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Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:57 pm
by bobcat
Hello all,
Been reading many posts on ‘no surname’ matter for Indian nationals. Some posts were older than a decade so thought I’ll checkin to see if any one had any recent experiences which they’ll be willing to share. I’m yet to apply to naturalise (eligible soon) but I’m not keen to update my current Indian passport due to planned travel. Will the below option still work in 2024?
1. Apply to naturalise based on current format of name
2. If approved, get the certificate based on current name
3. Apply passport which will have xxx as given name and my current name as surname.
4. Surrender my Indian passport
5. Correct the order of my name by a deed poll (is the unenrolled deed poll?)
6. Reapply passport with deed poll and other supports as requested
7. Apply OCI with corrected passport
8. OCI name will be as per corrected passport
Sorry if this is repetitive question and keen to hear what the timescales were from points 5 to 8 above. Any downfalls to beware of?
Thanks in advance!
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:16 pm
by BashirB
Tatkal will get you your passport in 3 days now. Did you consider going down that route?
Once you factor in the cost of deed poll, time etc, Tatkal fees start looking reasonable.
Also be aware that when you go to apply for OCI, they will ask for naturalisation certificate or UK passport in addition to surrender certificate. There have been instances when OCI has been delayed because of name discrepancy. Note that in Indian passport, surrender certificate, Renunciation certificate and other docs, they will have your old name format. The deed poll in UK does not automatically change your name in Indian paperwork system.
So essentially, you will be applying for OCI in a name format that never existed in Indian records and the additional checks/docs they will ask will take more time than what you are going to save now.
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2024 10:24 pm
by MuhammadM86
I don’t see why this plan wouldn’t work.
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:28 pm
by Rj2023
I was also in similar situation (Surname was blank). I have now received by UK passport and currently going through my passport surrender application. I have followed as below and would suggest same to you.
1. Apply to naturalisation based on your current name in Indian passport.
2. Once this is approved, you will get the certificate as per current name
3. Apply for Surrender of your Indian passport online. Print the online Surrender application, paste your picture and sign both under picture and at the end of application form. Send a copy of this application as evidence for UK passport. Also you can apply for renoucing at the same time, but I didn't send that with UK passport application.
4. Correct your name by a deed poll (unenrolled deed poll is good enough with anyone signing for witnessing)
5. Apply for UK passport in correct given name and surname along with these supporting documents (Cover letter explaining name issue, Indian passport, Surrender Indian passport application form, deed poll, address proof)
6. Book appointment for Cancellation of Indian passport and renouncing your Indian Citizenship
7. Apply for OCI in correct name with UK passport
You don't need to apply for UK passport twice for name correction with above approach.
It's better to surrender Indian passport first, just with Naturalisation Certificate. And then send cancelled Indian passport as proof with UK passport application.
Actually I didn't surrender my Indian passort first, and was asked for the evidence to get UK passport in new name even with deed poll. For evidence, I followed above Step 3. No need to correct Naturalisation Certificate or any other document for name.
All the best!
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 12:42 am
by Vini1981
Rj2023 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2024 8:28 pm
I was also in similar situation (Surname was blank). I have now received by UK passport and currently going through my passport surrender application. I have followed as below and would suggest same to you.
1. Apply to naturalisation based on your current name in Indian passport.
2. Once this is approved, you will get the certificate as per current name
3. Apply for Surrender of your Indian passport online. Print the online Surrender application, paste your picture and sign both under picture and at the end of application form. Send a copy of this application as evidence for UK passport. Also you can apply for renoucing at the same time, but I didn't send that with UK passport application.
4. Correct your name by a deed poll (unenrolled deed poll is good enough with anyone signing for witnessing)
5. Apply for UK passport in correct given name and surname along with these supporting documents (Cover letter explaining name issue, Indian passport, Surrender Indian passport application form, deed poll, address proof)
6. Book appointment for Cancellation of Indian passport and renouncing your Indian Citizenship
7. Apply for OCI in correct name with UK passport
You don't need to apply for UK passport twice for name correction with above approach.
It's better to surrender Indian passport first, just with Naturalisation Certificate. And then send cancelled Indian passport as proof with UK passport application.
Actually I didn't surrender my Indian passort first, and was asked for the evidence to get UK passport in new name even with deed poll. For evidence, I followed above Step 3. No need to correct Naturalisation Certificate or any other document for name.
All the best!
Thank you. Not sure I understood.
1. Do you mean you received your naturalization certificate with no surname? I received mine with an *last name*first name
2. And then you submitted the British citizenship application form and submitted your current Indian passport with your naturalization certificate and then you submitted the surrender certificate as proof you were renouncing Indian citizenship when queried.
3. And then you received your British passport with Surname as your Last Name?
Sorry for asking you to explain a bit further but I just went through my naturalization without realising that I had to change my surname in my existing passport and now am figuring out how to get it resolved.
Regards
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 10:32 am
by Rj2023
Hello, See below to answer your queries-
1. My Last name was blank on Indian passport, hence I got my Naturalisation Certificate with *First Name* only, but as last name on Naturalisation Certificate. Name on Indian passport matters, as that will go on UK passport. You don't need to change name on your Naturalisation Certificate.
2. I didn't submit my Surrender Certificate. I thought I could change name via Deed poll only as Indian doesn't allow dual citizenship. But HMP didn't allow and asked for evidence of Indian passport cancellation. So, I have to sent my online printed Surrender application form. So, you have to send some proof that you have been surrendering your passport.
3. You will get same name on UK passport as per your Deed poll . I used my middle name as Surname on first UK passport via deed poll. If I didn't use deed poll, then they would have put XXX for Surname.
Hope this clarifies...
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2024 8:01 pm
by bobcat
Thanks for sharing your experience. Few questions please:
1. When you applied to surrender the Indian passport, was that just the application form that was sent to HMP i.e. you still had the physical Indian passport with you? I am just trying to work out if I will be passportless at any given time?
2. What your timeline from getting naturalisation certificate till you got your BP?
3. Do you know if the unenrolled deedpoll is also required to apply for OCI? I read the HCI guidance that if your name as per last held Indian passport is diff then the foreign passport you need to submit proof of name change. Do you know if unenrolled deedpoll is acceptable?
Many thanks in advance!
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 12:11 am
by Rj2023
See below my reponse to your queries-
1. Yes, it was just Surrender passport application sent to HMPO. It does look like official document with unique barcode and High commission header. You do have to send your Indian passport to HMPO for UK passport application.
2. It was 3 weeks including weekends from Citizenship ceremonry to UK Passport delivery. 2-3 days for deed poll. I didn't send Surrender application form in place which did add 3-4 days, otherwise it wouldn't take more than 6-7 days.
3. I did only unenrolled deedpoll. I am in process of surrendering my Indian passport in next 1-2 weeks. I don't think Surrender & renounciation applications require any deedpoll, but I will carry just in case required at the appointment. In both applications, you have to enter your old name only, there is no place to put your new name. Deedpoll may be required for OCI application.
Hope this helps!
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:07 pm
by bobcat
Very helpful, thank you!
Helpful if you could post update in the OCI forum on whether unenrolled deedpoll worked for OCI application after you get OCI with name as per BP.
Thanks again!
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Wed May 22, 2024 6:05 pm
by bobcat
Got my Bp today and the above steps definitely worked. To summarise for others:
1. Get your naturalisation cert
2. Submit an application to surrender Indian passport on same date as naturalisation date. You will get a PDF of application form with a barcode. Affix your photo and sign as indicated
3. Execute an unenrolled deed poll following day to re-arrange the names as desired. Imp to not execute it before step 2.
4. Apply for BP in the desired name and add a cover note explaining your situation. Enclose the surrender form and deed poll together with the mandatory documents (usually naturalisation cert and Indian passport)
Thanks
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 3:17 pm
by cosseeker1
Hello Bobcat,
I saw your naturalisation application got approved in the timelines thread and I just wanted to ask about the language requirement as I have the same path as you (tier 2 then ILR). Did you end up using your old IELTS from when you applied for the first tier 2? and in this case, what did you have as answers to the language requirement related questions? Thanks a lot
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 3:29 pm
by bobcat
1. Yes used the same IELTS certificate that I used in my first tier 2 application and all subsequent immigration applications
2. Here is how I responded based on my situation
Degree taught in English - No
Passed an approved Eng language test - yes
Test equivalent to CEFR B1 or higher - yes for me
How did you get your result - certificate
Have you provided evidence in previous application - yes
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Wed May 29, 2024 3:34 pm
by cosseeker1
Thank you so much, this is exactly what I was looking for
Re: Naturalisation application - planning ahead - no surname on Indian passport
Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 3:16 pm
by lifelonger
bobcat wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 6:05 pm
3. Execute an unenrolled deed poll following day to re-arrange the names as desired. Imp to not execute it before step 2.
Can I execute the deed poll on the same day as surrender application?