FLR M extension financial category

Huntsgale19 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:17 pm

I can show last 12 months payslips which I don’t have.

Huntsgale19 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:05 am

Thanks for your reply...
What if I continue which category I fall in ?
Even it’s hard for me to do two jobs. But trouble since January my first job salary is cut down to the half due to working hours decreased. Can I mention this on the covering note and submit the second job payslips and continue with the 1st job from now on ?
Really confused don’t know what to do now

geoeng wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:45 am

Per Appendix FM-SE, the requirement for Category B is to provide "payslips covering any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months" and not 12 months worth of payslips. That said, in order to be eligible under Category B, both your total income in the 12 months prior to applying AND gross annual income at the date of application must both meet the financial requirement.

Huntsgale19 wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:27 pm

Thanks all for your help...
Think I should stick on two job till get the visa application sorted as I don’t have any savings etc....
1st job will do as part time and 2nd one full it’s makes around £32000 ..
is that be okay if so then which category I’d choose on the application form as I’ll do myself.

Huntsgale19 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:41 pm

First Job’s lowest monthly earning is £725... is it okay if I choose cat A and don’t mention the 2nd job as I’m about to quit and concentrate on the first job.

Huntsgale19 wrote: ↑

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:41 pm

As both jobs are frontline key workers.
You’re reply and help would be really appreciated.

seagul wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:22 pm

Since you haven't got any choice(alternative) and haven't got 12 months of payslips so the best bet might be to use P60 along with your all available payslips. Usually the P60 shouldnt be attached because in most cases it gives irrelevant/outdated income information but in your case coincidentally you will be applying extension in May and the P60 is usually be issued in April that means it might be helpful for you.

seagul wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:41 pm

geoeng wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:45 am

Per Appendix FM-SE, the requirement for Category B is to provide "payslips covering any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months" and not 12 months worth of payslips. That said, in order to be eligible under Category B, both your total income in the 12 months prior to applying AND gross annual income at the date of application must both meet the financial requirement.

Plenty of refusals can be searched under category B by using the search function where the applicant even missed one payslip.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:58 pm

seagul wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:41 pm

geoeng wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:45 am

Per Appendix FM-SE, the requirement for Category B is to provide "payslips covering any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months" and not 12 months worth of payslips. That said, in order to be eligible under Category B, both your total income in the 12 months prior to applying AND gross annual income at the date of application must both meet the financial requirement.

Plenty of refusals can be searched under category B by using the search function where the applicant even missed one payslip.

Plenty of refusals?? I know someone who appplied with 8 payslips for CAT B salaried and application was successful. As long as those payslips covers those period the OP is relying upon then that should be fine.

I would love to see the link please! Thank you

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:49 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:58 pm

seagul wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:41 pm

geoeng wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:45 am

Per Appendix FM-SE, the requirement for Category B is to provide "payslips covering any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months" and not 12 months worth of payslips. That said, in order to be eligible under Category B, both your total income in the 12 months prior to applying AND gross annual income at the date of application must both meet the financial requirement.

Plenty of refusals can be searched under category B by using the search function where the applicant even missed one payslip.

Plenty of refusals?? I know someone who appplied with 8 payslips for CAT B salaried and application was successful. As long as those payslips covers those period the OP is relying upon then that should be fine.

I would love to see the link please! Thank you

Well if your friend wasn't a board member with his own traceable thread then it would be hard to believe on his experience. I remember one person who met someone on bus stop who shared his experience in achieving the citizenship who when cross checked here than knew that he was wrongly guided.
Without doubt under category B if someone has earned £18600 during the last 12 months then if he can prove it then can meet the criteria with lesser payslips but unfortunately in plenty of cases it actually resulted in refusal because caseworker want to see the required number of payslips. Not everyone applies under category B therefore a deep search is required which must be carried out by someone who actually has curiosity for this. Also there are a lot of areas which aren't fully covered in official guidance rather is only ascertained through personal experiences . For example a weired requirement under category B is to have employer letter from previous employers. Moreover, few members were also refused where caseworker deducted pension from their gross income. There are also instances where you actually have attached the required number of payslips but caseworker couldn't locate one or two then that also led towards refusal.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:05 pm

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:49 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:58 pm

seagul wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:41 pm

Plenty of refusals can be searched under category B by using the search function where the applicant even missed one payslip.

Plenty of refusals?? I know someone who appplied with 8 payslips for CAT B salaried and application was successful. As long as those payslips covers those period the OP is relying upon then that should be fine.

I would love to see the link please! Thank you

Well if your friend wasn't a board member with his own traceable thread then it would be hard to believe on his experience. I remember one person who met someone on bus stop who shared his experience in achieving the citizenship who when cross checked here than knew that he was wrongly guided.
Without doubt under category B if someone has earned £18600 during the last 12 months then if he can prove it then can meet the criteria with lesser payslips but unfortunately in plenty of cases it actually resulted in refusal because caseworker want to see the required number of payslips. Not everyone applies under category B therefore a deep search is required which must be carried out by someone who actually has curiosity for this. Also there are a lot of areas which aren't fully covered in official guidance rather is only ascertained through personal experiences . For example a weired requirement under category B is to have employer letter from previous employers. Moreover, few members were also refused where caseworker deducted pension from their gross income. There are also instances where you actually have attached the required number of payslips but caseworker couldn't locate one or two then that also led towards refusal.

My friend was not registered on any group and it’s a shame we can’t share information where I can provide this information for you to see.

Caseworkers or ECO are meant to follow the guidance laid in the financial requirement of appendix FM and specified evidence.

If you look at those guidance carefully with deep understanding then you will see that the guidance didn’t say 12 months payslips is a MUST!

Appendix FM SE states

ii) “any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months (or at least 6 months but the person does not rely on paragraph 13(a) of this Appendix), or in the financial year(s) relied upon by a self-employed person.“

The guidance here didn’t say 12 months payslips but it clearly emphasis on “any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months” the guidance didn’t mentioned 12 months payslips but payslips covering those period the individual is relying upon.


The financial requirement appendix FM SE gave an example.


Example (c)
The applicant’s partner lives in the UK and is a fashion photographer who does short-term contract work for several agencies. He has periods without work and the amount he is paid varies from job to job. Over the last 12 months he has earned a total of £20,000. In the most recent 6 months his gross earnings are as follows: £3500, £0, £0, £2300, £3400, £500. The application is made on the basis of meeting the financial requirement under Category B non- salaried employment.
Under part (1) of Category B, the applicant’s partner’s current annual employment income = (gross earnings over the last 6 months, divided by 6) multiplied by 12
= ((3500+0+0+2300+3400+500) ÷ 6) x 12
= (9,700 ÷ 6) x 12
= £19,400
Under part (2) of Category B, the applicant’s partner’s actual employment income over last 12 months
= £20,000
So both part (1) and part (2) of Category B are met.“

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Looking at the above example. Assuming you are the individual applying using the same example of the guidance, there’s no way you will be required to provide 12 months payslips except 6 months payslips covering those period of 12 months.

The first example mentioned in the same guidance will require the individual to provide 10 payslips because 3 months from current employer and 7 months from previous employer.

CAT B is a nightmare so in my opinion, guidance is clearly on what is needed to be provided.

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:23 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:05 pm

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:49 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:58 pm

Plenty of refusals?? I know someone who appplied with 8 payslips for CAT B salaried and application was successful. As long as those payslips covers those period the OP is relying upon then that should be fine.

I would love to see the link please! Thank you

Well if your friend wasn't a board member with his own traceable thread then it would be hard to believe on his experience. I remember one person who met someone on bus stop who shared his experience in achieving the citizenship who when cross checked here than knew that he was wrongly guided.
Without doubt under category B if someone has earned £18600 during the last 12 months then if he can prove it then can meet the criteria with lesser payslips but unfortunately in plenty of cases it actually resulted in refusal because caseworker want to see the required number of payslips. Not everyone applies under category B therefore a deep search is required which must be carried out by someone who actually has curiosity for this. Also there are a lot of areas which aren't fully covered in official guidance rather is only ascertained through personal experiences . For example a weired requirement under category B is to have employer letter from previous employers. Moreover, few members were also refused where caseworker deducted pension from their gross income. There are also instances where you actually have attached the required number of payslips but caseworker couldn't locate one or two then that also led towards refusal.

My friend was not registered on any group and it’s a shame we can’t share information where I can provide this information for you to see.

Caseworkers or ECO are meant to follow the guidance laid in the financial requirement of appendix FM and specified evidence.

If you look at those guidance carefully with deep understanding then you will see that the guidance didn’t say 12 months payslips is a MUST!

Appendix FM SE states

ii) “any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months prior to the date of application if the person has been employed by their current employer for less than 6 months (or at least 6 months but the person does not rely on paragraph 13(a) of this Appendix), or in the financial year(s) relied upon by a self-employed person.“

The guidance here didn’t say 12 months payslips but it clearly emphasis on “any period of salaried employment in the period of 12 months” the guidance didn’t mentioned 12 months payslips but payslips covering those period the individual is relying upon.


The financial requirement appendix FM SE gave an example.


Example (c)
The applicant’s partner lives in the UK and is a fashion photographer who does short-term contract work for several agencies. He has periods without work and the amount he is paid varies from job to job. Over the last 12 months he has earned a total of £20,000. In the most recent 6 months his gross earnings are as follows: £3500, £0, £0, £2300, £3400, £500. The application is made on the basis of meeting the financial requirement under Category B non- salaried employment.
Under part (1) of Category B, the applicant’s partner’s current annual employment income = (gross earnings over the last 6 months, divided by 6) multiplied by 12
= ((3500+0+0+2300+3400+500) ÷ 6) x 12
= (9,700 ÷ 6) x 12
= £19,400
Under part (2) of Category B, the applicant’s partner’s actual employment income over last 12 months
= £20,000
So both part (1) and part (2) of Category B are met.“

Page 28

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... -ext_1.pdf


Looking at the above example. Assuming you are the individual applying using the same example of the guidance, there’s no way you will be required to provide 12 months payslips except 6 months payslips covering those period of 12 months.

The first example mentioned in the same guidance will require the individual to provide 10 payslips because 3 months from current employer and 7 months from previous employer.

CAT B is a nightmare so in my opinion, guidance is clearly on what is needed to be provided.

One thing I guess you aren't picking is that even you haven't earned anything during a certain month/week probably due to taking unpaid leave or on zero hour & company have no work but still the payroll system will generate the payslip for that period. Also remember that meeting the criteria under category B through salaried employment involve slightly lesser documents such payslips in contrast of where you are relying on annualized average income through none-salaried person route as is in your quoted example.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:43 pm

Under CAT B, if you are not in employment for certain period then it is not
Mandatory to provide payslip for that period because gap is expected under CAT B hence the guidance is asking for income received in those period of 12 months if it will be equal to £18,600.

I am also aware that, some employers do issue payslips for period of unpaid leave etc. The key here is to ensure the individual has received income covering those period mentioned by the guidance.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:43 pm

I’m sorry but there’s no difference between applying under CAT B salaried or Non salaried except the way both of them are calculated at the date of the application and same evidence is required as mentioned in appendix FM SE.

5.3.7. The only difference in Category B between salaried and non-salaried employment is how
gross annual salary or employment income at the date of application is calculated:
Where the person is in salaried employment – the level of gross annual salary will be
as at the date of application. This must be evidenced by the latest payslip or the signed
contract of employment (if a payslip does not provide this information).

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:06 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:43 pm

Under CAT B, if you are not in employment for certain period then it is not
Mandatory to provide payslip for that period because gap is expected under CAT B hence the guidance is asking for income received in those period of 12 months if it will be equal to £18,600.

I am also aware that, some employers do issue payslips for period of unpaid leave etc. The key here is to ensure the individual has received income covering those period mentioned by the guidance.

Also do not forget that category B is not just for those who have been working for their employer from less than 6 months rather anyone even under category A can voluntarily chooses to use category B instead especially where they have been earning variable income or have lowest wage figure during the last 6 months then this route is an escape.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:43 pm

I’m sorry but there’s no difference between applying under CAT B salaried or Non salaried except the way both of them are calculated at the date of the application and same evidence is required as mentioned in appendix FM SE.

I m afraid but you are wrong because salaried employment just can only be proved with contract letter on the date of application in contrary of providing previous six months payslips. See following official quote:

5.3.7. The only difference in Category B between salaried and non-salaried employment is how
gross annual salary or employment income at the date of application is calculated:
Where the person is in salaried employment – the level of gross annual salary will be
as at the date of application. This must be evidenced by the latest payslip or the signed
contract of employment (if a payslip does not provide this information).

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm

we know employment contract is NOT mandatory and majority of applicants I have come across use first payslip to meet the income requirement under CAT B salaried. This is my own view.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm

The fact still remain brother that, YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT PAYSLIPS REQUIRED under CAT B. Provide me one single evidence in the appendix FM SE where it states you need 12 months payslips If you have been less than 6 months or on a variable income?

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:44 pm

zero

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:44 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm

we know employment contract is NOT mandatory and majority of applicants I have come across use first payslip to meet the income requirement under CAT B salaried. This is my own view.

How about if you have to apply in Apr/May by using the last (latest) payslip then you will find your previously accumulated income as zero because of the arrival of new financial year. Then either using the employer letter or contract will be the only option.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm

The fact still remain brother that, YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT PAYSLIPS REQUIRED under CAT B. Provide me one single evidence in the appendix FM SE where it states you need 12 months payslips If you have been less than 6 months or on a variable income?

You have already been repeatedly briefed that ap

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:44 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm

we know employment contract is NOT mandatory and majority of applicants I have come across use first payslip to meet the income requirement under CAT B salaried. This is my own view.

How about if you have to apply in Apr/May by using the last (latest) payslip then you will find your previously accumulated income as zero because of the arrival of new financial year. Then either using the employer letter or contract will be the only option.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:22 pm

The fact still remain brother that, YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT PAYSLIPS REQUIRED under CAT B. Provide me one single evidence in the appendix FM SE where it states you need 12 months payslips If you have been less than 6 months or on a variable income?

You have already been repeatedly briefed that £18600 of income during the last 12 months can be proved with lesser payslips but many things come to surface through members experience. And probably according to some caseworkers the whole period of 12 months must be covered with continuous amount of payslips.

£18600 of income during the last 12 months can be proved with lesser payslips but many things come to surface through members experience. And probably according to some caseworkers the whole period of 12 months must be covered with continuous amount of payslips.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:58 pm

Again it would depend on individual circumstances as if you started within April/May, you might want to wait till when you receive your first payslip or if you are paid middle of the month for example started working April 15 and company usually paid employee every middle of the month so next pay date will be May 15 and in that case, a recent payslip can still be used.

seagul wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:57 pm

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:58 pm

Again it would depend on individual circumstances as if you started within April/May, you might want to wait till when you receive your first payslip or if you are paid middle of the month for example started working April 15 and company usually paid employee every middle of the month so next pay date will be May 15 and in that case, a recent payslip can still be used.

What individual circumstances as the financial year is same for every paye worker despite having only the pay days different.
First payslip itself where you have recently started won't show your annual contractual income on the day of application in comparison of contract/employer letter. On the other hand if you have already been working and now you are applying than of course your payslip will give the information about your gross wages in the form of accumulation which will reset to zero by the end of March and from April onward it won't show the required gross income (same as said earlier). Which means you will need job contract/employer letter.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:59 pm

if the individual started working in April 15 but paid at the end of the April 30 then in this case we can assume it might make sense to use employment contract.

TODMATT wrote: ↑

Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:59 pm

how a payslip can be used. If you started working in April 15 and you are paid every middle of the month which means that payslip covering those period of April/May can easily be used towards meeting the requirement as the income received will use at the date of the application.