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Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

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Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by SlavAlmighty » Tue May 04, 2021 2:18 pm

Hi I found myself in a tricky situation.

My long term girlfriend went back to Venezuela to take care of her mother(we met in spain).
Now we are trying to find a way to get her to Ireland.
I am not against us even getting married just to make the whole process easier.

Now situation in Venezuela is that the closest Irish embassy is in Brazil/Mexico. But I think if we apply for somekind of visa she will need to send her documents to Mexico.

She is actually afraid to send her documents as passports are very valuable asset to have in Venezuela. Is there a way to avoid sending documents to Mexico and maybe have her fly to Spain/Portugal (no Visa needed). Then get married and then at last try to fly to Dublin. Will she be refused to board the plane to Ireland? Or I was even thinking to drive a car and get onto the ferry and then just get her inside the country.

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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by Obie » Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 pm

She cannot just come on the ferry, as Venezuela national citizens need visa to enter Ireland.

You will need to apply visa for her after she enters Spain. Once your marriage is over of course.
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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by SlavAlmighty » Thu May 13, 2021 10:22 am

I noticed that Venezuelan citizen do not need transit Visa. Idea is for her to travel to Caracas > Madrid. And we will take the ferry to Ireland then fly from Dublin to Croatia (she doesnt need visa for Croatia). My question is will she be allowed to enter Ireland providing all the documents (flights and documents supporting that I will support her financially) then we will fly to croatia)?

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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by littlerr » Thu May 13, 2021 12:24 pm

As Obie mentioned, she needs a visa. She will not be allowed to board the ferry. Even if she somehow manages to board it, she will not be allowed to enter the country and will most likely be deported right away.

I don’t understand the logic either. Why so much hassle to get to Croatia? Why not just flying from Caracas to Dubrovnik? A SkyScanner search shows a lot of feasible flights with in-terminal transit which will not require a visa.

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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by Obie » Thu May 13, 2021 1:02 pm

The 1st bet is correct, she will not be able to enter the ferry. If she does enter Irish shores then it is a different matter, as under EU law, Ireland cannot deport her if she is a family of an EU citizen and is accompanying that EU citizen.

Unlike the Juxtapost system between UK and EU when UK was part of EU, and EU family member without visa can seek entry at Calais, I am not sure similar arrangements exist with Ireland.

She will need to secure a visa to prevent disruption to her travel plans.
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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by littlerr » Thu May 13, 2021 2:54 pm

Obie wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 1:02 pm
The 1st bet is correct, she will not be able to enter the ferry. If she does enter Irish shores then it is a different matter, as under EU law, Ireland cannot deport her if she is a family of an EU citizen and is accompanying that EU citizen.

Unlike the Juxtapost system between UK and EU when UK was part of EU, and EU family member without visa can seek entry at Calais, I am not sure similar arrangements exist with Ireland.

She will need to secure a visa to prevent disruption to her travel plans.
She's not a family member - not yet, and it would be hard to prove they are durable partners without a marriage certificate.

The other bit I don't understand is why OP wants to travel to Croatia after arriving in Ireland? I thought the whole purpose is to get her to Ireland? Not getting into Ireland and then fly from Dublin to Croatia?

If she doesn't need a visa to travel to Croatia (or Spain/Portugal as the OP previously mentioned), why not just flying there, getting married there and then flying back?

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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by Obie » Thu May 13, 2021 2:58 pm

Well I am proceeding on the basis that a marriage will be taking place before the move to Ireland, as indicated in his post.
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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by SlavAlmighty » Mon May 17, 2021 9:42 am

littlerr wrote:
Thu May 13, 2021 2:54 pm

If she doesn't need a visa to travel to Croatia (or Spain/Portugal as the OP previously mentioned), why not just flying there, getting married there and then flying back?
Are you saying if we get married then fly to Ireland she will not be refused entry to the country?

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Re: Venezuelan longterm GF joining me in Ireland, I am EU

Post by littlerr » Mon May 17, 2021 10:08 am

That’s what Obie said. Not me.
1. She is very likely to be refused boarding without an Irish visa.
2. If she does somehow manage to get to the Irish border by plane or ferry, that’s when the immigration officer has the final say on this. They cannot deny her entry on the sole basis that she doesn’t have a visa, but it is a bit risky.

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