living and working in UK as BEL/BRA

Hello everybody,
I'm a 27 and i'm Belgian, my girlfriend is 29 and she's Brazilian. She works in Rio and i'm still working in Belgium. We have a relationship since november 2014.
But we would like to move to London to work and to go live together. She's architect and i'm system engineer. So London would be a great city to expand our careers.

But we are looking what will be the best to go both to London and live together. As I'm Belgian, i don't need a Visum. But my girlfriend does.
Does someone know what kind of Visum she would need to have in first place? Or what kind of steps does she / we need to take to go to London?

kind regards,
Dietrich

dietrich_c wrote:Hello everybody,
I'm a 27 and i'm Belgian, my girlfriend is 29 and she's Brazilian. She works in Rio and i'm still working in Belgium. We have a relationship since november 2014.
But we would like to move to London to work and to go live together. She's architect and i'm system engineer. So London would be a great city to expand our careers.

But we are looking what will be the best to go both to London and live together. As I'm Belgian, i don't need a Visum. But my girlfriend does.
Does someone know what kind of Visum she would need to have in first place? Or what kind of steps does she / we need to take to go to London?

kind regards,
Dietrich

I think you mean 'visa'.

There is no boyfriend/girlfriend type of visa, either under EU or UK immigration routes.
If you are in a durable relationship 'akin to marriage' then partner can apply for family permit, FP.

HO plays hardball with the EU rules so you will need good, if not unimpeachable, supporting evidence;
for example, evidence of cohabitation for around 2+ years.

When FP is granted come to UK.
You then start exercising treaty rights asap as a qualified person; (eg as a worker).
Partner needs to apply for a residence card, RC as an 'extended family member' of you, her EEA sponsor.

That's it. Oh, suggest she brings warm jacket.

Alternatively, take a leap of faith and marry.

noajthan wrote:I think you mean 'visa'.

This exchange had me look at the etymology of "visa". While it is assumed that Latin words ending in "a" are a plural of words ending in "um" (so, for instance, agendum is the correct word to describe an agenda with just one point of discussion, as mentioned by Sir Humphrey in "Yes Prime Minister"), in this case visa comes from the Latin "charta visa", literally "paper than has been seen". and It is thus etymologically related to words like 'view' and 'vision'.

The Latin adjective has thus evolved into an independent English noun and in this case, "visa" is a singular noun.

As an aside, one of the professors I studied under had explained the correct plural of referendum.

Returning to the topic, to the OP, you are not in a relationship that counts for the purpose of applying for a visa. Such a relationship requires at least some period of cohabitation.

What you may wish to explore is to move to another EEA country (not the UK or Belgium) and see if they would issue your friend a visa on the basis of a "durable relationship". Once they do and she arrives in the EU, she can acquire the Residence Card of that EU country and use that to enter the UK.

secret.simon wrote:

noajthan wrote:I think you mean 'visa'.

This exchange had me look at the etymology of "visa". While it is assumed that Latin words ending in "a" are a plural of words ending in "um" (so, for instance, agendum is the correct word to describe an agenda with just one point of discussion, as mentioned by Sir Humphrey in "Yes Prime Minister"), in this case visa comes from the Latin "charta visa", literally "paper than has been seen". and It is thus etymologically related to words like 'view' and 'vision'.

The Latin adjective has thus evolved into an independent English noun and in this case, "visa" is a singular noun.

As an aside, one of the professors I studied under had explained the correct plural of referendum.

Returning to the topic, to the OP, you are not in a relationship that counts for the purpose of applying for a visa. Such a relationship requires at least some period of cohabitation.

What you may wish to explore is to move to another EEA country (not the UK or Belgium) and see if they would issue your friend a visa on the basis of a "durable relationship". Once they do and she arrives in the EU, she can acquire the Residence Card of that EU country and use that to enter the UK.

Visum is also an Afrikaans (language only applicable in South Africa) word for visa. Belgium (being Flemish is some parts) and Holland (Dutch being the closest language to Afrikaans), likely also use this phrase.

Lucky I didn't say anything about the 'dirty knife'.

Back to OP, this may help you get your head round free movement & bring you up to speed:
http://ec.europa.eu/justice/citizen/doc ... 013_en.pdf

Also it's 'Panino' - 'Panini' is plural.

Hello,

thanks for the answers so far. To give a bit more clarity: I still live and work in Belgium. My girlfriend lives and works in Rio. We have a relationship since november 2014, but as far as I read, this doesn't count as 'durable' ?
On the other hand, my girlfriend has been here on vacations around 4 times. And I've been in Rio around 5 times. Can this be a kind of argument of proof?

Can she ask a work permit before having a job in UK? So as soon she's in London she can start looking for a job. Or you can only get a work permit as soon you have a job?

kind regards,
Dietrich

dietrich_c wrote:Hello,

thanks for the answers so far. To give a bit more clarity: I still live and work in Belgium. My girlfriend lives and works in Rio. We have a relationship since november 2014, but as far as I read, this doesn't count as 'durable' ?
On the other hand, my girlfriend has been here on vacations around 4 times. And I've been in Rio around 5 times. Can this be a kind of argument of proof?

Can she ask a work permit before having a job in UK? So as soon she's in London she can start looking for a job. Or you can only get a work permit as soon you have a job?

kind regards,
Dietrich

A durable relationship means living together for 24 months with proof as man and wife in most cases. For a work permit (Tier 2) she would need a licensed sponsor to offer he a role, and for that she'd need to be highly skilled and the role advertised to UK and EU applicants first. Or if the role is on the shortage list no need for the labour test but obviously needs to have a very desirable hard to find skill.

dietrich_c wrote:Hello everybody,
I'm a 27 and i'm Belgian, my girlfriend is 29 and she's Brazilian. She works in Rio and i'm still working in Belgium.

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But we are looking what will be the best to go both to London and live together. As I'm Belgian, i don't need a Visum. But my girlfriend does.
Does someone know what kind of Visum she would need to have in first place? Or what kind of steps does she / we need to take to go to London?

kind regards,
Dietrich

Interestingly Brazil is listed as being visa-free for the UK:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requ ... n_citizens

So it appears that not even a FP would be required for initial entry.

Ofcourse after the initial 3 months (or would she be stamped in with 6 months) 'grace period', gf, as an extended family member of an EEA national, is expected to apply for a RC.
That is when proof of a relationship 'akin to marriage' would have to be submitted.