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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by contorted_svy » Sat Jan 18, 2025 10:44 pm

Just use the text in section 7 as a template and write a word document, or similar.

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:02 am

Hi,
The marriage certificate (from UK) - can it be an old one or latest extract is needed ?
For foreign country issued birth certificates for kids - is a translation sufficient? or some form of legalization is necessary?
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by contorted_svy » Wed Feb 05, 2025 5:21 am

A UK marriage certificate is enough as far as it is legible. If not ask for a replacement.
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:16 pm

Hi,
I am quite keen on keeping all documentation beyond doubt to the best i can. A new issue that has cropped up is that one of my referees has their passport expiring on March 10 while i intend to apply on March 15. Does that create a complication and could that delay the application?? I am not sure this referee will even be applying for a new passport.

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:17 pm

In lieu of that another option is to use another referee who is a British national but resident overseas. Will that work? The second referee is a designated profession worker and a british national.

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by contorted_svy » Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:25 pm

Yes, you can choose someone who is British and lives overseas. Is the professional refree working in the UK, just out of curiosity? an expired British passport for a referee would not be necessarily an issue, if would just potentially take a bit longer for the HO to check their identity.
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:42 pm

contorted_svy wrote:
Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:25 pm
Yes, you can choose someone who is British and lives overseas. Is the professional refree working in the UK, just out of curiosity? an expired British passport for a referee would not be necessarily an issue, if would just potentially take a bit longer for the HO to check their identity.
yes working in UK , director of a VAT registered company.

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 8:56 pm

Another question - the MN1 form for minors under 18 - when applying online with the parent it does not ask for the travel records of the minors, only the adult parent. The paper form does ask for it (as far as i understand) - are travel records of minors needed or not?

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by contorted_svy » Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:34 pm

Absences should not be needed for minors. What section of the MN1 application asks for that?
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by alterhase58 » Tue Feb 11, 2025 9:52 pm

Absences are not required to be disclosed for minors. Stay with the online application.
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:19 pm

Hi, In the naturalization form there is a question
"Have you made any previous UK immigration applications in the UK or abroad?"

Is this referring to settlement like application to come/live in UK or business/tourist visas are included as well?

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by alterhase58 » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:25 pm

Only for work and settlement visas, not visitor visas.
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Sat Mar 22, 2025 2:57 pm

For application of passport post naturalization - EUSS applicant background - I assumed the below
- Naturalization certificate
- passport with which entered country -> New passport as older one expired and consulate took it back -> So current passport i assume
- Referee / counter signatory + Photos

non EEA spouse/EUSS kids - do they need to provide additional documentation?
all supporting EUSS documentation showing relationship, maintenance of conditions during 5 years etc needed?

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by CR001 » Sat Mar 22, 2025 3:34 pm

non EEA spouse/EUSS kids - do they need to provide additional documentation?
all supporting EUSS documentation showing relationship, maintenance of conditions during 5 years etc needed?
None of this is required for a passport application!!!
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Fri Mar 28, 2025 4:45 pm

1./ Making UK a long term home - does it in reality imply to doing so immediately or in long term.

If someone acquires a citizenship and then leaves the country - is this something that can cause passport to be revoked.

If they discover that active plans were underway to leave - while application was being made - does that create a risk down the line?

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by contorted_svy » Fri Mar 28, 2025 9:20 pm

Once you have your UK passport you are OK to leave the country.
What kind of plans are you making? Have you read in full the future intentions requirement?
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:25 am

The plans involve
- having a resident permit of another country (doesn' t have a long residency requirement so no commitment per se) - even before submitting application - private information.
- spending a lot of time abroad in third countries after submitting applications
- filing as non resident - hence no tax for 2025/26
- moving out pretty much immediately after getting passport

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by contorted_svy » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:35 am

Do you have a job abroad? How many days of absence overall and in the last year? Do you own property abroad?
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:44 am

For example passport received May 15, 2025. When filing taxes to HMRC - ask for a split year from May 15/2025 or claim non resident for entire 2025 - 26 tax year as there was a pattern of being non resident since April.
Someone could easily say this was all pre-established intent.
kids not re-enrolled for next year.
home rental contract ends on May 1.

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Sat Mar 29, 2025 2:31 pm

contorted_svy wrote:
Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:35 am
Do you have a job abroad? How many days of absence overall and in the last year? Do you own property abroad?
No property abroad. No job abroad yet but self employed in a global and remote business so i can switch anytime to any location. 60 days absence last year 300 in last 5 years.

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by contorted_svy » Sat Mar 29, 2025 6:48 pm

From https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... bookmark52
Future intentions requirement
This section tells you about the future intentions requirement for those applying for naturalisation under section 6(1).

The main purpose of the requirement is that those wishing to be naturalised as British citizens should not already have decided, or intend, to break their links with the UK. The clearest indicator of this will be past behaviour. If that suggests that the requirement is met, and there is no reason to think this will not continue, the applicant’s statement about future intentions may be taken at face value.

A person must intend, if naturalised, to either:

have their principal home in the UK

enter into, or continue in either:

Crown service under the government of the UK

an international organisation of which the UK or HM Government is a member

a company or association established in the UK

Principal home in the UK
If applicants say their intention is to have their principal home in the UK, you should accept that they meet the requirement if they:

meet the residence requirements, without the need to exercise any discretion over excess absences other than up to 30 days

have an established home here

have been, or intend to be, absent from the UK for not more than 6 months

the absence was, or will be, clearly temporary

if it is an intended absence, we are satisfied they intend to return to the UK

they have maintained an established home here where any close family who have not accompanied them abroad have continued to live

there is no information to cast doubt on their intention, for example, either:

a partner who is or intends to live outside of the UK

a recent absence from the UK for a period of 6 months or more


Where it is proposed to exercise discretion to waive excess absences, you must be satisfied that the applicant has an established residence, family and a substantial proportion of any estate here. You should normally accept that situation will continue, and that the future intentions requirement has therefore been met, unless you have information that, since the date of the application, the applicant or their partner no longer has an established residence here or is planning to move abroad.

Where it is not certain that a residence has been established you must make enquiries to see whether there is evidence of a principal residence outside this country including whether the:

applicant or their partner owns property abroad

applicant’s family live abroad, either in the family home or elsewhere

Where there is such evidence, or your doubts cannot be resolved satisfactorily, you must refuse the application.

Information may also come to our attention that HMRC regard an applicant as domiciled abroad for tax purposes. In such cases, you must request the applicant’s permission to contact the HMRC. You should then ask the HMRC to provide us with a copy of the applicant’s completed ‘Domicile Enquiry’ questionnaire, which may throw some light on future intentions. If the applicant refuses permission, you must refuse the application.

The fact that an applicant’s spouse or partner is not applying for citizenship should not, of itself, be taken as evidence that the requirement is not met. In such a case, however, you should make enquiries of the applicant - whether the spouse or partner is resident abroad or whether there is any evidence that the spouse or partner intends to move abroad. The fact that a spouse or partner is living, or will shortly be living, abroad should not normally be taken as evidence that the requirement is not met if any of the following apply:

the couple are separated

the spouse or partner has applied for, and is awaiting, an entry clearance

you are otherwise satisfied that the spouse or partner intends to join the applicant here

it is clear the couple are content to live apart for the foreseeable future

If none of these reasons apply, and the information suggests that any applicant maintains, or intends shortly to maintain, their principal residence abroad, spends substantial periods with their spouse or partner and children abroad, the application should normally be refused.

Applicant intends to live outside the UK
If applicants make it clear that, while they intend to live in the UK for a period, they have made firm plans to establish their principal home abroad at some future date the application must be refused. You must not refuse an application solely on the suspicion that the applicant will reside outside of the UK.

If the applicant is abroad or is about to go abroad for a continuous period of more than 6 months, you should normally refuse the application and advise the applicant to re-apply, on their return to the UK, for permanent residence. An exception may be made to the general rule, however, where any of the following apply:

the applicant is undertaking voluntary work such as with the Voluntary Service Overseas (VSO)

the applicant is undertaking studies, training, or employment abroad which is necessary to pursue a UK based profession, vocation or occupation

the absence forms part of an established pattern, such as in relation to employment at sea and the applicant is primarily based in the UK

Where an applicant has more than one home and their principal home is outside of the UK at the time of application you must refuse the application.
From what you have said so far I think you should be fine. Why do you say you are getting a British passport on the 15 May? Have you applied yet?
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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by zafran1 » Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:27 pm

Just an assumed timeline. On another note after biometrics -
"Your application will now be sent to UK Visas & Immigration (UKVI) for consideration.

What happens next:

UKVI will confirm receipt of your application."
- i did not receive any confirmation after biometrics. Is that normal?

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Re: Travel constraints during application

Post by alterhase58 » Sat Apr 05, 2025 9:31 pm

It's hit and miss ... some get confirmation immediately, others after a few weeks, and others never.
They have your application already, and of course your payment.
I wouldn't stress too much about it.
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