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NZ Partner of EU National wanting to work in France

Post by adamski » Fri May 15, 2009 10:38 am

Hi there,

My name is Adam, I am from the UK. My partner of 4 1/2 years, Fran, is from New Zealand. We are planning to register our partnership, either as a civil union or marriage, within the next 6 months in NZ.

After this, we would like to work in France for 6 months. Having read Directive 2004/38/EC it appears that we have the right to do that.

I have a few questions that I am struggling to to find the answers for, so any advice would be much appreciated.

Would Fran require a visa, if so, which one? A Schengen? 3 month visitor? Work Visa?

Does anyone know if France recognise a NZ civil union as a registered partnership?

Many thanks
Adam
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Re: NZ Partner of EU National wanting to work in France

Post by 86ti » Mon May 18, 2009 9:28 am

adamski wrote:Would Fran require a visa, if so, which one? A Schengen? 3 month visitor? Work Visa?
As a citizen of NZ you won't need a visa as a visitor. But technically you are not a visitor and will enter as the partner of a EU citizen. If you were married you would simply show your marriage certificate as proof when the IO asks you. You may still be able to enter as visitor but I am not sure if the IO would be fine you not having a return ticket. I do not know if France would accept the NZ civil union as equivalent to their own. You best check with the embassy. Once in France you will have to register with the local commune and apply for a residence card.
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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Mon May 18, 2009 5:56 pm

adamski, Why are you posting this question again?
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Post by adamski » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:04 am

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:adamski, Why are you posting this question again?
Erm, I don't quite understand that. I've only asked once. What do you mean?


Anyway, 86ti, thanks for your reply.

For us, the real problem seems to be how to prove to a prospective employer in France that my non-EU partner has the right to work in France. I'm not sure that just providing a marriage certificate is going to be sufficient.

As I understand it (having been to the local Mairie to ask), you don't need a Residence Card to start working, in fact, you need to have started working or at least have a work contract to fill the criteria for getting a Residence Card.

Any more comments are greatly appreciated.
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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:12 am

Maybe you can provide a little more context. Are you both in France right now? Do you have a job? Does your partner have a job or have somebody who wants to hire her?

If you are working, your partner can immiedately apply for a Residence Card. It is your work or self sufficiency that is key.
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Post by adamski » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:15 pm

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:Maybe you can provide a little more context. Are you both in France right now? Do you have a job? Does your partner have a job or have somebody who wants to hire her?

If you are working, your partner can immiedately apply for a Residence Card. It is your work or self sufficiency that is key.
Hi

We are both in NZ at the moment. If we wanted to return to France, we would both have a job to go to. We have been in touch with a company, who would happily employ us both, if my partner was legally allowed to work in France. It would only be for 5 months, so we wouldn't have the time to go through the Residence Card process before starting work. It would really be a case of starting work straight away, then applying for a Residence Card during the first 3 months.

The key factor is being able to prove to our prospective employers that we both have the right to work in France, before we actually get there.
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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:24 pm

Interesting. This is, as far as I know, a bit of a problematic area. How do you (non-EU spouse) prove you can work, when you do not have a Residence Card.

In the UK, the non-EU spouse gets an entry visa (the EEA family permit) which is enough to prove you can work. This does not apply to you (at this point), since you are UK. It will apply for you after you have worked in France (or elsewhere outside the UK).

If your wife wanted to move to Germany, she could apply for a work/residence visa from outside Germany. I believe she could work on arrival in Germany with that.

Is there something similar available from France? Have you talked with the embassy? Should be issued for FREE! Maybe they can recommend something...

It would also be interesting to talk with the employer. Ask what proof they need.

Finally, how long does it take for France to issue a Residence Card?
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