Pakistani Birth Cert Verification

bluesky1 wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 24, 2020 4:46 pm

Got an email today stating.

There have been unanticipated delays in processing your online passport application whilst the Passport Service verifies your Birth Certificate with the authorities in Pakistan.

The Passport Service apologises for this inconvenience and will make every effort to have this resolved in a timely manner.

Where the hell have then sent the verification

So basically even your second application for passport is gone to pending stage awaiting birth certificate verification ?

Absolutely. There is no way around it n guys could you please confirm if the birth certificate that u guys submitted with ur application was it verfied by mofa or just a simple original copy like mine?

bluesky1 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:11 pm

Absolutely. There is no way around it n guys could you please confirm if the birth certificate that u guys submitted with ur application was it verfied by mofa or just a simple original copy like mine?

Mine was not verified by M/O Foreign Affairs, Islamabad but it was computerized and issued by a Secretary Union Council on behalf of NADRA

Mine was same and I just confirmed with a friend of mine whos was same n not verified etc still his application got sorted within 4 weeks so I wonder r they randomly picking application to just delay them.

bluesky1 wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:09 pm

Mine was same and I just confirmed with a friend of mine whos was same n not verified etc still his application got sorted within 4 weeks so I wonder r they randomly picking application to just delay them.

I think this is new equality in Ireland they pick randomly some applicants like Dept. Of Justice just put them in a limbo for an uncertain period for no reason especially voiceless people. They took years to finalised our applications for the cert. of naturalisation and now passport service starts to discriminate us on the same principle essentially they declared us guilty until proven innocent however I think law works other way around but may be we all want to avoid unnecessary litigation with the authorities and they know very well our weaknesses.

If someone have any further update on the topic, please share here. Thanks

Hy everyone,

I am sad to know that the application was returned from passport office due to non verification. I would like to confirm that the various EU Countries do verify the Birth Certificate issued by NADRA through Union Council. I tell you the real incidence which happened and after this you can deduce your results.
Few years back, 2013, I was getting birth certificate from my children from local union council in Multan. I was applying for their Irish visa. The Union Council officer was my friend. Everything was going good. He printed out the birth certificate. Suddenly a Pakistani man with formal dressing entered the Union Council office and told that he is commissioned by the ITALIAN EMBASSY in Pakistan to verify a birth certificates of a child whose Father is an Italian citizen and he had applied for the citizenship for his child in Italy. That person from Italian Embassy showed his ID, a letter from Embassy and also a letter from NADRA. In addition after few minutes my friend FROM UNION COUNCIL received a call from his boss to let that person check the record. It was all an official script and drill.

What afterwards happened is the most interesting.

That person asked my friend to bring the file of the child. My friend pulled up the file and presented to him. He started to find faults. He said where is the birth letter from a hospital of this child? Where are the copies ID CARD of his dad and uncle etc. Similarly he asked other questions. Finally he asked my friend did you get extra money to issue this birth certificate? He took all the photos of the files and documents with camera and went away.
Now you can have a idea that all the birth certificates are checked through Union Council

Our local council secretory also did mention that they would normally get verification request from Italy but never got one from Ireland or UK or any other country so dont know if this something Irish has started as well or they have some other way.

We don’t know yet, when & what method Irish passport service has initiated for the Verification of our passport. In order to solve this mystery we have to take some legal course of action such as FOI. I believe once we have real information we will be able to pursue the matter.

I agree but I think we may not get much out of FOI as itnwould only mention that the cert is sent for verification. It may not clarify when where why when is it gone to.

Btw did anyone tried submitting a new birth cert verfied by MOFA and Pak embassy in Ireland. Do we know if they r accepting or considering it?

Seems like even submitting a verified certificate may not work for us. I have got this reply to my enquiry about submiting a verified certificate. I wonder if they r verifying everyones certificate how come only a handful of us r suffering.

The Passport Service apologises for the delay in having your documents verified.
As per previous email the department has the duty to verifiy the documents as standard procedure and therefore any further documents you wish to submit will still need to be verified via the same process. Please note every effort is being made to have this resolved in a timely manner.

I wonder the Irish passport service has ever verified the birth certificate before or they just started now in the era of pandemic and whether they got verification for everyone to maintain equality or they just picked randomly some people to punish or this is a just bureaucratic riddle to put aside their own pressure of work on some applicants in the Covid situation? Because I never understand what INIS did before granting a certificate of naturalisation during 3-4 years of processing of naturalisation applications or even before granting visas/resident cards especially on long term basis permissions in the state.

I agree this is so frustrating that even being citizens now we r being deprived of a basic right of having a passport and not been able to travel for last so many months coz of this. I highly doubt that they verified every single certificate since most people from same country got there applications sorted without trouble.

Please share here if someone got money back from passport service for previously cancelled applications.

No refund yet. They r probably going to verify that as well to make sure we earned the paid money the right way and possibly show them the exact log of work we did to earn that money only than they will refund it maibe when we r retired probably.
They have certainly found another way to delay things and make people suffer n beg them

100% agree. I think we have no other option except wait and see their efficiency. Moreover currently they have a big excuse of Covid 19 which is still on the rise in Ireland.

Any news from Passport Service?

Still processing application no news whats so ever. Have u guys reapplied or no?

Please guys ,go to Pakistan embassy and or complain to PM.

If you keep suffering,your juniors will suffer too .

If you work collectively now ,your future followers and fellows will benefit.

Even if you call Embassy and explain what is happening to you ,they may help you.

Alternatively call PM house or complain on the PM portle

Cheers

I have already complaint to PM portal and after few weeks got a call from someone saying we have nothing to do with this normally embassy do there verification at union council so they cant help.
Called embassy as well thry said they got no such request and suggested I submit a new certificate to passport office with verification from MOFA Pakistan and from the embassy. Currently working on it so lets see but again the passport office has already told me that whatever document I will submitt will need verification so Im not sure even this will help.
There is no way they would have verified everyones certificate if that was the case how come only few r suffering and most have there passports already.

I think they meant, any foreign embassy not Pakistani embassy used to verify birth certificates directly from union council, although it is not proper or may not be legal. In my opinion as Irish passport services told you “they are in contact with NADRA Pakistan for the purpose of verification of your birth cert.” forward the same email or letter whatever you receive from Irish passport service to NADRA or PM portal and then let see what is their stance on it?
Otherwise under FOI get real information from Irish Passport Service and it is better higher a Solicitor for this purpose and request for only particular information for example when and where you sent my birth cert. for verification, clearly tell them don’t want copies of own application and documents.

Reapplied. At present how many days they are taking to update the status online for the application? Documents delivered to them today bit status still coming as application on hold pending document

Blessings123 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:22 pm

Reapplied. At present how many days they are taking to update the status online for the application? Documents delivered to them today bit status still coming as application on hold pending document

Have you checked the status of your online application yet. I think as soon as they open received documents, they will updated status.

When applied first time it was updated very next day when they received document but second time it took them 2-3 days. Did u guys get ur refund yet or not.

This is extreamly frustrating and unfair what they r doing with us on the name of covid and verification. Considering the hand written old records in Pakistan, I wonder if they find a spelling mistake or some other minor discripency in the records in union council what will they do? R they just going to refuse issuing the passport which should be the basic right of any citizen either born or naturalized.

No body knows how and what Irish Passport Service want to achieve by this birth certificate verification because we already given them a Pakistani computerized readable passport which can not be issued without the validity of your CNIC & Birth Certificate (means your Nationality) i.e. is also computerized. I don't know what will happen if some one born before Pakistan's birth? As for as I know in Pakistan registration of birth records has only been started since 1974 with Provincial Health Departments and computerized record keeping has only been started since 2007 under (Late Entry).