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Judgement Day for Court case for non EU spouses - C-127/08

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Post by ciaramc » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:57 pm

Am Zuz I have been married two years!!! And I don't live in Ieland but thanks!

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Post by scrudu » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:28 am

zuz: As far as I know you are incorrect. What you mention was contained in planned legislation change, but it never came to pass. Immigrants (as locals) do not require permission to marry.

Sovtek: All 4 applicants who won the case were here illegally when they married, and applied for residency based on the EU1. They were all failed asylum seekers who had exhausted the Asylum seeking process when they married. I think (unsure if 1-2 or all) they had been issued deportation orders. The were refused residency on the basis of the EU1 form, on the following legal grounds "that they had not legally resided in another EU member state with their spouse before coming to Ireland". But if you look at other posters on this board, who were legally resident in Ireland when they married (e.g. here on Tourist Visa, or on Work Permit) while some were initially refused residency (on same legal basis as those illegally resident) most have been granted residency since then. Most had to fight for their right to reside though. So it seemed that the DoJ was unofficially making a policy of refusing to grant residency on the basis of the EU1 to those who were illegally present in Ireland before applying.

And yes, it does set a precedent for other illegal applicants, which is the case that the DoJ were fighting in the ECJ and most likely why other member states such as the UK & Denmark were backing them. This ruling means that people can enter any EU state illegally, and if they marry a EU citizen, they "have" to be granted the right to stay*. Hence the DoJ talking about "opening the floodgates".

* As the Directive does not cover EU citizens living in their own Country (unless they are exercising EU Treaty rights), this will only apply if the EU citizen is living in a EU country other than their own.

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Post by sakura » Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:55 pm

scrudu wrote:And yes, it does set a precedent for other illegal applicants, which is the case that the DoJ were fighting in the ECJ and most likely why other member states such as the UK & Denmark were backing them. This ruling means that people can enter any EU state illegally, and if they marry a EU citizen, they "have" to be granted the right to stay*. Hence the DoJ talking about "opening the floodgates".

* As the Directive does not cover EU citizens living in their own Country (unless they are exercising EU Treaty rights), this will only apply if the EU citizen is living in a EU country other than their own.
Whilst I don't agree with the government that it would open the 'floodgates', they do have a point - how does this ruling help prevent illegal immigration and marriages of convenience? Doesn't it makes it easier for someone to marry an EU/EEA national to gain residency? I know that governments can refuse applications if they believe the marriage is not genuine, but how easy is it to prove that?

That being said, I cannot read anywhere that the ruling overturned the Akrich ruling?

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hi

Post by peacefulsoul » Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:55 pm

guys this the main problem that mak doj close all doors in every one face as they dont know exactely if the marriage is business or real coz they dont know if its 100 percent true or not only in few cases
what you think guys they will do now after judjment they will check and review all applications so all will go through the paper this what i think any ideas?

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Post by esharknz » Fri Aug 01, 2008 7:27 am

I also see in today's Metro that INIS have posted a message regarding the Metock decision of last friday. States that all affected people will have their cases reviewed (expected to take 3-4 months) and that if you've changed your address or other circumstances have changed to please write a letter to them (not email).

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Post by scrudu » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:29 am

Personally I've always felt that the DoJ is to be involved in Immigration and granting of visas no the basis of marriage, that they need to find smarter ways to figure out if a marriage is one of convenience or not. I know this can be a hard one to find out, but surely doing things like random house visits, checking things like bank accounts, phone calls, finances, billing details on accounts etc. would be a way to figure these things out? As one who went through this DoJ to have my husband here, I would have welcomed any way to prove that our marriage was not "one of convenience". I know they have far more money and much higher figures, but think of the policies of the US when it comes to checking out such marriages.

But yes, I do think that this ruling will make it much easier for illegal immigrants to gain legal status, or benefit more from marriages of convenience. I think the DoJ and other member States will have to overhaul their techniques of ascertaining whether a marriage is legit or not. How I don't know, but I imagine more proof than ever will be needed to prove that a marriage is a real one.

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Post by brownbonno » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:37 am

Knowledge is Power

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Post by walrusgumble » Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:20 am

scrudu wrote:Personally I've always felt that the DoJ is to be involved in Immigration and granting of visas no the basis of marriage, that they need to find smarter ways to figure out if a marriage is one of convenience or not. I know this can be a hard one to find out, but surely doing things like random house visits, checking things like bank accounts, phone calls, finances, billing details on accounts etc. would be a way to figure these things out? As one who went through this DoJ to have my husband here, I would have welcomed any way to prove that our marriage was not "one of convenience". I know they have far more money and much higher figures, but think of the policies of the US when it comes to checking out such marriages.

But yes, I do think that this ruling will make it much easier for illegal immigrants to gain legal status, or benefit more from marriages of convenience. I think the DoJ and other member States will have to overhaul their techniques of ascertaining whether a marriage is legit or not. How I don't know, but I imagine more proof than ever will be needed to prove that a marriage is a real one.
please do not think i am criticisng your view, becasue it probably be the only way to prove a sham marriage but wouldn't some of that be very drastic and violation of one's right to prviacy and family life and correspondence under article 8 of the european convention on human rights?

although, it is not law yet, the section in the new immigration bill which requires the permission from the minister would probably require a thorough interview and couple to show documents of genuie relationship. (note it is my opinion the president of ireland may refer this to the supreme court to test the constitutionality of the provision). also wouldn't such bill violate european law in light of metock?

as for the ruling in europe, for now i agree with you in that illegal immigrants might find it easy to marry, but i also strongly believe that this ruling has implications for all of europe. who would be surpirsed that the heads of state dont come together and amend directive 2004 / 38 ec?

i am aware that there are many couples still waiting on decisions from the eu 1 applications. at the time of beign assessed, the applications were suspended until the outcome of metock in teh ecj. during that time the department wrote to the applicants and asked for a number of items

1. handwritten letters from both spouses stating the nature of the relationship before and after marriage, prove of living together, evidence of how each contribute (eg bills, children, love and care etc), common language used by the couple and they requested any kind of document to show that the relationship and marriage was real - examples of bank statements, tenancy, utitlity bills etc

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Post by mendo » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:09 pm

http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/EU ... y%20Rights

Dependants of an EEA National
EU Treaty Rights

Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service
Information Note

European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) Regulations 2006

This information is intended to assist applicants in their dealings with EU Treaty Rights Section.
As such it does not constitute legal advice and is intended for guidance purposes only.
Introduction

The Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform made the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) Regulations 2006, (Statutory Instrument No. 226 of 2006) and the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) Regulations 2006 (No.2) (Statutory Instrument No. 656 of 2006).
The Regulations bring into effect in Irish law European Directive 2004/38/EC on the right of citizens of the European Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States.

Recently the Irish High Court referred to the European Court of Justice the question of whether Regulation 3(2) of SI 656/2006- European Communities (Free Movement of Persons ) ( No 2) Regulations 2006( which requires that non EEA family members -permitted or qualifying- of an EU citizen who apply for a residence card in the State must provide evidence showing that they had prior lawful residence in another EU Member State) was compatible with Directive 2004/38/EC on the rights of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States .

On the 25 July 2008 the European Court of Justice held that this Regulation was not compatible with the Directive.The full text of the judgment may be found on the Courts internet site-http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/f ... f=C-127/08

The Department of Justice ,Equality and Law Reform has decided therefore to revoke the requirement in question .Consequently all applicants who applied since 28 April 2006 up to 25 July 2008 for an EU FAM residence card and were refused because they did not have prior legal residence will have their applications for an EU FAM residence card reviewed .

All affected applicants will receive notification of the results of these reviews in due course and all affected applicants are asked to advise the Department in writing if their current address or circumstances have changed since their original application.It is envisaged that this process will take three to four months to complete . All such communications in these matters should be addressed in writing ONLY ( e-mail is not acceptable) and sent via REGISTERED POST ONLY to the

EU Treaty Rights Unit,
P.O. Box 10003,
Dublin 2

and clearly marked REVIEW- ECJ and quoting their Application Reference Number.
What will the Regulations mean in terms of registration and residence in Ireland?

For EU Citizens - Under the Regulations an EU citizen does not need to register his/her presence in the State with the immigration authorities.

The right of residence of an EU citizen remains subject to conditions. He/she must be, either,

* engaged in economic activity (employed or self employed); or
* a person with sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State; or
* enrolled as a student or vocational trainee; or
* a family member of an EU citizen in one of the above categories.

For Family Members - A Family Member (i.e. spouse, child, dependant relative, other family member requiring the personal care of the EU citizen on health grounds, member of the household of the EU citizen, partner) who is not a national of an EU Member State must apply for a Residence Card which will confirm that he/she is a family member of an EU citizen residing in Ireland. This Residence Card can be used in place of an Irish re-entry visa, where the holder wishes to leave Ireland on a short journey and return to the State.
What other changes result from the Regulations?

Permanent Residence - EU citizens and their family members may apply, respectively, for a Permanent Residence Certificate or Permanent Residence Card after they have resided for a continuous period of 5 years in Ireland. Residence Card for Children - A particular feature of the Regulations is that non-EEA nationals of whatever age who are family members of EU citizens resident in Ireland should apply for the appropriate Card. Prior to the introduction of the Regulations, children under 16 years of age were specifically excluded from the requirement to register their presence in Ireland.

Partners of EU citizens - The Regulations allow for the facilitation of the admission of the partner of an EU citizen where they are in a durable relationship which is duly attested. The permission granted to such partners for the purposes of admission and residence in the State does not involve the recognition of such partnerships for other purposes. It will be noted from the Application Form that documentary evidence is required to establish that the partnership has existed for a reasonable duration. The Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service (INIS) would expect that clear evidence be provided that the partnership has existed for at least 2 years prior to the application in order to issue the relevant card. In examining an application, INIS is obliged to undertake an extensive examination of the personal circumstances of such relationships.
Application Forms

Applications Forms for the relevant certificate/card are now available on this website, as follows.

* Form EU 1 - Application for a Residence Card Non-EEA family member, resident in Ireland for more than 3 months.
* Form EU 2 - Application for a Permanent Residence Certificate EU Citizen resident in Ireland for more than 5 years.
* Form EU 3 - Application for Permanant Residence Card Non-EU Family Member resident in Ireland for more than 5 years.

To apply, the applicant must complete the form in full and attach any relevant documents in original form which will be returned to the applicant as soon as ipossible.
Because original documents are required to support each application it is recommended that registered post be used. A separate Application Form must be completed by each individual, including a child.

Completed Application Forms should be sent by registered post to:-

EU Treaty Rights Section
Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service
Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform
13/14 Burgh Quay
Dublin 2.

If you have any questions about the forms you can use the telephone helpline or e-mail your enquiry to eutreatyrights@justice.ie or post enquiries to the above address .

Please be advised that the processing of an application can take up to 6 months before a decision on an application may be forthcoming where it is deemed appropriate to do so and if all the necessary requirements are fulfilled.
Other features of the Regulations

* The new status of permanent residence for EU citizens and their family members after five years uninterrupted legal residence in the State is lost only in the event of more than two successive years??? absence from Ireland or in circumstances where removal procedures have been commenced against the person concerned.
* The death of the EU citizen, his/her departure from Ireland, divorce, annulment of marriage or termination of partnership will not affect the right of family members who are not nationals of a Member State to continue residing in Ireland, subject to certain conditions.
* Under the Directive, Member States have the power to expel persons from their territory. EU citizens or their family members may be expelled on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. However, before making such a decision the host Member State must assess a number of factors such as how long the individual concerned has resided on its territory, his/her age, state of health, family and economic situation, social and cultural integration into the host Member State and the extent of his/her links with the country of origin.

Irish Naturalisation and Immigration Service
Department of Justice, Equality and Law Reform
Frequently Asked Questions on this subject can be found under EU Treaty Rights FAQs

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Post by mendo » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:54 pm

http://curia.europa.eu/jurisp/cgi-bin/f ... f=C-127/08



IMPORTANT LEGAL NOTICE - The information on this site is subject to a disclaimer and a copyright notice.


JUDGMENT OF THE COURT (Grand Chamber)

25 July 2008 (*)

(Directive 2004/38/EC ??? Right of Union citizens and their family members to move and reside freely in the territory of a Member State ??? Family members who are nationals of non-member countries ??? Nationals of non-member countries who entered the host Member State before becoming spouses of Union citizens)

In Case C???127/08,

REFERENCE for a preliminary ruling under Article 234 EC from the High Court (Ireland), made by decision of 14 March 2008, received at the Court on 25 March 2008, in the proceedings

Blaise Baheten Metock,

Hanette Eugenie Ngo Ikeng,

Christian Joel Baheten,

Samuel Zion Ikeng Baheten,

Hencheal Ikogho,

Donna Ikogho,

Roland Chinedu,

Marlene Babucke Chinedu,

Henry Igboanusi,

Roksana Batkowska

v

Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform,

THE COURT (Grand Chamber),

composed of V. Skouris, President, P. Jann, C.W.A. Timmermans, A. Rosas and K. Lenaerts, Presidents of Chambers, A. Tizzano, U. L??hmus, J.N. Cunha Rodrigues, M. Ile??i?? (Rapporteur), J. Malenovsk??, J. Klu??ka, C. Toader and J.???J. Kasel, Judges,

Advocate General: M. Poiares Maduro,

Registrar: M. Ferreira, Principal Administrator,

having regard to the decision of the President of the Court of 17 April 2008 to apply an accelerated procedure in accordance with Article 23a of the Statute of the Court of Justice and the first paragraph of Article 104a of the Rules of Procedure,

having regard to the written procedure and further to the hearing on 3 June 2008,

after considering the observations submitted on behalf of:

??? B. Baheten Metock, H.E. Ngo Ikeng, C.J. Baheten and S.Z. Ikeng Baheten, by M. de Blacam, SC, and J. Stanley, BL, instructed by V. Crowley, S. Burke and D. Langan, Solicitors,

??? H. Ikogho and D. Ikogho, by R. Boyle, SC, G. O???Halloran, BL, and A. Lowry, BL, instructed by S. Mulvihill, Solicitor,

??? R. Chinedu and M. Babucke Chinedu, by A. Collins, SC, M. Lynn, BL, and P. O???Shea, BL, instructed by B. Burns, Solicitor,

??? H. Igboanusi and R. Batkowska, by M. Forde, SC, and O. Ladenegan, BL, instructed by K. Tunney and W. Mudah, Solicitors,

??? the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform, by D. O???Hagan, acting as Agent, and B. O???Moore, SC, S. Moorhead, SC, and D. Conlan Smyth, BL,

??? the Czech Government, by M. Smolek, acting as Agent,

??? the Danish Government, by J. Bering Liisberg and B. Weis Fogh, acting as Agents,

??? the German Government, by M. Lumma and J. M??ller, acting as Agents,

??? the Greek Government, by T. Papadopoulou and M. Michelogiannaki, acting as Agents,

??? the Cypriot Government, by D. Lisandrou, acting as Agent,

??? the Maltese Government, by S. Camilleri, acting as Agent,

??? the Netherlands Government, by C. Wissels and C. ten Dam, acting as Agents,

??? the Austrian Government, by E. Riedl and T. F??l??p, acting as Agents,

??? the Finnish Government, by A. Guimaraes-Purokoski, acting as Agent,

??? the United Kingdom Government, by I. Rao, acting as Agent, and T. Ward, Barrister,

??? the Commission of the European Communities, by D. Maidani and M. Wilderspin, acting as Agents,

after hearing the Advocate General,

gives the following

Judgment

1 This reference for a preliminary ruling concerns the interpretation of Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004 on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States amending Regulation (EEC) No 1612/68 and repealing Directives 64/221/EEC, 68/360/EEC, 72/194/EEC, 73/148/EEC, 75/34/EEC, 75/35/EEC, 90/364/EEC, 90/365/EEC and 93/96/EEC (OJ 2004 L 158, p. 77, and corrigenda (OJ 2004 L 229, p. 35, OJ 2005 L 30, p. 27, OJ 2005 L 197, p. 34, and OJ 2007 L 204, p. 28)).

2 The reference was made in the course of four applications for judicial review before the High Court, each seeking inter alia an order of certiorari quashing the decision of the Minister for Justice, Equality and Law Reform (???the Minister for Justice???) refusing to grant a residence card to a national of a non-member country married to a Union citizen residing in Ireland.

Legal context

Community legislation

3 Directive 2004/38 was adopted on the basis of Articles 12 EC, 18 EC, 40 EC, 44 EC and 52 EC.

4 Recitals 1 to 5, 11, 14 and 31 in the preamble to that directive read as follows:

???(1) Citizenship of the Union confers on every citizen of the Union a primary and individual right to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States, subject to the limitations and conditions laid down in the Treaty and to the measures adopted to give it effect.

(2) The free movement of persons constitutes one of the fundamental freedoms of the internal market, which comprises an area without internal frontiers, in which freedom is ensured in accordance with the provisions of the Treaty.

(3) Union citizenship should be the fundamental status of nationals of the Member States when they exercise their right of free movement and residence. It is therefore necessary to codify and review the existing Community instruments dealing separately with workers, self-employed persons, as well as students and other inactive persons in order to simplify and strengthen the right of free movement and residence of all Union citizens.

(4) With a view to remedying this sector-by-sector, piecemeal approach to the right of free movement and residence and facilitating the exercise of this right, there needs to be a single legislative act ???

(5) The right of all Union citizens to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States should, if it is to be exercised under objective conditions of freedom and dignity, be also granted to their family members, irrespective of nationality ???

???

(11) The fundamental and personal right of residence in another Member State is conferred directly on Union citizens by the Treaty and is not dependent upon their having fulfilled administrative procedures.

???

(14) The supporting documents required by the competent authorities for the issuing of a registration certificate or of a residence card should be comprehensively specified in order to avoid divergent administrative practices or interpretations constituting an undue obstacle to the exercise of the right of residence by Union citizens and their family members.

???

(31) This Directive respects the fundamental rights and freedoms and observes the principles recognised in particular by the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union. In accordance with the prohibition of discrimination contained in the Charter, Member States should implement this Directive without discrimination between the beneficiaries of this Directive on grounds such as sex, race, colour, ethnic or social origin, genetic characteristics, language, religion or beliefs, political or other opinion, membership of an ethnic minority, property, birth, disability, age or sexual orientation???.

5 According to Article 1(a) of Directive 2004/38, the directive concerns inter alia ???the conditions governing the exercise of the right of free movement and residence within the territory of the Member States by Union citizens and their family members???.

6 According to Article 2(2)(a) of Directive 2004/38, for the purposes of the directive, ???family member??? means inter alia the spouse.

7 Article 3 of Directive 2004/38, ???Beneficiaries???, provides in paragraph 1:

???This Directive shall apply to all Union citizens who move to or reside in a Member State other than that of which they are a national, and to their family members as defined in point 2 of Article 2 who accompany or join them.???

8 Article 5 of Directive 2004/38, ???Right of entry???, states:

???1. Without prejudice to the provisions on travel documents applicable to national border controls, Member States shall grant Union citizens leave to enter their territory with a valid identity card or passport and shall grant family members who are not nationals of a Member State leave to enter their territory with a valid passport.

???

2. Family members who are not nationals of a Member State shall only be required to have an entry visa in accordance with Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 or, where appropriate, with national law. For the purposes of this Directive, possession of the valid residence card referred to in Article 10 shall exempt such family members from the visa requirement.

???

5. The Member State may require the person concerned to report his/her presence within its territory within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time. Failure to comply with this requirement may make the person concerned liable to proportionate and non-discriminatory sanctions.???

9 Article 7 of Directive 2004/38, ???Right of residence for more than three months???, states:

???1. All Union citizens shall have the right of residence on the territory of another Member State for a period of longer than three months if they:

(a) are workers or self-employed persons in the host Member State; or

(b) have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence and have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host Member State; or

(c) ??? are enrolled at a private or public establishment, accredited or financed by the host Member State on the basis of its legislation or administrative practice, for the principal purpose of following a course of study, including vocational training; and

??? have comprehensive sickness insurance cover in the host Member State and assure the relevant national authority, by means of a declaration or by such equivalent means as they may choose, that they have sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State during their period of residence; ???

???

2. The right of residence provided for in paragraph 1 shall extend to family members who are not nationals of a Member State, accompanying or joining the Union citizen in the host Member State, provided that such Union citizen satisfies the conditions referred to in paragraph 1(a), (b) or (c).

??????

10 Article 9 of Directive 2004/38, ???Administrative formalities for family members who are not nationals of a Member State???, provides:

???1. Member States shall issue a residence card to family members of a Union citizen who are not nationals of a Member State, where the planned period of residence is for more than three months.

2. The deadline for submitting the residence card application may not be less than three months from the date of arrival.

3. Failure to comply with the requirement to apply for a residence card may make the person concerned liable to proportionate and non-discriminatory sanctions.???

11 Article 10 of Directive 2004/38, ???Issue of residence cards???, provides:

???1. The right of residence of family members of a Union citizen who are not nationals of a Member State shall be evidenced by the issuing of a document called ???Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen??? no later than six months from the date on which they submit the application. A certificate of application for the residence card shall be issued immediately.

2. For the residence card to be issued, Member States shall require presentation of the following documents:

(a) a valid passport;

(b) a document attesting to the existence of a family relationship or of a registered partnership;

(c) the registration certificate or, in the absence of a registration system, any other proof of residence in the host Member State of the Union citizen whom they are accompanying or joining;

(d) in cases falling under points (c) and (d) of Article 2(2), documentary evidence that the conditions laid down therein are met;

??????

12 Article 27 of Directive 2004/38, which appears in Chapter VI of the directive, ???Restrictions on the right of entry and the right of residence on grounds of public policy, public security or public health???, provides in paragraphs 1 and 2:

???1. Subject to the provisions of this Chapter, Member States may restrict the freedom of movement and residence of Union citizens and their family members, irrespective of nationality, on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. These grounds shall not be invoked to serve economic ends.

2. Measures taken on grounds of public policy or public security shall comply with the principle of proportionality and shall be based exclusively on the personal conduct of the individual concerned. Previous criminal convictions shall not in themselves constitute grounds for taking such measures.

The personal conduct of the individual concerned must represent a genuine, present and sufficiently serious threat affecting one of the fundamental interests of society. Justifications that are isolated from the particulars of the case or that rely on considerations of general prevention shall not be accepted.???

13 Article 35 of Directive 2004/38, ???Abuse of rights???, provides:

???Member States may adopt the necessary measures to refuse, terminate or withdraw any right conferred by this Directive in the case of abuse of rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience. Any such measure shall be proportionate and subject to the procedural safeguards provided for in Articles 30 and 31.???

14 As stated in Article 38 of Directive 2004/38, it repealed inter alia Articles 10 and 11 of Regulation (EEC) No 1612/68 of the Council of 15 October 1968 on freedom of movement for workers within the Community (OJ, English Special Edition 1968 (II), p. 475), as amended by Council Regulation (EEC) No 2434/92 of 27 July 1992 (OJ 1992 L 245, p. 1) (???Regulation No 1612/68???).

National legislation

15 At the material time, Directive 2004/38 was transposed into Irish law by the European Communities (Free Movement of Persons) (No 2) Regulations 2006, which were made on 18 December 2006 and entered into force on 1 January 2007 (???the 2006 Regulations???).

16 Regulation 3(1) and (2) of the 2006 Regulations provides:

???(1) These Regulations shall apply to ???

(a) Union citizens,

(b) subject to paragraph (2), qualifying family members of Union citizens who are not themselves Union citizens, and

(c) subject to paragraph (2), permitted family members of Union citizens.

(2) These Regulations shall not apply to a family member unless the family member is lawfully resident in another Member State and is ???

(a) seeking to enter the State in the company of a Union citizen in respect of whom he or she is a family member, or

(b) seeking to join a Union citizen, in respect of whom he or she is a family member, who is lawfully present in the State.???

17 ???Qualifying family members of Union citizens??? within the meaning of Regulation 3 of the 2006 Regulations include spouses of Union citizens.

The main proceedings

The Metock case

18 Mr Metock, a national of Cameroon, arrived in Ireland on 23 June 2006 and applied for asylum. His application was definitively refused on 28 February 2007.

19 Ms Ngo Ikeng, born a national of Cameroon, has acquired United Kingdom nationality. She has resided and worked in Ireland since late 2006.

20 Mr Metock and Ms Ngo Ikeng met in Cameroon in 1994 and have been in a relationship since then. They have two children, one born in 1998 and the other in 2006. They were married in Ireland on 12 October 2006.

21 On 6 November 2006 Mr Metock applied for a residence card as the spouse of a Union citizen working and residing in Ireland. The application was refused by decision of the Minister for Justice of 28 June 2007, on the ground that Mr Metock did not satisfy the condition of prior lawful residence in another Member State required by Regulation 3(2) of the 2006 Regulations.

22 Mr Metock, Ms Ngo Ikeng and their children brought proceedings against that decision.

The Ikogho case

23 Mr Ikogho, a national of a non-member country, arrived in Ireland in November 2004 and applied for asylum. His application was definitively refused and the Minister for Justice made a deportation order against him on 15 September 2005. A challenge to the deportation order was dismissed by order of the High Court of 19 June 2007.

24 Mrs Ikogho, who is a United Kingdom national and a Union citizen, has resided and worked in Ireland since 1996.

25 Mr and Mrs Ikogho met in Ireland in December 2004 and were married there on 7 June 2006.

26 On 6 July 2006 Mr Ikogho applied for a residence card as the spouse of a Union citizen residing and working in Ireland. His application was refused by decision of the Minister for Justice of 12 January 2007, on the ground that, by reason of the deportation order of 15 September 2005, Mr Ikogho was staying in Ireland illegally at the time of his marriage.

27 Mr and Mrs Ikogho brought proceedings against that decision.

The Chinedu case

28 Mr Chinedu, a Nigerian national, arrived in Ireland in December 2005 and applied for asylum. His application was definitively refused on 8 August 2006. Ms Babucke, of German nationality, is lawfully resident in Ireland.

29 Mr Chinedu and Ms Babucke were married in Ireland on 3 July 2006.

30 By application received by the Minister for Justice on 1 August 2006, Mr Chinedu applied for a residence card as the spouse of a Union citizen. The application was refused by decision of the Minister for Justice of 17 April 2007, on the ground that Mr Chinedu did not satisfy the condition of prior lawful residence in another Member State required by Regulation 3(2) of the 2006 Regulations.

31 Mr Chinedu and Ms Babucke brought proceedings against that decision.

The Igboanusi case

32 Mr Igboanusi, a Nigerian national, arrived in Ireland on 2 April 2004 and applied for asylum. His application was refused on 31 May 2005 and the Minister for Justice made a deportation order against him on 15 September 2005.

33 Ms Batkowska, a Polish national, has resided and worked in Ireland since April 2006.

34 Mr Igboanusi and Ms Batkowska met in Ireland and were married there on 24 November 2006.

35 On 27 February 2007 Mr Igboanusi applied for a residence card as the spouse of a Union citizen. His application was refused by decision of the Minister for Justice of 27 August 2007, on the ground that Mr Igboanusi did not satisfy the condition of prior lawful residence in another Member State required by Regulation 3(2) of the 2006 Regulations.

36 Mr Igboanusi and Ms Batkowska brought proceedings against that decision.

37 On 16 November 2007 Mr Igboanusi was arrested and detained pursuant to the deportation order against him. He was deported to Nigeria in December 2007.

The main proceedings and the order for reference

38 The four cases were heard together before the national court.

39 All the applicants in the main proceedings submitted essentially that Regulation 3(2) of the 2006 Regulations is not compatible with Directive 2004/38.

40 They argued that nationals of non-member countries who are spouses of Union citizens have a right, consequential to and dependent on that of the Union citizen, to move and reside in a Member State other than that of which the Union citizen is a national, a right which derives from the family relationship alone.

41 They submitted that Directive 2004/38 governs exhaustively the conditions of entry into and residence in a Member State for a Union citizen who is a national of another Member State and his family members, so that the Member States are not entitled to impose additional conditions. Since the directive makes no provision for a condition of prior lawful residence in another Member State, such as that imposed by the Irish legislation, that legislation is not consistent with Community law.

42 The applicants in the main proceedings further submitted that a national of a non-member country who becomes a family member of a Union citizen while that citizen is resident in a Member State other than that of which he is a national accompanies that citizen within the meaning of Articles 3(1) and 7(2) of Directive 2004/38.

43 The Minister for Justice replied essentially that Directive 2004/38 does not preclude the condition of prior lawful residence in another Member State laid down in Regulation 3(2) of the 2006 Regulations.

44 He submitted that there is a division of competences between the Member States and the Community, under which the Member States have competence in relation to the admission into a Member State of nationals of non-member countries coming from outside Community territory, while the Community has competence to regulate the movement of Union citizens and their family members within the Union.

45 He argued that Directive 2004/38 therefore leaves Member States discretion to impose on nationals of non-member countries who are spouses of Union citizens a condition of prior lawful residence in another Member State. Moreover, that such a condition is consistent with Community law follows from Case C???109/01 Akrich [2003] ECR I???9607 and Case C???1/05 Jia [2007] ECR I???1.

46 The national court points out that none of the marriages in question is a marriage of convenience.

47 Since it considered that an interpretation of Directive 2004/38 was necessary for it to give judgment in the main proceedings, the High Court decided to stay the proceedings and refer the following questions to the Court for a preliminary ruling:

???(1) Does Directive 2004/38/EC permit a Member State to have a general requirement that a non-EU national spouse of a Union citizen must have been lawfully resident in another Member State prior to coming to the host Member State in order that he or she be entitled to benefit from the provisions of Directive 2004/38/EC?

(2) Does Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC include within its scope of application a non-EU national who is:

??? a spouse of a Union citizen who resides in the host Member State and satisfies a condition in Article 7(1)(a), (b) or (c) and

??? is then residing in the host Member State with the Union citizen as his/her spouse

irrespective of when or where their marriage took place or when or how the non-EU national entered the host Member State?

(3) If the answer to the preceding question is in the negative does Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38/EC include within its scope of application a non-EU national spouse of a Union citizen who is:

??? a spouse of a Union citizen who resides in the host Member State and satisfies a condition in Article 7(1)(a), (b) or (c) and

??? resides in the host Member State with the Union citizen as his/her spouse

??? has entered the host Member State independently of the Union citizen and

??? subsequently married the Union citizen in the host Member State????

The first question

48 By its first question the referring court asks whether Directive 2004/38 precludes legislation of a Member State which requires a national of a non-member country who is the spouse of a Union citizen residing in that Member State but not possessing its nationality to have previously been lawfully resident in another Member State before arriving in the host Member State, in order to benefit from the provisions of that directive.

49 In the first place, it must be stated that, as regards family members of a Union citizen, no provision of Directive 2004/38 makes the application of the directive conditional on their having previously resided in a Member State.

50 As Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38 states, the directive applies to all Union citizens who move to or reside in a Member State other than that of which they are a national, and to their family members as defined in point 2 of Article 2 of the directive who accompany them or join them in that Member State. The definition of family members in point 2 of Article 2 of Directive 2004/38 does not distinguish according to whether or not they have already resided lawfully in another Member State.

51 It must also be pointed out that Articles 5, 6(2) and 7(2) of Directive 2004/38 confer the rights of entry, of residence for up to three months, and of residence for more than three months in the host Member State on nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen whom they accompany or join in that Member State, without any reference to the place or conditions of residence they had before arriving in that Member State.

52 In particular, the first subparagraph of Article 5(2) of Directive 2004/38 provides that nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen are required to have an entry visa, unless they are in possession of the valid residence card referred to in Article 10 of that directive. In that, as follows from Articles 9(1) and 10(1) of Directive 2004/38, the residence card is the document that evidences the right of residence for more than three months in a Member State of the family members of a Union citizen who are not nationals of a Member State, the fact that Article 5(2) provides for the entry into the host Member State of family members of a Union citizen who do not have a residence card shows that Directive 2004/38 is capable of applying also to family members who were not already lawfully resident in another Member State.

53 Similarly, Article 10(2) of Directive 2004/38, which lists exhaustively the documents which nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen may have to present to the host Member State in order to have a residence card issued, does not provide for the possibility of the host Member State asking for documents to demonstrate any prior lawful residence in another Member State.

54 In those circumstances, Directive 2004/38 must be interpreted as applying to all nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen within the meaning of point 2 of Article 2 of that directive and accompany or join the Union citizen in a Member State other than that of which he is a national, and as conferring on them rights of entry and residence in that Member State, without distinguishing according to whether or not the national of a non-member country has already resided lawfully in another Member State.

55 That interpretation is supported by the Court???s case-law on the instruments of secondary law concerning freedom of movement for persons adopted before Directive 2004/38.

56 Even before the adoption of Directive 2004/38, the Community legislature recognised the importance of ensuring the protection of the family life of nationals of the Member States in order to eliminate obstacles to the exercise of the fundamental freedoms guaranteed by the EC Treaty (Case C???60/00 Carpenter [2002] ECR I???6279, paragraph 38; Case C???459/99 MRAX [2002] ECR I???6591, paragraph 53; Case C???157/03 Commission v Spain [2005] ECR I???2911, paragraph 26; Case C???503/03 Commission v Spain [2006] ECR I???1097, paragraph 41; Case C???441/02 Commission v Germany [2006] ECR I???3449, paragraph 109; and Case C???291/05 Eind [2007] ECR I???0000, paragraph 44).

57 To that end, the Community legislature has considerably expanded, in Regulation No 1612/68 and in the directives on freedom of movement for persons adopted before Directive 2004/38, the application of Community law on entry into and residence in the territory of the Member States to nationals of non-member countries who are spouses of nationals of Member States (see, to that effect, Case C???503/03 Commission v Spain, paragraph 41).

58 It is true that the Court held in paragraphs 50 and 51 of Akrich that, in order to benefit from the rights provided for in Article 10 of Regulation No 1612/68, the national of a non-member country who is the spouse of a Union citizen must be lawfully resident in a Member State when he moves to another Member State to which the citizen of the Union is migrating or has migrated. However, that conclusion must be reconsidered. The benefit of such rights cannot depend on the prior lawful residence of such a spouse in another Member State (see, to that effect, MRAX, paragraph 59, and Case C???157/03 Commission v Spain, paragraph 28).

59 The same interpretation must be adopted a fortiori with respect to Directive 2004/38, which amended Regulation No 1612/68 and repealed the earlier directives on freedom of movement for persons. As is apparent from recital 3 in the preamble to Directive 2004/38, it aims in particular to ???strengthen the right of free movement and residence of all Union citizens???, so that Union citizens cannot derive less rights from that directive than from the instruments of secondary legislation which it amends or repeals.

60 In the second place, the above interpretation of Directive 2004/38 is consistent with the division of competences between the Member States and the Community.

61 It is common ground that the Community derives from Articles 18(2) EC, 40 EC, 44 EC and 52 EC ??? on the basis of which Directive 2004/38 inter alia was adopted ??? competence to enact the necessary measures to bring about freedom of movement for Union citizens.

62 As already pointed out in paragraph 56 above, if Union citizens were not allowed to lead a normal family life in the host Member State, the exercise of the freedoms they are guaranteed by the Treaty would be seriously obstructed.

63 Consequently, within the competence conferred on it by those articles of the Treaty, the Community legislature can regulate the conditions of entry and residence of the family members of a Union citizen in the territory of the Member States, where the fact that it is impossible for the Union citizen to be accompanied or joined by his family in the host Member State would be such as to interfere with his freedom of movement by discouraging him from exercising his rights of entry into and residence in that Member State.

64 The refusal of the host Member State to grant rights of entry and residence to the family members of a Union citizen is such as to discourage that citizen from moving to or residing in that Member State, even if his family members are not already lawfully resident in the territory of another Member State.

65 It follows that the Community legislature has competence to regulate, as it did by Directive 2004/38, the entry and residence of nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen in the Member State in which that citizen has exercised his right of freedom of movement, including where the family members were not already lawfully resident in another Member State.

66 Consequently, the interpretation put forward by the Minister for Justice and by several of the governments that have submitted observations that the Member States retain exclusive competence, subject to Title IV of Part Three of the Treaty, to regulate the first access to Community territory of family members of a Union citizen who are nationals of non-member countries must be rejected.

67 Indeed, to allow the Member States exclusive competence to grant or refuse entry into and residence in their territory to nationals of non-member countries who are family members of Union citizens and have not already resided lawfully in another Member State would have the effect that the freedom of movement of Union citizens in a Member State whose nationality they do not possess would vary from one Member State to another, according to the provisions of national law concerning immigration, with some Member States permitting entry and residence of family members of a Union citizen and other Member States refusing them.

68 That would not be compatible with the objective set out in Article 3(1)(c) EC of an internal market characterised by the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to the free movement of persons. Establishing an internal market implies that the conditions of entry and residence of a Union citizen in a Member State whose nationality he does not possess are the same in all the Member States. Freedom of movement for Union citizens must therefore be interpreted as the right to leave any Member State, in particular the Member State whose nationality the Union citizen possesses, in order to become established under the same conditions in any Member State other than the Member State whose nationality the Union citizen possesses.

69 Furthermore, the interpretation mentioned in paragraph 66 above would lead to the paradoxical outcome that a Member State would be obliged, under Council Directive 2003/86/EC of 22 September 2003 on the right to family reunification (OJ 2003 L 251, p. 12), to authorise the entry and residence of the spouse of a national of a non-member country lawfully resident in its territory where the spouse is not already lawfully resident in another Member State, but would be free to refuse the entry and residence of the spouse of a Union citizen in the same circumstances.

70 Consequently, Directive 2004/38 confers on all nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen within the meaning of point 2 of Article 2 of that directive, and accompany or join the Union citizen in a Member State other than that of which he is a national, rights of entry into and residence in the host Member State, regardless of whether the national of a non-member country has already been lawfully resident in another Member State.

71 The Minister for Justice and several of the governments that have submitted observations contend, however, that, in a context typified by strong pressure of migration, it is necessary to control immigration at the external borders of the Community, which presupposes an individual examination of all the circumstances surrounding a first entry into Community territory. An interpretation of Directive 2004/38 prohibiting a host Member State from requiring prior lawful residence in another Member State would undermine the ability of the Member States to control immigration at their external frontiers.

72 The Minister for Justice submits in particular that that interpretation would have serious consequences for the Member States by bringing about a great increase in the number of persons able to benefit from a right of residence in the Community.

73 On this point, the answer must be, first, that it is not all nationals of non-member countries who derive rights of entry into and residence in a Member State from Directive 2004/38, but only those who are family members, within the meaning of point 2 of Article 2 of that directive, of a Union citizen who has exercised his right of freedom of movement by becoming established in a Member State other than the Member State of which he is a national.

74 Second, Directive 2004/38 does not deprive the Member States of all possibility of controlling the entry into their territory of family members of Union citizens. Under Chapter VI of that directive, Member States may, where this is justified, refuse entry and residence on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. Such a refusal will be based on an individual examination of the particular case.

75 Moreover, in accordance with Article 35 of Directive 2004/38, Member States may adopt the necessary measures to refuse, terminate or withdraw any right conferred by that directive in the case of abuse of rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience, it being understood that any such measure must be proportionate and subject to the procedural safeguards provided for in the directive.

76 Those governments further submit that that interpretation of Directive 2004/38 would lead to unjustified reverse discrimination, in so far as nationals of the host Member State who have never exercised their right of freedom of movement would not derive rights of entry and residence from Community law for their family members who are nationals of non-member countries.

77 In that regard, it is settled case-law that the Treaty rules governing freedom of movement for persons and the measures adopted to implement them cannot be applied to activities which have no factor linking them with any of the situations governed by Community law and which are confined in all relevant respects within a single Member State (Case C???212/06 Government of the French Community and Walloon Government [2008] ECR I???0000, paragraph 33).

78 Any difference in treatment between those Union citizens and those who have exercised their right of freedom of movement, as regards the entry and residence of their family members, does not therefore fall within the scope of Community law.

79 Moreover, it should be recalled that all the Member States are parties to the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms signed in Rome on 4 November 1950, which enshrines in Article 8 the right to respect for private and family life.

80 The answer to the first question must therefore be that Directive 2004/38 precludes legislation of a Member State which requires a national of a non-member country who is the spouse of a Union citizen residing in that Member State but not possessing its nationality to have previously been lawfully resident in another Member State before arriving in the host Member State, in order to benefit from the provisions of that directive.

The second question

81 By its second question the referring court asks essentially whether the spouse of a Union citizen who has exercised his right of freedom of movement by becoming established in a Member State whose nationality he does not possess accompanies or joins that citizen within the meaning of Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38, and consequently benefits from the provisions of that directive, irrespective of when and where the marriage took place and of the circumstances in which he entered the host Member State.

82 It should be noted at the outset that, as may be seen from recitals 1, 4 and 11 in the preamble, Directive 2004/38 aims to facilitate the exercise of the primary and individual right to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States that is conferred directly on Union citizens by the Treaty.

83 Moreover, as recital 5 in the preamble to Directive 2004/38 points out, the right of all Union citizens to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States should, if it is to be exercised under objective conditions of dignity, be also granted to their family members, irrespective of nationality.

84 Having regard to the context and objectives of Directive 2004/38, the provisions of that directive cannot be interpreted restrictively, and must not in any event be deprived of their effectiveness (see, to that effect, Eind, paragraph 43).

85 Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38 provides that the directive is to apply to all Union citizens who move to or reside in a Member State other than that of which they are a national, and to their family members as defined in point 2 of Article 2 of the directive who accompany or join them.

86 Articles 6 and 7 of Directive 2004/38, relating respectively to the right of residence for up to three months and the right of residence for more than three months, likewise require that the family members of a Union citizen who are not nationals of a Member State ???accompany??? or ???join??? him in the host Member State in order to enjoy a right of residence there.

87 First, none of those provisions requires that the Union citizen must already have founded a family at the time when he moves to the host Member State in order for his family members who are nationals of non-member countries to be able to enjoy the rights established by that directive.

88 By providing that the family members of the Union citizen can join him in the host Member State, the Community legislature, on the contrary, accepted the possibility of the Union citizen not founding a family until after exercising his right of freedom of movement.

89 That interpretation is consistent with the purpose of Directive 2004/38, which aims to facilitate the exercise of the fundamental right of residence of Union citizens in a Member State other than that of which they are a national. Where a Union citizen founds a family after becoming established in the host Member State, the refusal of that Member State to authorise his family members who are nationals of non-member countries to join him there would be such as to discourage him from continuing to reside there and encourage him to leave in order to be able to lead a family life in another Member State or in a non-member country.

90 It must therefore be held that nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen derive from Directive 2004/38 the right to join that Union citizen in the host Member State, whether he has become established there before or after founding a family.

91 Second, it must be determined whether, where the national of a non-member country has entered a Member State before becoming a family member of a Union citizen who resides in that Member State, he accompanies or joins that Union citizen within the meaning of Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38.

92 It makes no difference whether nationals of non-member countries who are family members of a Union citizen have entered the host Member State before or after becoming family members of that Union citizen, since the refusal of the host Member State to grant them a right of residence is equally liable to discourage that Union citizen from continuing to reside in that Member State.

93 Therefore, in the light of the necessity of not interpreting the provisions of Directive 2004/38 restrictively and not depriving them of their effectiveness, the words ???family members [of Union citizens] who accompany ??? them??? in Article 3(1) of that directive must be interpreted as referring both to the family members of a Union citizen who entered the host Member State with him and to those who reside with him in that Member State, without it being necessary, in the latter case, to distinguish according to whether the nationals of non-member countries entered that Member State before or after the Union citizen or before or after becoming his family members.

94 Application of Directive 2004/38 solely to the family members of a Union citizen who ???accompany??? or ???join??? him is thus equivalent to limiting the rights of entry and residence of family members of a Union citizen to the Member State in which that citizen resides.

95 From the time when the national of a non-member country who is a family member of a Union citizen derives rights of entry and residence in the host Member State from Directive 2004/38, that State may restrict that right only in compliance with Articles 27 and 35 of that directive.

96 Compliance with Article 27 is required in particular where the Member State wishes to penalise the national of a non-member country for entering into and/or residing in its territory in breach of the national rules on immigration before becoming a family member of a Union citizen.

97 However, even if the personal conduct of the person concerned does not justify the adoption of measures of public policy or public security within the meaning of Article 27 of Directive 2004/38, the Member State remains entitled to impose other penalties on him which do not interfere with freedom of movement and residence, such as a fine, provided that they are proportionate (see, to that effect, MRAX, paragraph 77 and the case-law cited).

98 Third, neither Article 3(1) nor any other provision of Directive 2004/38 contains requirements as to the place where the marriage of the Union citizen and the national of a non-member country is solemnised.

99 The answer to the second question must therefore be that Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38 must be interpreted as meaning that a national of a non-member country who is the spouse of a Union citizen residing in a Member State whose nationality he does not possess and who accompanies or joins that Union citizen benefits from the provisions of that directive, irrespective of when and where their marriage took place and of how the national of a non-member country entered the host Member State.

The third question

100 In view of the answer to the second question, there is no need to answer the third question.

Costs

101 Since these proceedings are, for the parties to the main proceedings, a step in the action pending before the national court, the decision on costs is a matter for that court. Costs incurred in submitting observations to the Court, other than the costs of those parties, are not recoverable.

On those grounds, the Court (Grand Chamber) hereby rules:

1. Directive 2004/38/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004 on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States amending Regulation (EEC) No 1612/68 and repealing Directives 64/221/EEC, 68/360/EEC, 72/194/EEC, 73/148/EEC, 75/34/EEC, 75/35/EEC, 90/364/EEC, 90/365/EEC and 93/96/EEC precludes legislation of a Member State which requires a national of a non-member country who is the spouse of a Union citizen residing in that Member State but not possessing its nationality to have previously been lawfully resident in another Member State before arriving in the host Member State, in order to benefit from the provisions of that directive.

2. Article 3(1) of Directive 2004/38 must be interpreted as meaning that a national of a non-member country who is the spouse of a Union citizen residing in a Member State whose nationality he does not possess and who accompanies or joins that Union citizen benefits from the provisions of that directive, irrespective of when and where their marriage took place and of how the national of a non-member country entered the host Member State.

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Post by Lynette » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:18 pm

Hi there,
My husband and I wish to move to Ireland, County Louth, end November. I am the non-EU member and my husband holds a German Passport. I was so glad to hear about the ruling in July (last month) as we will be entering Ireland from South Africa. I would just like some clarification about something! I know I would have to complete the relevant EU1 Form in order to acquire a Stamp 4 (EU4Fam) which means I obtain a Residence Card for 5 years, after which I can apply for permanent residence. I know this can take up to 6 maybe 8 months, but if the non-EU family member has the same rights as the EU member, does this mean I can find a job whilst awaiting my Residence Card. Please let me know.
Thanks Lynette

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Post by ca.funke » Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:36 pm

Hi Lynette,

please read my post here.

My interpretation is, that you are allowed to work immediately, however the Irish authorities will deny you that right.

If my interpretation is correct, you will be able to claim compensation for this illegal behavior of the Irish authorities through the courts, however so far it seems like no-one tried this.

:(

When you arrive, try to insist on getting a Stamp4, should you not get it automatically.

Good luck!

PS: For the time when you will finally get your EU4Fam, make sure your passport is valid as long as possible, as EU4Fam is limited to 5 years OR the expiry-date of your passport.

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Post by Dimy77 » Wed Aug 27, 2008 3:35 pm

Long time since I posted here, my wife received a stamp 4 for 2 years at the end of last year. She was denied the 5 year stamp because we didn't live in another member state, but due to the circumstances of our case they gave her the stamp 4 for 2 years.

Anyways, today we received a letter from DoJ as a result of this court case. We need to provide them with evidence that we live on the same address (so copy of bank statement/household bill etc) and send them these documents within 10 working days.

The letter didn't say anything else though, anyone else who got this letter? And does this mean they will now give her the "real deal" stamp 4 for 5 years as well?

Thx,
Dimitry

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Post by joelsut » Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:08 pm

I received a letter today from DOJ today saying my EU1 application has been approved.

I was previously denied in 09/2007 due to not living in another member state. My original application was March 2007.

They backdated the approval to 09/2007 (6 months from original application) and is good for 5 years from that date.

I hope others who have been waiting as long as we have get the same good new soon.

-Joel

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other implications of judgement

Post by Grendels » Fri Apr 23, 2010 11:10 am

Hi all

I know this is an old post, but it seemed the best place for my query. I am wondering whether this judgement affects the necessity of exercising Treaty Rights in order for a non-EU spouse to qualify for the Stamp 4EUFAM card. For example, I am a non-EU spouse of an Irish citizen and we live in Ireland. Is the only way to get a 4EUFAM card for the Irish citizen to exercise his treaty rights (i.e. by working in another country)? Or is this no longer necessary?

Any advice appreciated - thanks

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Re: other implications of judgement

Post by Ben » Fri Apr 23, 2010 12:06 pm

Hi Grendels.
Grendels wrote:I am a non-EU spouse of an Irish citizen and we live in Ireland. Is the only way to get a 4EUFAM card for the Irish citizen to exercise his treaty rights (i.e. by working in another country)?
That is correct. The Metock judgement doesn't change this.
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Re: other implications of judgement

Post by Grendels » Fri Apr 23, 2010 1:08 pm

Ben wrote:That is correct. The Metock judgement doesn't change this.
Thanks for clarifying, Ben.

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Post by cocoa123 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:10 pm

After living legally in another EU country continuously for 5 years, your non-EU spouse, (grand)children or (grand)parents automatically acquire the right of permanent residence there without having to meet any further conditions - they can stay as long as they want even if they don't work and need income support.
...
Permanent residence card
Towards the end of their 5th year of continuous legal residence your non-EU spouse, (grand) children or (grand) parents should apply to the authorities for a permanent residence card.
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The card should be valid for 10 years and is automatically renewable without ay condition or requirement.
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If you have problems getting a permanent residence card for your non-EU spouse, (grand)children or (grand)parents, you can call on our assistance service.
Just wondering if the quoted above is implemented and working in Ireland? non-EU EUFam get their permanent residence in Eire after 5 years of residence as it ruled by EU Directive?

http://ec.europa.eu/youreurope/citiz...parents_en.htm

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Post by rk20 » Sun Aug 28, 2011 3:10 pm

My query is that I was given a 5 year EUFAM stamp. since I was refused initially I was later granted the Visa which was backdated a year. In this case I have a letter which says I can get stamp for 5 years which has been backdated 1 year therefore the passpost is going to have only 4 year stamps. does this mean I can apply for the citizenship after the expiry of the Visa or will I have to wait another year, since passport has only 4 year endoesement

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Re: Hi,

Post by rlow68 » Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:27 pm

rk20 wrote:My query is that I was given a 5 year EUFAM stamp. since I was refused initially I was later granted the Visa which was backdated a year. In this case I have a letter which says I can get stamp for 5 years which has been backdated 1 year therefore the passpost is going to have only 4 year stamps. does this mean I can apply for the citizenship after the expiry of the Visa or will I have to wait another year, since passport has only 4 year endoesement
I believe you will need to wait another year, as the Dept only count the stamp on the passport

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