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*** COVID19 Tier 1E impact and Government support *** Discuss here ONLY

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*** COVID19 Tier 1E impact and Government support *** Discuss here ONLY

Post by pokekap07 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:14 pm

Hi Moderators,
Most businesses from next week looks to shut down temporarily (mine including). :shock: :oops:
Would I be able to claim 80% of wages for my employees and put in the remaining 20% from now on?
I have a shop in Camden (which already closed until further notice) so one of my employees is already on a paid leave.
My other employee (warehouse staff) will not be coming in from next week. Hence, this will have to be paid leave too.

If I do the above mentioned will it have any negative impact on my visa?

I understand this is a business-related matter and maybe not immigration but rti/fps could get affected depending on how the government chooses to cover the wage costs.

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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by Ali0383 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:03 pm

Hi
Same here one employer is diabetic working from home and 2and employer she is pregnant I really dont understand what to do cant fire these people and my most of the Clients are European really dont know what to do.

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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by Mohammad1234 » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:19 pm

Guyz I'm at the same situation, I decide at least for a month I will pay them not to affect my visa situation. Let's see what will be annouced from the Home office next few days or weeks.

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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by marcnath » Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:20 pm

These are unlikely to have any impact on your visa requirements as long as you do not have to lay the employees off.

The requirements are very clear - two jobs of 30 hrs/week each.

The immigration rules only requires you to then pay as per the national rules - there is no specified minimum. So as long as you are following the instructions, it does not matter what amount the payslips/fps says as long as it still shows 30 hrs/week
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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by zamaha » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:23 am

Dear Monarch
My business has been closed due to that now. So no work! I still have employees but the office is closed now?

If I claim the help from government to pay 80% of my employees is this me claiming or the business?
As my husband and I are also both employees are the company (with two other people), if business is the one who claims for the wages, can the business also pay us our wages like the other two?

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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by zamaha » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:24 am

When the office is closed so how I can show 30 hours job?

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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by marcnath » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:43 am

zamaha wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:24 am
When the office is closed so how I can show 30 hours job?
It is the specification of the job. The JOB does not change when someone goes on holiday or falls sick or get stuck in traffic. I can't see that these forced closures are any different - the JOB Is still 30 hrs but it just can't be done due to other reasons. When you file RTI, you will still be filing it as a FT job.
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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by zamaha » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:10 am

Thank you dear.
Could you please answer my second question asked above as well?
Many thanks

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Claim 80% of employee wages. Is it ok?

Post by zamaha » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am

hi dear
As I did not want to tag my questions under others’ posts, I started new topic?
Regarding the gov cover 80% of employees’ wages, as my office has been shut due to that, I am in a difficult situation. I will appreciate your help.


My employees are on hourly pay payroll? How should I claim for them?

Can I (on behalf of the company) claim 80% of my husband’s wages as he is working in the company and is on payroll for couple of years now as well?

Can I get my 80% as the director and employee?

Is it consider a public fund or it is an emergency fund for employees and nothing like universal credit? The office is closed so basically no cashflow and I am in 3rd year of my visa. All required money and a lot more has been invested already.


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Re: Claim 80% of employee wages. Is it ok?

Post by Zimba » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:55 pm

I expect these queries dominate the forum from now. Having multiple topics on this is pointless, so all discussions will be restricted to this thread only.
zamaha wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am
hi dear
As I did not want to tag my questions under others’ posts, I started new topic?
Regarding the gov cover 80% of employees’ wages, as my office has been shut due to that, I am in a difficult situation. I will appreciate your help.


My employees are on hourly pay payroll? How should I claim for them?

Can I (on behalf of the company) claim 80% of my husband’s wages as he is working in the company and is on payroll for couple of years now as well?

Can I get my 80% as the director and employee?

Is it consider a public fund or it is an emergency fund for employees and nothing like universal credit? The office is closed so basically no cashflow and I am in 3rd year of my visa. All required money and a lot more has been invested already.


Many thanks

This is not the place to seek help on what and how you can claim the government bailout (this is not technically public money or universal credit, assume this as a government loan), so please seek help and advice from other sources on how to claim. This is an immigration forum :!:

I expect this to have little influence on your immigration affairs in general. Assume this as a government loan. Under the rules for Tier 1E, your wages cannot come from your own investments.
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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by Zimba » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:10 pm

This government bailout (loan, relief, whatever..) is a business relief that covers 80% of employee wages. You may be able to claim this for your business even as a Tier 1E migrant. This is not public funds as we know it. UKVI may clarify this in the future.

However Tier 1E migrants have NEVER been eligible to claim individual/personal reliefs (considered public funds) like Jobseeker's Allowance and low income benefits, universal credit, child benefit, tax credits, etc. You personally CANNOT claim these so that restriction remains the same.

https://www.businesssupport.gov.uk/
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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by zamaha » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:21 pm

Thank you dear Zimba
So, can or cannot I claim the 80% of our wages through the new system? Me and my husband are both employees of the company that I am director on tier 1 visa and dependant visa.
It is not clear for me, is it consider public fund or it is a business matter where a business per se get supports from gov and pay for employees regardless of their immigration status? We are not applying any other specific public funds mentioned.
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Post by Zimba » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:28 pm

zamaha wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:21 pm
Thank you dear Zimba
So, can or cannot I claim the 80% of our wages through the new system? Me and my husband are both employees of the company that I am director on tier 1 visa and dependant visa.
It is not clear for me, is it consider public fund or it is a business matter where a business per se get supports from gov and pay for employees regardless of their immigration status? We are not applying any other specific public funds mentioned.
Thank you
This is NOT a personal relief. Immigration status of an employee should not be a concern as long as they are allowed to work in the UK. Whether directors on payroll can claim their wages is a different question. Again, seek help from the government on how to claim.
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is 'Self-employment Income Support Scheme' considered public fund?

Post by shohjura » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:32 pm

Hi guys,
Hope everyone is well.
I am on a Tier 1 Entrepreneur visa and due to apply for indefinite in October this year. My question-is the new launched 'Self-employment Income Support Scheme' considered public fund? This question is for myself

How about getting salary through 'Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme'-is this considered public fund?-this is for my brother on a student visa (20hrs) and for my friend on Turkish Employed leave to remain who both get salaries and considering getting paid through this scheme

Thanks!

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Re: is 'Self-employment Income Support Scheme' considered public fund?

Post by Zimba » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:35 am

I am on a Tier 1 Entrepreneur visa and due to apply for indefinite in October this year. My question-is the new launched 'Self-employment Income Support Scheme' considered public fund? This question is for myself
HMRC will determine eligibility on their own for the self employment support scheme :!:
https://www.businesssupport.gov.uk/self ... rt-scheme/
How about getting salary through 'Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme'-is this considered public fund?-this is for my brother on a student visa (20hrs) and for my friend on Turkish Employed leave to remain who both get salaries and considering getting paid through this scheme
See above
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Post by shohjura » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:46 am

Hey Zimba,
Thanks for your reply to this-HMRC will determine eligibility on their own for the self employment support scheme :!:
https://www.businesssupport.gov.uk/self ... rt-scheme/

So, I work as self employed for my consultancy business and I think I will be eligible judging from their criteria, but will this be considered as accessing public funds as the name of the scheme is called income support which is a public fund according to this list and I am not sure if HMRC officer will ask about my visa status at all-they don't ask for it when registering for self assessment for the record
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... blic-funds

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Re: Impact Due to Conorovirus- Government Backing

Post by Zimba » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:07 am

shohjura wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:46 am
Hey Zimba,
Thanks for your reply to this-HMRC will determine eligibility on their own for the self employment support scheme :!:
https://www.businesssupport.gov.uk/self ... rt-scheme/

So, I work as self employed for my consultancy business and I think I will be eligible judging from their criteria, but will this be considered as accessing public funds as the name of the scheme is called income support which is a public fund according to this list and I am not sure if HMRC officer will ask about my visa status at all-they don't ask for it when registering for self assessment for the record
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... blic-funds

Many thanks
Are you registered as self employed with HMRC ?? Bear in mind that company directors are NOT considered self employed :!: :!:
UKVI has not clarified if the government help scheme is considered public funds. I've contacted the UKVI to get some clarification on this. Stay tuned
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Re: Impact Due to COVID19 and Government support ***Discuss here ONLY***

Post by shohjura » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:15 am

Are you registered as self employed with HMRC ?? Bear in mind that company directors are NOT considered self employed->it says 'You can work for your business, including being self-employed or Director of a company'

I have 2 businesses-1 where I am a director and don't take any salary/dividends etc and another consultancy business where I am registered as self employed and pay taxes on that basis

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Re: *** COVID19 and Government support *** Discuss here ONLY

Post by mig2015 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:06 pm

Hi

For those in receipt of Small Business Rates Relief, there is a Business Support Grant of a £10,000, made available by government though local councils. This basically is available to businesses that qualify for Small Business Rates Relief (SBRR).
My business has received a letter from local council, which says this business is eligible to this grant, so they are asking details of business and also the person who replies to this letter. I'm post-extension pre-ILR Tier 1 E and I'm wondering if claiming this business support grant is deemed as recourse to public funds or not.

I would appreciate if respected gurus can shed some light on this matter too

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Re: *** COVID19 and Government support *** Discuss here ONLY

Post by Zimba » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:25 pm

mig2015 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:06 pm
Hi

For those in receipt of Small Business Rates Relief, there is a Business Support Grant of a £10,000, made available by government though local councils. This basically is available to businesses that qualify for Small Business Rates Relief (SBRR).
My business has received a letter from local council, which says this business is eligible to this grant, so they are asking details of business and also the person who replies to this letter. I'm post-extension pre-ILR Tier 1 E and I'm wondering if claiming this business support grant is deemed as recourse to public funds or not.

I would appreciate if respected gurus can shed some light on this matter too
We do not know as repeated several times now. I've contacted UKVI on this but have not got a response for now.
Also I would like to remind you that many of these loans may not be granted to all businesses by lenders. If you did not have a good business to begin with before the whole pandemic started, a lender may not agree to lend you money. Many lenders understand that there will be quite a bit of abuse of current circumstances by poorly performing businesses to get a nice payout BUT there is no chance for them paying it back in the future. Just wanted to point this out here as it seems many have failed to read the small print on these loan/help offers.
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