for over a year now. My guess is that applications are being delayed because they’re conducting some sort of investigations and checks and only when they’re done, they’ll submit the file to the minister for a decision. If those investigations were already completed then they’d submit to the minister and once a decision is made, the applicant is informed. I don’t think they’ll submit to the minister without completing all the checks/investigations. Of course, what those investigations and checks are remain a mystery to everyone from outside.
In another thread (ireland/irish-citizenship-application-f ... 60466.html), someone mentioned that normally, the approval should come about 4 months after the second stage letter otherwise the applicant has been naughty somewhere.
On the flip side, because the application hasn’t yet been rejected, it means that it’s still pretty much being looked after which is better than a bare rejection I supposed.
Obviously without knowing what’s being done in that department, I’m just speculating. We're all in this so we'd try to be positive about the situation even if it's unfair and it sucks!
rockyguy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:08 amHi guys!!2pac4ever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:32 pmI doubt the delay is only about your country of origin. A friend of mine from Africa applied as non-EU Stamp 1 and 4, 5 year residency and he’s been waiting for over a year now. My guess is that applications are being delayed because they’re conducting some sort of investigations and checks and only when they’re done, they’ll submit the file to the minister for a decision. If those investigations were already completed then they’d submit to the minister and once a decision is made, the applicant is informed. I don’t think they’ll submit to the minister without completing all the checks/investigations. Of course, what those investigations and checks are remain a mystery to everyone from outside.
In another thread (ireland/irish-citizenship-application-f ... 60466.html), someone mentioned that normally, the approval should come about 4 months after the second stage letter otherwise the applicant has been naughty somewhere.
On the flip side, because the application hasn’t yet been rejected, it means that it’s still pretty much being looked after which is better than a bare rejection I supposed.
Obviously without knowing what’s being done in that department, I’m just speculating. We're all in this so we'd try to be positive about the situation even if it's unfair and it sucks!
Thanks for a brief explanation. My stress is getting higher everyday. I am waiting for the decision since 2016 june. No criminal offence or anything. Just applied through solicitor but its almost 28 months and no response after 2nd stage. 2 days ago i just got an email reply from the department the same thing "
Thank you for your email. It is recognised that all applicants for
citizenship would wish to have a decision on their application without
delay. Your application for naturalisation continues to be processed. If
further documentation and/or clarification of any matter related to your
application is required from you, we will write to you requesting it.
Please Note each application is assessed on an individual basis and the
amount of time gathering all the the necessary information varies from
application to application. While it is not possible to give an exact
timeframe, this office will be in touch as soon as a decision has been
reached.
Regards
Citizenship Helpdesk
Team 1
I don't understand guys how long is gonna be like that? I heard department should make a decision on your application in 30 months maximum or we can hire some barrister for judicial review. Is there anyone who's facing the same time period delay as mine? I am really devastated and i don't think i am gonna get any approval for this ceremony too
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rockyguy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:50 amHi Guys!
Anyone got approval who applied in mid of 2016? I am still waiting and not hoping for any approval for November ceremony. I am contacting some good barrister after new year in Dublin. According to procedures they have to make a decision in 30 months maximum. After that we should go for judicial review. I have a humble request for you guys who also waiting for a decision like me we should all take some legal action on the department. We should come forward and fight for our case collectively. I bet you this will work. Otherwise who knows we have to wait for more years may be. More people can buildup some pressure on them and it won't be counterproductive. Any advice from experts would be appreciated.
Thanks
That’s exactly what I was just going to ask?Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:49 pmI agree that there could be multiple reasons for applications being delayed. But since most the so-called investigations are about the past acts of the applicants, what is the harm in telling the applicant that "a court case is pending against you, so we won't take a decision until that is clear" or "you have a traffic offense which bans you from driving for 3 years, we will decide when that ban is lifted"
If they are just holding the application because they have doubts and unable to clear them within a reasonable time, it is inefficiency at their end. But we don't know what are the reasons for the delay unless told specifically. The reasons could be absurd such as, someone went on long-term leave and nobody wants to work on that file, your file has been lost and now slowly they are trying to collect relevant documents or your file is put aside because of some doubts and then they forgot to move it later.
Before a legal action, it might be a good idea to ask a copy of your file under the freedom of information act, which bounds the department to give you all documents, reports and even remarks on your application.
Can you tell me where did you get this information about 30-month duration?
Can you please let us know how can we ask for a copy of my file from the citizenship office.Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:49 pmBefore a legal action, it might be a good idea to ask a copy of your file under the freedom of information act, which bounds the department to give you all documents, reports and even remarks on your application.
http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformationSyjem wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:05 pmCan you please let us know how can we ask for a copy of my file from the citizenship office.Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:49 pmBefore a legal action, it might be a good idea to ask a copy of your file under the freedom of information act, which bounds the department to give you all documents, reports and even remarks on your application.
Many thanks for sharing this. Do you think that we should make the request through a solicitor or we can make it in person?Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:08 pmhttp://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformationSyjem wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:05 pmCan you please let us know how can we ask for a copy of my file from the citizenship office.Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:49 pmBefore a legal action, it might be a good idea to ask a copy of your file under the freedom of information act, which bounds the department to give you all documents, reports and even remarks on your application.
Don't know to be honest. I am thinking of asking for the copy of my file, but it been a year since I applied. Doesn't seem to be very hard to fill up the given form and request a copy of the file under freedom of information act. If I asked for a copy of my file, I will be doing it myself.Syjem wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:39 pmMany thanks for sharing this. Do you think that we should make the request through a solicitor or we can make it in person?Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:08 pmhttp://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/Fre ... nformationSyjem wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:05 pmCan you please let us know how can we ask for a copy of my file from the citizenship office.Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:49 pmBefore a legal action, it might be a good idea to ask a copy of your file under the freedom of information act, which bounds the department to give you all documents, reports and even remarks on your application.
rockyguy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:50 amHi Guys!
Anyone got approval who applied in mid of 2016? I am still waiting and not hoping for any approval for November ceremony. I am contacting some good barrister after new year in Dublin. According to procedures they have to make a decision in 30 months maximum. After that we should go for judicial review. I have a humble request for you guys who also waiting for a decision like me we should all take some legal action on the department. We should come forward and fight for our case collectively. I bet you this will work. Otherwise who knows we have to wait for more years may be. More people can buildup some pressure on them and it won't be counterproductive. Any advice from experts would be appreciated.
I am ready to go for judicial review with you
Thanks
Samfv wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:54 pmThat’s exactly what I was just going to ask?Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:49 pmI agree that there could be multiple reasons for applications being delayed. But since most the so-called investigations are about the past acts of the applicants, what is the harm in telling the applicant that "a court case is pending against you, so we won't take a decision until that is clear" or "you have a traffic offense which bans you from driving for 3 years, we will decide when that ban is lifted"
If they are just holding the application because they have doubts and unable to clear them within a reasonable time, it is inefficiency at their end. But we don't know what are the reasons for the delay unless told specifically. The reasons could be absurd such as, someone went on long-term leave and nobody wants to work on that file, your file has been lost and now slowly they are trying to collect relevant documents or your file is put aside because of some doubts and then they forgot to move it later.
Before a legal action, it might be a good idea to ask a copy of your file under the freedom of information act, which bounds the department to give you all documents, reports and even remarks on your application.
Can you tell me where did you get this information about 30-month duration?
based on the responses on some old posts it should not take more than 2-4 weeks once submitted to minister. all the best!rockyguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:41 pmSamfv wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:54 pmThat’s exactly what I was just going to ask?Paddy_Leprechaun wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:49 pmI agree that there could be multiple reasons for applications being delayed. But since most the so-called investigations are about the past acts of the applicants, what is the harm in telling the applicant that "a court case is pending against you, so we won't take a decision until that is clear" or "you have a traffic offense which bans you from driving for 3 years, we will decide when that ban is lifted"
If they are just holding the application because they have doubts and unable to clear them within a reasonable time, it is inefficiency at their end. But we don't know what are the reasons for the delay unless told specifically. The reasons could be absurd such as, someone went on long-term leave and nobody wants to work on that file, your file has been lost and now slowly they are trying to collect relevant documents or your file is put aside because of some doubts and then they forgot to move it later.
Before a legal action, it might be a good idea to ask a copy of your file under the freedom of information act, which bounds the department to give you all documents, reports and even remarks on your application.
Can you tell me where did you get this information about 30-month duration?
Sorry guys for my late reply been busy with work. my few friends told me about 30 months thing that department should have to make a decision on your file as per well known solicitor said to him. Plus my solicitor wrote them a letter last week and they replied back to my lawyer which is
"Thankyou for your correspondence. The delay in processing this file is regretted and as you state the period of time involved is quite exceptional. However it is the case when an application is submitted to the minister we are obliged to ensure that all the relevant information is available to the minister in order for him to make a fully informed decision. Your application is at an advanced stage of assessment. Your patience is appreciated"
What do you think about this reply guys? something positive?
Thanks
