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Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:39 am

Hey all I am in a peculiar situation. My son has got a indian passport, he recently received his Naturalization certificate. Both me and my wife have Indian passports and I have ILR. He had to travel to India urgently, so we are travelling on my Son's Indian passport, as It says we can have 3 months grace period before we surrender Indian passport.
Now my question is
1) do I need to get Right to Abode stamping on my son's passport to get back to UK? How long does it take to get one?
2) Can I apply for British passport for him, from UK while he's abroad? and use the British passport to enter UK? This would mean that we are leaving the country with Indian passport and entering with British passport. Is that allowed. Sorry I am unable to get any answer from home office.

Thanks

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by Ticktack » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:28 am

drshashi wrote:
Sat Jul 09, 2022 12:39 am
Hey all I am in a peculiar situation. My son has got a indian passport, he recently received his Naturalization certificate. Both me and my wife have Indian passports and I have ILR. He had to travel to India urgently, so we are travelling on my Son's Indian passport, as It says we can have 3 months grace period before we surrender Indian passport.
Now my question is
1) do I need to get Right to Abode stamping on my son's passport to get back to UK? How long does it take to get one? It takes up to 6 months.
2) Can I apply for British passport for him, from UK while he's abroad? and use the British passport to enter UK? This would mean that we are leaving the country with Indian passport and entering with British passport. Is that allowed. Sorry I am unable to get any answer from home office.People that have made straight forward applications in the UK are currently having extensive long waits for passport. Expect a very lengthy one for your son. You have to wait till he gets to India first, then he sends his passport down to you. HMPO can then see the Indian stamp on his passport showing that he's out of country.It hurts my head even thinking about the mess you could get entangled with.

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am

Apparently you can't send your passport via courier. You need permission from Passport office. I'm planning to apply for his UK passport via 1 week fast track. I will be providing certified copies of current passport. I am hoping they accept it. I have his old expired foreign passport. Let's see fingers crossed.

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by Ticktack » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:44 am

drshashi wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Apparently you can't send your passport via courier. You need permission from Passport office. I'm planning to apply for his UK passport via 1 week fast track. I will be providing certified copies of current passport. I am hoping they accept it. I have his old expired foreign passport. Let's see fingers crossed.
You need current passport as well. Not just the old one.
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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm

Ticktack wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:44 am
drshashi wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Apparently you can't send your passport via courier. You need permission from Passport office. I'm planning to apply for his UK passport via 1 week fast track. I will be providing certified copies of current passport. I am hoping they accept it. I have his old expired foreign passport. Let's see fingers crossed.
You need current passport as well. Not just the old one.

Hey thanks. I'm facing lot of Anxiety now with this situation. So they refused to take my child's application as the child is not in UK. Now if I apply for Right to Abode entitlement certificate, it might take a long time. I am worried he will miss out on his school. Is there any way we can get it sooner? Also passport advice helpline haven't been helpful, they initially said take copies of current passport, if they don't accept, apply for the passport from overseas. Now I don't know who to believe. Can I apply for UK passport from overseas, even though we don't live in that country? It's very confusing.

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by Ticktack » Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:19 am

drshashi wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm
Ticktack wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:44 am
drshashi wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Apparently you can't send your passport via courier. You need permission from Passport office. I'm planning to apply for his UK passport via 1 week fast track. I will be providing certified copies of current passport. I am hoping they accept it. I have his old expired foreign passport. Let's see fingers crossed.
You need current passport as well. Not just the old one.

Hey thanks. I'm facing lot of Anxiety now with this situation. So they refused to take my child's application as the child is not in UK.That's correct, you can't act as a proxy for your son. To make an application here, applicant has to be here! Now if I apply for Right to Abode entitlement certificate, it might take a long time. I am worried he will miss out on his school. Is there any way we can get it sooner? Also passport advice helpline haven't been helpful, they initially said take copies of current passport, if they don't accept, apply for the passport from overseas. Now I don't know who to believe. Can I apply for UK passport from overseas, even though we don't live in that country?Yes, you can apply from any UK embassy at your (his) current location. It's very confusing.
That's the complexities I was talking about in my previous post. Not sure there's a passport fast track from abroad. It takes as long as it takes.
I hate to be a party pooper, but your son could be out of the UK for a little while.
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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by vinny » Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:27 am

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:05 pm

vinny wrote:
Tue Jul 19, 2022 10:27 am
One member reported CoE-RoA approval within 10 days!
Thanks
I am going to apply for CoE. Fingers crossed. I am also going to give a letter from school. I will try and contact my MP as well. See if they can help..

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:44 pm

Ticktack wrote:
Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:19 am
drshashi wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm
Ticktack wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:44 am
drshashi wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Apparently you can't send your passport via courier. You need permission from Passport office. I'm planning to apply for his UK passport via 1 week fast track. I will be providing certified copies of current passport. I am hoping they accept it. I have his old expired foreign passport. Let's see fingers crossed.
You need current passport as well. Not just the old one.

Hey thanks. I'm facing lot of Anxiety now with this situation. So they refused to take my child's application as the child is not in UK.That's correct, you can't act as a proxy for your son. To make an application here, applicant has to be here! Now if I apply for Right to Abode entitlement certificate, it might take a long time. I am worried he will miss out on his school. Is there any way we can get it sooner? Also passport advice helpline haven't been helpful, they initially said take copies of current passport, if they don't accept, apply for the passport from overseas. Now I don't know who to believe. Can I apply for UK passport from overseas, even though we don't live in that country?Yes, you can apply from any UK embassy at your (his) current location. It's very confusing.
That's the complexities I was talking about in my previous post. Not sure there's a passport fast track from abroad. It takes as long as it takes.
I hate to be a party pooper, but your son could be out of the UK for a little while.
Thanks for your reply mate. Is it okay to apply for UK passport from a country, where you don't live normally. Will they allow us to apply from that country, or will ask us to get CoE for Right to Abode. This is something not entirely clear.

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by Ticktack » Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:40 pm

Thanks for your reply mate. Is it okay to apply for UK passport from a country, where you don't live normally. Will they allow us to apply from that country, or will ask us to get CoE for Right to Abode. This is something not entirely clear.
[/quote]Your child is Indian (heritage), with an Indian passport currently in India. In all ramifications, that's home!
Apart from that, you can apply from a UK embassy anywhere in the world.

Quick scenario, a Brit travels to Russia and loses their passport there. No links to Russia, but there is a British Embassy there. In this case, the Brit would get an emergency passport (the beige one) issued to come home (provided he/she has a previous UK passport). Passport issued (sorta).

The HO always advises that you get your first passport before you travel out of the UK to avoid stories that touch the heart.

The option is yours, you either apply for a passport or CoERoA. The latter is obviously more expensive, and would get cancelled when you do apply for a British Passport as you can't have both.
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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:07 pm

Ticktack wrote:
Wed Jul 20, 2022 12:40 pm
Thanks for your reply mate. Is it okay to apply for UK passport from a country, where you don't live normally. Will they allow us to apply from that country, or will ask us to get CoE for Right to Abode. This is something not entirely clear.
Your child is Indian (heritage), with an Indian passport currently in India. In all ramifications, that's home!
Apart from that, you can apply from a UK embassy anywhere in the world.

Quick scenario, a Brit travels to Russia and loses their passport there. No links to Russia, but there is a British Embassy there. In this case, the Brit would get an emergency passport (the beige one) issued to come home (provided he/she has a previous UK passport). Passport issued (sorta).

The HO always advises that you get your first passport before you travel out of the UK to avoid stories that touch the heart.

The option is yours, you either apply for a passport or CoERoA. The latter is obviously more expensive, and would get cancelled when you do apply for a British Passport as you can't have both.

[/quote]

Thanks for the explanation. I will take a call, I need to get him here asap, whichever is quicker. Not worried about the fees at the moment.

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:48 am

Ticktack wrote:
Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:19 am
drshashi wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm
Ticktack wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:44 am
drshashi wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Apparently you can't send your passport via courier. You need permission from Passport office. I'm planning to apply for his UK passport via 1 week fast track. I will be providing certified copies of current passport. I am hoping they accept it. I have his old expired foreign passport. Let's see fingers crossed.
You need current passport as well. Not just the old one.

Hey thanks. I'm facing lot of Anxiety now with this situation. So they refused to take my child's application as the child is not in UK.That's correct, you can't act as a proxy for your son. To make an application here, applicant has to be here! Now if I apply for Right to Abode entitlement certificate, it might take a long time. I am worried he will miss out on his school. Is there any way we can get it sooner? Also passport advice helpline haven't been helpful, they initially said take copies of current passport, if they don't accept, apply for the passport from overseas. Now I don't know who to believe. Can I apply for UK passport from overseas, even though we don't live in that country?Yes, you can apply from any UK embassy at your (his) current location. It's very confusing.
That's the complexities I was talking about in my previous post. Not sure there's a passport fast track from abroad. It takes as long as it takes.
I hate to be a party pooper, but your son could be out of the UK for a little while.

Hey everyone I am pleased to inform that I received my son's CoE for ROA today. I am thrilled he can travel back with us to UK next week. I will be applying for British passport subsequently..

Just an info regarding timelines. I gave his biometrics on 29/07/22 from Chennai India.
Passport received by VFS on 18/08/22.

I did involve my MP to write a letter to Home office. Whether that played a part in speeding up the process, I am not entirely sure. I am just happy I received it.

Thanks to everyone who helped out.. 🙏🙏🙏

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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by Ticktack » Fri Aug 19, 2022 9:18 am

drshashi wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 6:48 am
Ticktack wrote:
Tue Jul 19, 2022 9:19 am
drshashi wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 pm
Ticktack wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:44 am
drshashi wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Apparently you can't send your passport via courier. You need permission from Passport office. I'm planning to apply for his UK passport via 1 week fast track. I will be providing certified copies of current passport. I am hoping they accept it. I have his old expired foreign passport. Let's see fingers crossed.
You need current passport as well. Not just the old one.

Hey thanks. I'm facing lot of Anxiety now with this situation. So they refused to take my child's application as the child is not in UK.That's correct, you can't act as a proxy for your son. To make an application here, applicant has to be here! Now if I apply for Right to Abode entitlement certificate, it might take a long time. I am worried he will miss out on his school. Is there any way we can get it sooner? Also passport advice helpline haven't been helpful, they initially said take copies of current passport, if they don't accept, apply for the passport from overseas. Now I don't know who to believe. Can I apply for UK passport from overseas, even though we don't live in that country?Yes, you can apply from any UK embassy at your (his) current location. It's very confusing.
That's the complexities I was talking about in my previous post. Not sure there's a passport fast track from abroad. It takes as long as it takes.
I hate to be a party pooper, but your son could be out of the UK for a little while.

Hey everyone I am pleased to inform that I received my son's CoE for ROA today. I am thrilled he can travel back with us to UK next week. I will be applying for British passport subsequently..

Just an info regarding timelines. I gave his biometrics on 29/07/22 from Chennai India.
Passport received by VFS on 18/08/22.

I did involve my MP to write a letter to Home office. Whether that played a part in speeding up the process, I am not entirely sure. I am just happy I received it.

Thanks to everyone who helped out.. 🙏🙏🙏
Congratulations. Your son gets to resume school back in a couple of weeks.

Also note that upon applying for a British Passport, his CoE for ROA would be cancelled, as he can't have both.
Passport does all the job you need anyways.
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Re: Peculiar situation regarding 1st child passport

Post by drshashi » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:20 am

Yes I will be applying for British passport as soon as we are in the UK .

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