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Thorsten von Thyssen
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Posted December 08, 2003 10:55 AM
£500 charge to work in UK

Migrants must pay one-off fee to raise revenue


The home secretary, David Blunkett, plans to impose a £500 surcharge on each of the 900,000 migrants who enter Britain each year to work, study or join family members, the Guardian has learned.

The surcharge is expected to raise £450m a year, a quarter of the £1.8bn annual cost of Britain's immigration and asylum system.

Home Office officials claim it is justified to impose a surcharge on migrants because they will make a "windfall gain through being granted access to the UK labour market".

The £500 is on top of the £155 for work and study permits now being phased in. The surcharge is in the smallprint of Mr Blunkett's immigration and asylum bill, which gets its second reading in the Commons next week.

The Home Office admits that the main motive is "an ongoing need to raise revenue". The pressure on ministers to make their policies self financing will be underlined when the chancellor confirms the tight nature of the public finances in his pre-Budget report on Wednesday.

The disclosure of the charges is expected to provoke protests by MPs and by businesses which rely on migrant workers. The increases will be phased in to dilute their impact.

"Economic migrants benefit in many ways working in the UK, over and above a higher salary expectation, and it is appropriate to pass on some of the costs of these benefits onto migrants through a further one-off charge upon application," says a Home Office background document.

"Similarly there are sound economic and presentational grounds for considering additional charges. It is both fair and economically efficient that government in raising revenue should look to appropriate the windfall gain that migrants derive."

The cost of a work permit is already due to rise from £95 to £125 in April. The surcharge will take the total cost to £625, a fivefold increase. Officials point out that Australia, for example, charges its economic migrants £770 to enter.

Those who come to study in Britain, join family members, or apply to become British citizens will pay £655 instead of the current £155. Those whose applications are refused would be refunded the surcharge.

Asylum seekers will be exempt. But the fees will also be paid by the 18,000 people a year who need to have official "leave to remain" stamps transferred to their passports.

The power to impose the extra charges is in the new legislation, but it fails to specify their likely scale. That is only disclosed in a technical Home Office document, the "regulatory impact assessment", which was published unannounced days after publication of the asylum bill.

The Home Office's technical assessment says that there is a risk that, if the fees are set too high, they will encourage illegal entry, overstaying and working, or that they will deter potential migrants.

Officials admit that higher charges could have a negative impact on securing the people and skills that the economy needs. They are looking at a "differential fee structure" so that those the UK wants to attract to work in Britain would be charged less. They are also considering easing the restrictions on employers who recruit from abroad, in return for the higher charges.

The need for revenue-raising in Mr Blunkett's "tough 'n' tender" asylum and immigration package follows the Treasury's insistence that it will not use taxpayers' money to fund a compulsory identity card scheme, and the row over tuition fees to fund expansion of higher education.

(Source: Guardian, 7/12/2003)

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zimbo
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Member # 7308
Posted December 09, 2003 11:45 AM
Thyssen,

Quite right that the government is trying to cash in on immigration windfall, provided it means I pay less TAX. If imigration (HO) becomes self funding, it means that money can be spent on fighting Crime, Education etc. Unfortunately politicians have their own agenda! I am sure money would be diverted to some ridiculous cause (Increase Benefits).

Maybe privatise HO (Leave WP, as they do good/intelligent job) altogether!

Cheerios

Zimbo

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antipodean
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Member # 2155
Posted December 09, 2003 11:50 AM
I don't think the charge will end up a £500 flat fee. Makes more sense if categories such as WHV, student, etc are cheaper than work permit, ILR, nationality, etc.

Guess I'm quite lucky as I've managed to avoid the worst of the fees (ancestry was about £50, ILR was free, naturalisation was £150). Not sure I would have paid £500 for nationality. I was hesitant just to pay £150!

Thorsten von Thyssen
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Member # 4397
Posted December 09, 2003 12:07 PM
I think that the charge will end up at more than £500. Once the Government gets used to "easy money" it is very difficult to stop.

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Subbukwt
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Posted December 09, 2003 12:10 PM
Thyssen - thanks for the posting of this article.
Would you know if this is likely to be applied to HSMP migrants as well? If so, when and under what circumstances?

Many thanks.

Thorsten von Thyssen
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Member # 4397
Posted December 09, 2003 12:23 PM
Subbkwt,

It is to early to determine the particulars of the new charge.

The charging power will be included in the new Immigration Bill laid before parliament.

The details of the charge will be specified in regulations (SIs) after the bill receives Royal ascent.

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Subbukwt
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Posted December 09, 2003 12:52 PM
Fine. Thanks.
anonymous
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Posted December 10, 2003 11:16 PM
The Guardian report seems to be confusing. In the beginning it says that this proposed charge applies to new entrants to the UK. Somewhere in the middle it says that new applicants for British Citizenship would also have to pay the above fee. How is that possible? Is there any category under which a new entrant to the UK can apply for British Citizenship? Or does it mean that the new entrants have to pay the fee twice - once when they enter the country and again when they apply for naturalization?

Or am I missing something?

[ December 10, 2003: Message edited by: anonymous ]

SmokeyD
Junior Member
Member # 7311
Posted December 10, 2003 11:58 PM
I'm not saying I like the idea of having to pay more to enter the UK, but it did strike me as odd that the immigration services in Britain charged so little in fees compared to countries like USA and Canada.

Well, I guess this bit of news puts and end to my worries, if you know what I mean.

Thorsten von Thyssen
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Posted December 11, 2003 09:38 AM
Annonmous,
You can rest assured that IND will charge anyone they can (apart from tourists).

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Joseph01
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Posted December 11, 2003 12:41 PM
Thorsten and others

Here is the bad news in the draft Bill for all to see:

quote:

Fees
20 Fees
(1) In prescribing a fee for an application or process under a provision specified in
subsection (2) the Secretary of State may, with the consent of the Treasury,
prescribe an amount which is intended to—
(a) exceed the administrative costs of determining the application or
undertaking the process, and
(b) reflect benefits that the Secretary of State thinks are likely to accrue to
the person who makes the application, to whom the application relates
or by or for whom the process is undertaken, if the application is
successful or the process is completed.
(2) Those provisions are—
(a) section 41(2) of the British Nationality Act 1981 (c. 61) (fees for
applications, &c. under that Act),
(b) section 5(1)(a) and (b) of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 (fees for
application for leave to remain, &c.), and
(c) section 122 of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (c. 41)
(fees for work permit, &c.).
(3) An Order in Council under section 1 of the Consular Fees Act 1980 (c. 23) (fees)
which prescribes a fee in relation to an application for the issue of a certificate
under section 10 of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002 (right
of abode: certificate of entitlement) may prescribe an amount which is intended
to—
(a) exceed the administrative costs of determining the application, and
(b) reflect benefits that in the opinion of Her Majesty in Council are likely
to accrue to the applicant if the application is successful.
(4) Where an instrument prescribes a fee in reliance on this section it may include
provision for the refund, where an application is unsuccessful or a process is
not completed, of that part of the fee which is intended to reflect the matters
specified in subsection (1)(b) or (3)(b).
(5) Provision included by virtue of subsection (4)—
(a) may determine, or provide for the determination of, the amount to be
refunded;
(b) may confer a discretion on the Secretary of State or another person
(whether in relation to determining the amount of a refund or in
relation to determining whether a refund should be made).

It seems to me that the answer to anonymous's question is clear: They can charge extra fees on each and all steps of the process:

1. Work permits and HSMP
2. Leave to remain and ILR
3. Nationality
4. Right of Abode

This Act doesn't mean they will charge the fees. But it gives them the power to do so on short notice, with only consultation with the Treasury. It stands to reason that they will go relatively light on certain programs like HSMP where they are trying to encourage migrants, but you never know.


The only consolation is that the extra fee might be refunded if the application is unsuccessful.

Joseph

FrankGrote
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Member # 7315
Posted December 11, 2003 03:54 PM
UK should do just the opposite instead of vharging new immigrants the Brits should support financially immigrants because we have tough time to settle in a new homeland.
In USA immigrants are given more benifits than citizens.
Special federal funds are deployed to help new immigrants to educate themselves and find a job.
Free training including university study is available for immigrants or refugees only.
You get additional point at university admission if you have an immigrant status.
Immigrants are elidible for free healthcare, rent-freeze and other affirmative actions.
The UK government and the citizens of UK should support immigrants the same as American citizen do otherwise the Brits will have to be considered racists.
FrankGrote
Junior Member
Member # 7315
Posted December 11, 2003 03:57 PM
UK should do just the opposite instead of charging new immigrants fees, the Brits should support financially immigrants because we have tough time to settle in a new homeland.
In USA immigrants are given more benefits than citizens.
Special federal funds are deployed to help new immigrants to educate themselves and find a job in US.
Citizens are not eligible.
Free training including university study is available for immigrants or refugees only.
You get additional point at university admission if you have an immigrant status.
Immigrants are eligible for free healthcare, rent-freeze and other affirmative actions.
The UK government and the citizens of UK should support immigrants the same way as American citizen do otherwise the Brits will have to be considered racist nation.
antipodean
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Member # 2155
Posted December 11, 2003 04:01 PM
I don't know about free grants etc. but I think some kind of tax credit/deduction would be in order to compensate for the fact that we have not cost tax payers anything to educate during childhood. Also it is a bit mean to expect foreigners on workpermits and others staying for limited periods to pay NI when not even eligible for benefits!

Problem is while there are still many people lining up to enter the UK and prepared to pay for the privilege the UK goverment will of course happily take the fees.

Interesting the the USA positively helps new immigrants, I didn't know that.

Joseph01
Member
Member # 7141
Posted December 11, 2003 07:07 PM
I'm glad I'm already a US citizen and don't ever have to immigrate into the USA. Everybody tells me what a pain it is, especially during the last few years!
Joseph
Cosmopol
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Member # 7165
Posted December 11, 2003 07:37 PM
It is often a pain, and a long one at that, too. UK approach in many instances is superb in comparison, especially processing times. I have friends who've waited years (!) for their clean and straight PR or citizenship applications to be processed. And yes, there are fees for most of the services - work permit, green cards and other petitions, including fees for visitor visas.

Quite importantly, working on a visa in the US does not lead to settlement, even if one worked for 15 years, changing employers along the way. Although there is an opportunity to apply for PR based on employment, it is the employer who can apply, not the beneficiary.

On top of other things, the US government assesses a fee of US$1,000 in addition to the regular fee (over $200) for those who are applying to adjust status to PR after violating some of the stay provisions.

As for services and benefits available to immigrants, only part of it is good news. The deal is, most of the breaks are available to help one not fall below certain standard, and join the American "bandwagon". Once you aspire to lead a decent life by western standards (education, healthcare, etc.) it's the same marketplace for all. At that point, one may have certain advantages being a minority or other "protected class" member, but that happens regardless of the immigrant status.

Finally, I'd like to defend the UK against allegations of racism. Given that it is not traditionally an immigrant country, and given the background of Europe, of which it is part, Britain comes across as one of the most free, democratic, open and just countries one may think of, including its immigration policies. However they decide to deal with it in budgetary terms, it's infinitely better than a stone wall. If you doubt that -- just try getting a job (and an immigrant status) in France or the like.

[ December 11, 2003: Message edited by: Cosmopol ]

Joseph01
Member
Member # 7141
Posted December 11, 2003 11:00 PM
Well said, Cosmopol.
Joseph
SmokeyD
Junior Member
Member # 7311
Posted December 12, 2003 02:45 AM
I've been living and working in the USA for four years now, and compared to other countries like Canada and UK, I think, on average, it takes much longer for an immigrant to settle down here. Further, the immigration services in USA (BCIS) has designed a system that is full of difficult rules. One mistake and you're out.

I understand that in order to maintain a minimum 'quality level' of immigrants, certain filteration systems are required. However, when one is well-educated, has experience and has been invited by a US firm, you expect certain rights.

Put simply, compare these facts:

1. On an H1B visa in USA, your spouse is not allowed to work till she or he gets a H1B. In UK or Canada, your spouse can work when you are on a work permit.

2. The H1B is limited to a term of 6 years. If the employer wants to extend it beyond that, the employee has to leave USA for an entire year and then a re-application for another H1B has to be made.

3. There is a quota on the number of H1Bs issued every year: currently, 65,000. This quota is filled rapidly. If you don't make the cut, you may have to wait 8 or 9 months before you get one. Good luck on on your employer waiting in these post 9/11 days for 8 months.

4. To become a permanent resident, you have to apply for a green card. Dependng on which country you are from, it may take 2 to 3 or even more years to get one. And once you've applied, you have to stick with the same employer (assuming of course that the green card is under the professional worker category - the majority of them are) till you get the green card or else you have to start all over again. People who have applied have been out of a job by the time they got their green card - which means the BCIS has legal grounds to deny the green card. Worse, you have to make sure that you have a valid work visa or some other visa that allows you to stay the length of the time it takes to get a green card.

4. Judgements on work visas and green cards are based on the discretion of the immigration officers. They do everything from issuing ridiculous refusals to requesting evidence for something that has already been provided with the application. This only delays and frustrates applicants. Try contacting BCIS if you have a query and you'll go crazy just trying to find a number to call.

5. Unlike the HSMP or the Canada immigration application, there are very few people skilled enough and successful in applying for a US work or permanenr visa without the help of an attorney.

6. The worst are the arbitary rules. These are rules which do not exist on paper but are made up as situations demand. Case in point: to get a visa 'stamp' if you're planning to say, go to the US embassy in Toronto instead of flying back home to wherever you're from, make sure your last degree earned is from the USA. Otherwise there are high chances that your visa will be refused. Remeber, there is no legal base for this rule. This means from Canada, you now have to fly back to your home country to get a stamp. But even there, because you now have a 'visa denied' stamp on your passport, you have a harrowing time getting a visa. Meanwhile, your job, your house, your entire life is waiting for you in the USA.

There are many more examples. In this economy, unless you alreday have a green card, it's not going to be easy to settle down in USA as an immigrant. H1B holders, do not get anything - no unemployment benefit (and anyway, if they lose their jobs, they have to leave the country in 10 days), no social security, no Medicare - instead you pay for all these. Which is okay since it is the price you pay for the privilege of working in USA.

That said, having compared between UK, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, I think the UK immigration system is much more inclined, at least now, to help immigrants than USA. Canada too is not so bad.

Of course, we all have our own views depending where we come from and what experience we've had.

Just thought I'd share some the things I know.

SmokeyD

Cosmopol
Member
Member # 7165
Posted December 12, 2003 05:12 PM
Joseph -- all said, my post was primarily a response to "allegations" against the UK; I do think very highly of the States. For most of the immigrants I've met over the years here it's the ideal country to live well, to be accepted in society without reservations, to have freedom to be themselves (or (re)discover who they really are), and, of course to make a bigger buck.

As any other country, it is not perfect, cannot be everything for everyone, and may not necessarily fit someone's particular lifestyle, preferences or expectations. I guess, as always, it helps to have choices...

[ December 12, 2003: Message edited by: Cosmopol ]

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